A Friday Night Perspective On Islam

Good Evening Members,

 

Recently, we have had several members, (Well.....Really only one, Tom For News)  accuse me of being an "Islamophobe",  (as well as being a Homophobe, a Wingnut, and God only knows what other accusations have been tossed my way!! <Grin>!!)  We also witnessed Joy "I Am The Epitome Of A Moonbat"  Behar, and Whoopie "Guinan Not A Jew"  Goldberg walk off the set of the television show, "The View" yesterday, when political pundit Bill O'Reilly stated that it was Muslims who blew up the World Trade Towers in New York City on September 11, 2001.  Because of these recent events, I choose to respond.  

 

I don't think I am an Islamophobe.  I'll let you, the members who choose to read this epistle determine whether you believe I am an Islamophobe....Or not.

   

There has been a lot of discussion about, "Fundamentalist Muslims";  as compared to so-called, "Moderate Muslims".  We have seen for instance, how "Moderate Muslims" lived a fairly western lifestyle, and many of us recall the peaceful Islamic culture in the Nation-State formerly known as Yugoslavia, and in other parts of Eastern Europe. 

 

Today, if you were to visit that region, e.g.; Kosovo, Albania, Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Republica Srpska; and see the ethnic cleansing.....Not the ethnic cleansing purportedly by Slobodan Milosevic and the Serbs, but by fellow Muslims, those that are both Sunni and Shia;  I surmise that folks like Joy Behar and Whoopi would be shocked!   

 

The divergence, is exactly what I have been espousing here in PoliticalForum:  That what many term, "Fundamentalists" or "radical" Islamists, (I hate the term, "Islamo-Fascists"; I think the term is an oxymoron)  but my point being, is that those that are more "orthodox" Muslims, or "Fundamentalist Muslims" are in fact killing those Muslims who have adopted what many perceive as a "moderate", western way of life.    
 
 Many "Liberals";  or those who are not well informed on the all encompassing aspects of Islam, tend to blame the United States  and Western Culture in general,  for "oppressing" Muslims, forcing the Islamic faithful to take extreme action to defend their cultures and beliefs from "Western imperialism".   This is really far from true, and I will try and demonstrate as succinctly as possible.

Islam's roots are well documented, originating with a supernatural experience in a cave that left a young Mohammad with the firm belief that the archangel Gabriel had summoned him to be God's messenger on Earth.

I don't think that anyone knowledgeable will dispute, that  Islam in and of itself, was born in violence. Not only did the angel Gabriel allegedly try to choke Mohammad to death at one point, but so did Mohammad's tribe, the "Quraysh".

From its very inception, Islam has been about a fight to survive.  Mohammad called this principle "Jihad", and drew two distinctions. Ultimately the greater jihad, "Jihad al Akbar", is the struggle to perfect oneself, the struggle to be a better person in the eyes of Allah.  Mohammad nevertheless emphasized, especially throughout the Medina Suras in the Q'uran, that the lesser jihad, "Jihad al Asghar"; e.g.; the struggle to defeat infidels, non-believers and opponents who threatens (or has ever threatened!)  the faith, is the primary means for the manifestation of Islam upon our World. 

 

There is no question that of all the Western religions, e.g.; Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, at one point in time, Islam was the most modern, and I dare say "enlightened", for lack of a better word.  When we were still cutting the entrails out of anyone who dare spoke against the King, Islam was far more progressive, at least by 11th and 12th Century standards. The World's arts and sciences were at the  forefront in Islam.   As I have stated previously, whereas Christianity and Judaism have reformed, Islam has never reformed. 

From the time that Mohammad wrote the Suras in both Medina and Mecca, (which are in total conflict with one another in my opinion) the Muslim religion spread across the entire Arabian Peninsula, north into Persia (Iran), and westward into Palestine, Egypt, Algeria and Morocco. Eventually, it crossed the Mediterranean Sea into Spain and worked its way up the central Asian trade routes to the Balkans, to what is now known as Germany/the Chechen Republic/Central Western Europe. 

As Islam spread, Islamic leaders ruled each new country through a "Caliphate";  e.g.;  a theocratic governing body presided over by a supreme religious authority and his council of religious leaders. They not only set the moral agenda for the country but, by Sharia, determined what actions of the state were approved by Mohammad -- and more importantly, what actions were not. 

 

What many in the West don't understand or comprehend, is that "Sharia", to both moderates, and "Orthodox" or "Fundamentalist Muslims";  crosses all boundaries of life, to include political, economic, religious, personal, hygienic, attire, food, etc.  There is nothing at all to compare this concept with here in the United States of Europe.   Sharia is all encompassing.  Even the concept of loving one's Nation, or patriotism is not at all the same.   There are no examples to give, but try and picture your Minister or Priest dictating to you what to wear; what to eat; who to vote for; how often to bathe, and the exact precepts of personal hygiene.  I'm not talking about your Priest or Minister "Suggesting" what to wear, or eat,  I am talking about your Priest or Minister MANDATING what you will wear each and every day, and what you will eat, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc., etc.   Again, this is such a foreign concept, that it seems almost laughable, but nevertheless, ALL Muslims, to include those that we consider, "Moderate"  are under the dictates of Sharia.   To not follow the dictates of Sharia, qualifies you as an infidel, and infidels.....Well, read some of the Suras from the Holy Q'uran that I have listed below. 

 
As stated, there is no distinction between Sharia as it applies to politics, religion, economics, etc.   This is such a foreign concept to most of us that have been brought up in Western culture, that it is hard to rationalize.   Where there is total conflict, is when Muslims try to apply Sharia, which is the way that ALL Muslims MUST live, within Western Society.   This discord cannot be harmonized. 

 

By example, women are chattel, literally owned by their fathers until such time as they are married, and then their husband owns them.  He can own four wives.....And a fifth wife for short durations, to satisfy those, "Human Urges" that Allah has bequeathed to mankind.  The penalty for a woman who might have these types of "Human Urges"  is immediate, painful and unmerciful death.  An excellent source for Islamic jurisprudence can be found here on Google; enter:  "Jurisprudence and Islamic Rulings, Part 4 By Muhammad Saed Abdul-Rahman" which will take you to "Google Books."   Go to Page 73, through 75, and see the reasoning!   

 

I wonder how Whoopie and Joy would take to being owned?   

 

This same logic goes for Tom.   To think that Tom can openly advocate his Gay Agenda within Islam is laughable.   I have attached a few photos for Tom's review to this post.   The pictures are not of Homosexuals who were openly gay, but instead, were accused of  covert homosexuality.   By example, Mohammad in several Haddiths says:

 

From the Hadith:

 

There are several lesser hadiths stating, "if a man comes upon a man, then they are both adulterers," "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both Adulteresses,"; and, "When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes";  and "Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to."

 

Abu Dawud (4462) - The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, "Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, (Lot) execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.".

 

Abu Dawud (4448) - "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy, he will be stoned to death."  (Note the implicit approval of sodomizing one's wife).

 

Of course, many think that it was just a sign of the times that Mohammad took a nine ("9") year old bride, Aiesha.   Could be,  that Aiesha was way beyond her nine years, I don't know.  We do know that  the same rules don't apply in "Paradise", where martyrs for the cause of Allah enjoy an orgy of virgins and "perpetual youth" Q'uran (56:17)  or otherwise known as "boys" Q'uran (52:24).   

 

And then, Qur'an (See Q'uran at 76:19) bluntly states, "And immortal boys will circulate among them, when you see them you will count them as scattered pearls."  Technically, the mere presence of boys doesn't necessarily mean sex, however it is strongly implied from the particular emphasis on the effeminacy, handsomeness and "freshness" of the boys.  The female virgins of paradise are also compared as pearls (See Q'uran at 56:23). I am not implying that there is a link between homosexuality and pedophilia here anymore than I am implying one between heterosexuality and pedophilia.....Nevertheless, Mohammad did prefer a nine year girl as his wife.....

 

We outlaw those Christian Denominations that would engage in illicit drugs, in order to purportedly "See God" more clearly.   Of course it is illegal for one to sacrifice the vestal virgin on the alter in the name of God, or any religion.   We have outlawed polygamy for Mormons, and other Christian Denominations.   Not so with Islam.   We continue to allow for this religion to be in total conflict, on a number of different fronts, within our very borders, in the name of "Religious Tolerance" and political correctness.  

 

Today, it is those Orthodox, or "Fundamentalist Muslims" that control Islam in the 21st Century.  For whatever reason, we don't hear the purported "Moderate Muslims"  speak out on the totally divergent tenets of Islam, as they are practiced in Western Civilization.  Do any of you recall hearing of a National Leader of a predominately Muslim Nation State, condemn the acts in United States on 9/11/01, Great Britain on July 7, 2005, and the terrorist acts in Spain several years ago?  Have you ever heard an Islamic Nation-State's Leader, or an Imam, or Grand Mufti, condemn those actions?   Heard any Caliphate  for lack of a better term, condemn the fundamentalist, radical Muslims?  

  
In looking at the Middle East, it is essential to understand the history and the larger role of Islam. Dealing with Islam today is the primary challenge to the West because its name is invoked, legitimately or not, in virtually every conflict in which we are engaged.

 

Just a few thoughts regarding Islam, on this, Friday, October 15, 2010.   Am I an Islamophobe?   I don't think I am, but I do believe that Islam should be outlawed until such time as Islam reforms, as Christianity and Judaism has reformed.   

 
Keith

 

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Mohammed said,
 
"Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." (Hadith al Buhkari; Vol. 9:57;  Hadith 9:45; 84.2.57.)

 

Sura 5:51; 9:5,29,41: "Take not the Jews and Christians for friends ... slay the idolaters [infidels] wherever ye find them. ...Fight against those who ... believe not in Allah nor the Last Day"  

Sura  4:168: "Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will  not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever. And this to Allah is easy."

Sura 9:123: "Believers! wage war against such of the infidels as are your neighbours, and let them find you rigorous: and know that God is with those who fear him."

Sura 9:29-33: "Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled. The Jews say, 'Ezra (Ozair) is a son of God'; and the Christians say, 'The Messiah is a son of God'. Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble the sayings of the Infidels of old! God do battle with them! How are they misguided!..He it is who hath sent His Apostle with the Guidance and a religion of the truth, that He may make it victorious over every other religion, albeit they who assign partners to God be averse from it."

Sura 8:15  "O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers preparing for battle do not turn your backs to them. [Anyone who does] shall incur the wrath of God, and Hell shall be his home,- an evil dwelling indeed!"

Sura 8:57 "So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson."

Sura 8:65 "O Messenger! Rouse the Believers among you to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish two thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are people without understanding." In other words those who believe not in Allah are not equal to those who do."

Sura 8:67 "It is not fitting for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he has made a great slaughter in the land."

Sura 6:157 "Or lest ye should say: "If the Book had only been sent down to us, we should have followed its guidance better than they." Now then hath come unto you a clear (sign) from your Lord,- and a guide and a mercy: then who could do more wrong than one who rejecteth God's signs, and turneth away therefrom? In good time shall We requite those who turn away from Our signs, with a dreadful penalty, for their turning away."

 

(Note:  If you are not a Muslim, how do you think this affects you?)

 

Sura 8:12 "Remember your Lord inspired the angels with the message: "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: you smite them above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."

 

Sura 16:125: "Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah. Whatever you spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid to you and you shall not be treated unjustly."

 

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