Hey Jonathan,
I agree for the most part. There have been a number of issues that I disagreed with, which Gingrich has championed. I am unfamiliar with what you are referencing regarding the federalization of education, I understand Gingrich to be opposed to the Department of Education. Likewise, I am unfamiliar with the reference to the state environmental regulation(s); and I do keep a fairly close eye on environmental regulations, (for a number of reasons....)
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
Gingrich is interesting to listen to, but his voting record does not measure up to his rhetoric.
He was the most vocal proponent of the pre-election 1994 Contract with America which, among other things, called for a balanced budget amendment, yet he is on record as having voted (on 10 March 1994) against a responsible amendment offered by Rep. Gerald Solomon (R-NY) to balance the budget by 1999.
He often voted for amendments that lacked fiscal responsibility.
He routinely voted for unconstitutional environmental amendments that violate the right of the States to regulate such issues.
His votes on federalizing education, creating a national police force, and other legislation which violates states' rights is there for all to see if they will take the time.
Gingrich is not a friend of freedom.
On 9/17/2010 10:25 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote:I don't see Kristol and Gingrich necessarily advocating the same types of things, and I also see them apart on a number of issues. Yes, I like Gingrich.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean when you say, "but Newt Gingrich is a far cry from Kristol." Are you saying you like Gingrich?
On 9/17/2010 9:01 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote:Interesting perspective Jonathan.....I am no Bill Kristol fan, but Newt Gingrich is a far cry from Kristol and other Neo-Cons.....
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, the Tea Party groups are already being co-opted by the likes of Sarah Palin and Dick Armey.--
"Palin's public voice is an instrument of great versatility. In a few moments, she can turn from kind to hateful, rational to unhinged. At her best Palin can be folksy and pungent. But she needs outside help to give her voice its national range. For messaging strategy, Palin relies on William Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, and Fred Malek, who was an aide to Presidents Richard Nixon and George H. W. Bush. The lawyer Robert Barnett, the most successful literary agent in Washington — his clients range from Hillary Clinton to Dick Cheney to Tony Blair — negotiated Palin's reported $7 million advance for Going Rogue, and he helps oversee her speaking schedule, which is arranged by the Washington Speakers Bureau. The small inner circle that shapes Palin's voice day to day includes lobbyist Randy Scheunemann, a director of the neoconservative think tank Project for the New American Century, who advises Palin on foreign affairs, and Kim Daniels, a lawyer with the Thomas More Law Center, which has been called "the Christian answer to the A.C.L.U.," who advises her on domestic issues. Palin's speechwriter is Lindsay Hayes. Doug McMarlin and Jason Recher, both of whom did advance work for George W. Bush, serve as body men and confidants."[1]
Armey (along with con man Newt Gingrich) was one of the prime architects of the 1994 Contract With America. It's been 16 years since the Republicans pulled that scam - I'm still waiting for results.
[1] http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2010/10/sarah-palin-201010?currentPage=all
On 9/17/2010 7:53 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote:--Actually, I couldn't disagree more.The Tea Partiers are actually a legitimate, grass roots crew, who the far left socialist-elitists detest. They are true Americans who have finally stood up to the Marxists in control, and for those of them who have been active in politics, to their own formally conservative Republican Party and demanded a house cleaning, and their party back.They will make a difference this election, as in 2012, and don't be surprised to see the likes of O'Connell in Delaware, as well as others throughout the Nation to shock a lot of these purported "moderates" who are pretty much what the Democratic Party used to be.
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 10:29 AM, nominal9 <nominal9@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well... to continue on the same metaphor.... actually, I was speaking
about the Membership of the Tea party Express....Ever hear the
expression
"It isn't what you know it's WHO you know that matters to get ahead in
this world."?.....
I think that the expression holds for the major part (if not all) of
Tea Party Expressers..... just a bunch of social climbing elitist
sorts who get by on their connections and cronyism. But, I've altered
that "expression" about social climbers and such economic parasites a
bit..... I say... It isn't what you know it's WHO'S COCK YOU BLOW that
matters to get ahead in this world.... It was just a continuation of
the metaphor to get to the "train-like" sound that the Tea Party
Express Train makes..... HAR HAR HAR HAR.... all in parody and satire,
of course....
nominal9
On Sep 15, 8:03 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm doing great Nominal,
>
> So.....When you see Tea Party Patriots, your mind wanders to having oral
> sex?
>
> Okay.....I think that speaks volumes.....
>
>
>> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:46 PM, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I've got this "gag"... hope it doesn't get me censored off this
> > site..... it isn't about any other poster or even about any one
> > "public personality.... although a "public personality" should be fair
> > game to Satire, Parody and such (Heck, Travis seems to get away with a
> > lot of that)..........It's about the Tea Party Express
> > Do you know what the Tea Party Exress Train sounds like?
> > It goes....
>
> > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew
> > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew
> > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew
> > Cocka-Sucka, Cocka-Sucka. Cocka-Sucka..... Chew... Chew
>
> > HAR...
> > how you doin' Keith from Tampa?
>
> > On Sep 15, 3:50 pm, nominal9 <nomin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Election-2010/2010/0915/What-is-the-tea-...
>
> > > By Brad Knickerbocker, Staff writer / September 15, 2010
>
> > > In recent months, the "tea party" movement has swept across the
> > > political landscape, sending shivers through both major political
> > > parties and shaking up this year's midterm elections.
>
> > > Skip to next paragraph View gallery: Tea Parties
> > > Related Stories
> > > 'Tea party' is polarizing, but has many 'closet admirers,' poll finds
> > > 'Tea party' Contract From America: Real plan or bumper sticker? Tea
> > > Party - All coverage What began as a minor insurgency featuring
> > > protesters waving signs of dubious syntax, followed by racially tinged
> > > conspiracies about President Obama's lineage and religion and
> > > ostentatiously displayed firearms – and cheered on by some
> > > conservative commentators and bloggers – is now winning elections that
> > > could determine the balance of power in the US Congress. (The main
> > > question here is, does the trend favor Republicans or Democrats?)
>
> > > There is no such thing as the "tea party." It is not organized as
> > > such, and in fact the movement in some sense is antiparty – even
> > > though most of its political pot-stirring has been within the GOP.
>
> > > IN PICTURES: Tea Parties
>
> > > Join our conversation about the tea party on Facebook.
> > > The "Taxed Enough Already" movement took initial aim at federal
> > > government attempts to bail out and then stimulate a faltering economy
> > > – attempts that had begun during the Bush administration – as well as
> > > at the Obama administration's push for health-care insurance reform.
>
> > > If the movement had a symbolic beginning, it was in January 2009 with
> > > stock-trader Graham Makohoniuk's call to mail tea bags to members of
> > > Congress. Conservative bloggers took up the theme, CNBC's Rick
> > > Santelli made his famous rant against government help for underwater
> > > home mortgages, and public protests around the country began.
>
> > > Since then, the movement has sprouted (although not been defined or
> > > controlled by) several major organizations.
>
> > > Tea Party Patriots says it has more than 1,000 community-based tea
> > > party groups around the country. The group's mission is to "attract,
> > > educate, organize, and mobilize our fellow citizens to secure public
> > > policy consistent with our three core values of Fiscal Responsibility,
> > > Constitutionally Limited Government and Free Markets," according to
> > > its website.
>
> > > FreedomWorks, chaired by former US House majority leader Dick Armey,
> > > claims "hundreds of thousands of grassroots volunteers nationwide."
> > > FreedomWorks goes back to 1984, but has become a major source of the
> > > tea party movement's promotion and activities. It was an organizer of
> > > last Sunday's Taxpayer March on Washington.
>
> > > Page: 1 | 2
> > > The Tea Party Express, based in Sacramento, Calif., was a major force
> > > behind the Republican primary victories of Sharron Angle in Nevada,
> > > Joe Miller in Alaska, and Christine O'Donnell in Delaware. It was also
> > > a major donor to Scott Brown's successful campaign for US Senate in
> > > Massachusetts.
>
> > > Skip to next paragraph View gallery: Tea Parties
> > > Related Stories
> > > 'Tea party' is polarizing, but has many 'closet admirers,' poll finds
> > > 'Tea party' Contract From America: Real plan or bumper sticker? Tea
> > > Party - All coverage There may not be a "tea party" per se, but its
> > > adherents' philosophy and aims are officially represented on Capitol
> > > Hill. In July, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R) of Minnesota formed the Tea
> > > Party Caucus. Fifty lawmakers quickly joined the group.
>
> > > While national organizations and grass-roots groups have their own
> > > stated goals, there is a tea party manifesto of sorts, which
> > > candidates are being encouraged to endorse. It's the Contract From
> > > America, launched by Ryan Hecker, an attorney and activist in Houston.
>
> > > Meanwhile, a clearer picture of tea partyers is emerging.
>
> > > In March, the Sam Adams Alliance, a Chicago-based nonprofit, issued a
> > > report based on a national survey of the tea party movement, its
> > > leaders, and their motivations.
>
> > > Among the findings:
>
> > > • 86 percent oppose the formation of a third party.
> > > • 36 percent support a 2012 Sarah Palin presidential candidacy.
> > > • 81 percent have a website for their organization.
> > > • 90 percent cited "to stand up for my beliefs" when characterizing
> > > their initial reason for involvement.
> > > • 62 percent identified as Republicans, 28 percent as Independents, 10
> > > percent as "Tea Party."
>
> > > "Tea Party activists are for the most part new to this role," the
> > > report states. "They are neither practiced nor polished in activism;
> > > but having experienced a taste of the empowerment that comes with
> > > action, they feel more than ever that this is their time to act. Above
> > > all, they are motivated by a fear of NOT acting.... Their diversity is
> > > their strength, and they are not a movement that can easily be defined
> > > by those jumping up to lead them. They are powerful and, in this
> > > sense, they are the 'early adopters' of a new type of political
> > > involvement."
>
> > > More recently, the Sam Adams Alliance reports that significant numbers
> > > of newcomers to the tea party movement are dropping their affiliation
> > > with the GOP: Forty-seven percent changed their political affiliation
> > > to "Independent/unaffiliated," 20 percent changed to "other," 20
> > > percent to "Tea Party," and 13 percent to "Libertarian."
>
> > > That's exactly why Republicans as well as Democrats are very concerned
> > > about this new movement in American politics.
>
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