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he should've been executed or used as prison labor
On Jul 6, 4:34 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keith, Margareth is not a Gringo, she is a proud and definitely not
> naive, Canadian.
>
> It's worth noting that although the United States complains about
> drugs pouring in, it is the "narco-state" of firearms. The Wild West
> U.S. civilian gun market fuels the war in Mexico and is the source of
> virtually all of the handguns used in crime in Canada. You're doing a
> hell of a job on the rest of the world, NRA!
>
> The Canadian case is instructive. According to the report, "Gangs
> pose a growing problem for law enforcement along the U.S.-Canada
> border, particularly the border areas in the New England and Pacific
> Regions." News reports confirm this "growing problem" (as did the
> report of a Canadian government official at an international anti-gang
> conference, sponsored by the FBI and the Salvadoran National Civil
> Police, I attended in El Salvador two years ago as an observer). For
> example, the Canadian new service, Canwest, reported on May 23, 2008
> about this MS-13 presence:
>
> Admitted Salvadoran killer Jose Cardoza Quinteros, of the notorious
> Mara Salvatrucha gang, was deported this week by the Canada Border
> Services Agency after initially being granted refugee status by the
> Immigration and Refugee Board. Cardoza Quinteros, who admitted when he
> arrived in Canada to committing four murders and throwing grenades
> into crowds of rivals, had argued he could face harm if sent to El
> Salvador. Canwest News Service has learned he was removed to the U.S.,
> and not to his native country.
>
> http://tomdiaz.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/north-american-gangland-cross...
>
> On Jul 6, 3:13 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Uhm.....Ditto what PlainOl said, except he said it much nicer than I
> > would. "Hogwash"
>
> > It's hard to believe that we have any true American that is this naive and
> > blind to what is going on.
>
> > On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:59 PM, margareth <mzeba...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > I would agree with you, If the solution you suggest is to use guns. I
> > > still would not pay the hundred bucks it costs to get a passport
> > > unless I was also planning a trip to Europe, or Asia in the near
> > > future. As a consequence I will not be spending many tourist dollars
> > > in the US.In truth it is the Canadians and the Mexicans who should be
> > > concerned about the security of THEIR borders. American criminals
> > > like to move freely across, then practice their dubious trades in our
> > > cities and town.
> > > What I really find mind boggling is the concept that if you really
> > > want to control illegal immigrants, it is not the huddled masses, but
> > > those cheapskate businessmen and homemakers that are always ready to
> > > hire them. They simply would not be so anxious to come...if they could
> > > not find any legitimate jobs.... and who gives them that? Just to save
> > > a few bucks on benefits etc?.
>
> > > On Jul 6, 12:33 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > the current occupant of the White House yesterday proved himself every
> > > > bit the social engineer his predecessors were. Health insurance,
> > > > energy, the financial industry, education, nation building -- in each
> > > > area and more the head of the executive branch, Barack Obama, has
> > > > embraced the dominant bipartisan doctrine which proclaims that
> > > > government planners know best
> > > > ---
> > > > the current crop are ignorant and corrupt
> > > > they should be removed from our gov asap by any means necessary
>
> > > > On Jul 5, 9:09 am, "M. Johnson" <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Yes, how dare they not present themselves at once to the government?
> > > Do they think this is America? Oh wait. It is America. Well, never mind.
> > > Just confess that you broke a statute that violates thenatural law, register
> > > (!), pay your tribute, and learn English. Why must they learn English? Does
> > > not knowing English violate someone's rights? (As if there weren't already
> > > some incentive to learn English.)"
> > > > > "Wasn't there a time -- once long ago -- when "being an American" meant
> > > that the government operated inside the bounds of the natural law? (At least
> > > that was the theory.) It's different now. The politicians arbitrarily make
> > > up the "law" as they go along, and rest of us are expected to live within
> > > its bounds as though its our civic duty. That's what being an American means
> > > now."The Goal Is FreedomBorder Control BogeyWhat's next? Internal
> > > passports?bySheldon Richman
> > > > > Posted July 02, 2010
> > > > > As if we weren't already aware, the current occupant of the White House
> > > yesterday proved himself every bit the social engineer his predecessors
> > > were. Health insurance, energy, the financial industry, education, nation
> > > building -- in each area and more the head of the executive branch, Barack
> > > Obama, has embraced the dominant bipartisan doctrine which proclaims that
> > > government planners know best and mere people -- interacting according to
> > > the principles of consent, cooperation, and competition -- know nothing.
> > > What would we do without our "leaders"?
> > > > > And so it comes as no surprise that we see the same doctrine applied to
> > > nullify theright of people to move freely-- that is, immigration.
> > > > > Obama gave hisfirst big speechon the issue yesterday in which he tried
> > > to satisfy everyone. More than likely he satisfied almost no one. Count me
> > > among the dissatisfied. He rhapsodized about hardworking immigrants in
> > > America while boasting he has made great strides in "securing" the border.
> > > He read Emma Lazarus's poem about the huddled masses yearning to breathe
> > > free while proclaiming, "Today, we have more boots on the ground near the
> > > Southwest border than at any time in our history. Let me repeat that: We
> > > have more boots on the ground on the Southwest border than at any time in
> > > our history."
> > > > > Nice image for America.
> > > > > Obama's message: You want to come here? You'll do it on my terms (if at
> > > all). "We should make it easier for the best and the brightest to come to
> > > start businesses and develop products and create jobs," he said. There's the
> > > pretense of knowledge in action.
> > > > > And to show that you can't violate some people's freedom without the
> > > violating other people's freedom, he said:[B]usinesses must be held
> > > accountable if they break the law by deliberately hiring and exploiting
> > > undocumented workers. We've already begun to step up enforcement against the
> > > worst workplace offenders. And we're implementing and improving a system to
> > > give employers a reliable way to verify that their employees are here
> > > legally.So our "free enterprise system" will not tolerate employers being
> > > free to hire whomever wishes to work for them. That's hard to square with
> > > limited government. Note the sly juxtaposition of "hiring and exploiting."
> > > Is Obama saying that any hiring of an undocumented worker -- translation: a
> > > human being without government-issued papers -- is exploitation? He would
> > > prefer you not realize that it's immigration law which makes exploitation
> > > possible. When workers are afraid to protest conditions or quit because they
> > > might get turned in to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, they are ripe
> > > for exploitation. Yes, employers who take advantage of these workers are
> > > scoundrels. But the politicians and bureaucrats who write and enforce the
> > > restrictions that enable the exploitation are worse. It couldn't happen
> > > without them.
> > > > > By going after employers the government interferes with desperately
> > > poor people trying to make better lives for themselves. Obama acknowledges
> > > that that's what they are doing -- but he wants them thwarted anyway.
> > > "[U]ltimately," he said, "if the demand for undocumented workers falls, the
> > > incentive for people to come here illegally will decline as well."
> > > Compassion stops at the border.
> > > > > Let's not overlook Obama's phrase "a reliable way to verify that their
> > > employees are here legally." That's an ID and a database.Demanding
> > > ResponsibilityHe went on: "Finally, we have to demand responsibility from
> > > people living here illegally. They must be required to admit that they broke
> > > the law. They should be required to register, pay their taxes, pay a fine,
> > > and learn English."
> > > > > Yes, how dare they not present themselves at once to the government? Do
> > > they think this is America? Oh wait. It is America. Well, never mind. Just
> > > confess that you broke a statute that violates thenatural law, register (!),
> > > pay your tribute, and learn English. Why must they learn English? Does not
> > > knowing English violate someone's rights? (As if there weren't already some
> > > incentive to learn English.)
> > > > > "They must get right with the law before they can get in line and earn
> > > their citizenship not just because it is fair, not just because it will make
> > > clear to those who might wish to come to America they must do so inside the
> > > bounds of the law, but because this is how we demonstrate … what being an
> > > American means."
> > > > > Wasn't there a time -- once long ago -- when "being an American" meant
> > > that the government operated inside the bounds of the natural law? (At least
> > > that was the theory.) It's different now. The politicians arbitrarily make
> > > up the "law" as they go along, and rest of us are expected to live within
> > > its bounds as though its our civic duty. That's what being an American means
> > > now
> > > > > "Being a citizen of this country comes not only with rights but also
> > > with certain
>
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