Re: Jesus Akbar

The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the
birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
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Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage.
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whatever

On Jun 19, 11:48 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes it does, you are incorrect.
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> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:37 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > You said: Jesus was an Asine ... has nothing to do with Jesus's
> > ancestry and lineage
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> > On Jun 19, 10:34 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Has nothing to do with Jesus's ancestry and lineage.
>
> > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 5:02 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew.
> > > > ---
> > > > The New Testament identifies Bethlehem, a Palestinian city, as the
> > > > birthplace of Jesus of Nazareth.
>
> > > > On Jun 19, 9:29 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > It's also questionable as to whether Jesus was a Jew.  Jesus was an
> > Asine
> > > > > (sp)..
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> > > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:19 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <
> > markmka...@gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
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> > > > > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small
> > scourge
> > > > > > or whip of reeds or grass...  Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power
> > and
> > > > > > can do no real harm...
>
> > > > > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply
> > > > > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move.
>
> > > > > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
>
> > > > > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > > > advocated?
> > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would
> > he
> > > > do
> > > > > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing?
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> > > > > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > > > advocated?
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> > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <
> > > > > > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran,
> > > > Talmud and
> > > > > > > > > NT.
>
> > > > > > > > > pick your poison
>
> > > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >   Jesus Akbar
>
> > > > > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a
> > Christian
> > > > > > school,
> > > > > > > > > > Lipscomb<
>
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > > > .>University,
> > > > > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in
> > harmony
> > > > > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America,
> > > > Christians
> > > > > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he
> > says
> > > > > > that we
> > > > > > > > > all
> > > > > > > > > > worship the same god.
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different
> > > > faiths
> > > > > > to get
> > > > > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
>
> > > > > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at
> > scriptures
> > > > is
> > > > > > indeed
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem
> > is
> > > > that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that
> > > > someone
> > > > > > wants
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone
> > who is
> > > > > > ignorant
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > > a deceiver.
>
> > > > > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to
> > model
> > > > > > their life
> > > > > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of
> > > > Mohammed
> > > > > > is found
> > > > > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of
> > the
> > > > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual
> > > > doctrine.
> > > > > > Volf,
> > > > > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about
> > Allah.
> > > > > > There is a
> > > > > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently
> > abstract
> > > > that
> > > > > > he can
> > > > > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by
> > cherry-picking
> > > > > > verses and
> > > > > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull
> > > > > > session.
>
> > > > > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > Koran
> > > > > > > > > says
> > > > > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels,
> > Psalms
> > > > > > and Torah
> > > > > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not
> > > > mentioned.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity
> > and
> > > > all
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the
> > > > foundation
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including
> > > > Christians).
> > > > > > He also
> > > > > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > > > > > > > > attacks<
>
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > > > .>since
> > > > > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of
> > > > continuous
> > > > > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What
> > are
> > > > ugly
> > > > > > facts
> > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work
> > toward
> > > > the
> > > > > > common
> > > > > > > > > > good under a single government.*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia.
> > The
> > > > > > place for
> > > > > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*,
> > a
> > > > > > semi-slave.
> > > > > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into
> > place,
> > > > > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated.
> > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the
> > Sharia.
> > > > > > When
> > > > > > > > > Islam
> > > > > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was
> > 100%
> > > > > > Christian.
> > > > > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian
> > > > population.
>
> > > > > > > > > >  *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by
> > reversing
> > > > the
> > > > > > "our
> > > > > > > > > God
> > > > > > > > > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between
> > neighbors
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > > nations,
> > > > > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy
> > bridges,
> > > > he
> > > > > > > > > destroyed
> > > > > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor
> > until
> > > > the
> > > > > > day he
> > > > > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a
> > > > sacred
> > > > > > life).
> > > > > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman)
> > > > > > followed his
> > > > > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians
> > as
> > > > fast
> > > > > > as they
> > > > > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the
> > time
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical
> > > > > > civilization of
> > > > > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity.
> > The
> > > > > > classical
> > > > > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of
> > > > > > Christianity was
> > > > > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of
> > jihad. The
> > > > > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the
> > > > year
> > > > > > 630 AD
> > > > > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were
> > > > > > annihilated by
> > > > > > > > > > Islamic jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the
> > > > Koran
> > > > > > written
> > > > > > > > > > in Medina, about
> > > > > > > > > > 24%<
>
> > > >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V
> > > > > > ..
> > > > > > > > > .>is
> > > > > > > > > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends,
> > which
> > > > > > frequently
> > > > > > > > > > leads to violence."*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and
> > > > garnered
> > > > > > 150
> > > > > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he
> > > > died
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > > Arab
> > > > > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him
> > > > successful.
>
> > > > > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive
> > > > Kafirs
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > impose
> > > > > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics
> > have
> > > > one
> > > > > > set of
> > > > > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs.
> > Ethics
> > > > > > based on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> > > > > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with
> > > > morality,
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
>
> > > > > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a
> > > > Golden
> > > > > > Rule.
> > > > > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight.
> > Allah
> > > > > > denies the
> > > > > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go
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