Re: The Case of the Missing Terrorists

I disagree that torturing anyone is acceptable.
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terrorists don't deserve protection from the law

As stated, (and I think
pretty much proven by fact, despite Moonbats' assertions to the
contrary); "We've" (as in "We, The United States") have never
tortured
anyone!
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In January 2006, Chief Warrant Officer Lewis E. Welshofer Jr. of the
3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment was convicted of negligent homicide for
the torturing to death of Abed Hamed Mowhoush, a general in the Iraqi
Air Force who had voluntarily surrendered to American forces.


On May 16, 1:39 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I disagree that torturing anyone is acceptable.  As stated, (and I think
> pretty much proven by fact,  despite Moonbats' assertions to the
> contrary);  "We've"  (as in "We, The United States")  have never tortured
> anyone!
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > individuals that were waterboarded,  were not
> > tortured.
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> > torturing terrorists is justifiable
>
> > Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs,
> > brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries
> > including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting
> > psychological damage and death. Adverse physical consequences can
> > manifest themselves months after the event, while psychological
> > effects can last for years.
>
> > On May 16, 12:58 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Roberts'  has a very prevaricate, distorted, skewed, inaccurate, and a
> > > typical revisionist history account of Yoo's,  the "Rumsfeld  Defense
> > > Department Working Group's"  Memoranda.
>
> > > As Bybee, Bradbury, Yoo and "Rumsfeld's Defense Department Working Group"
> > > Memoranda all attest, the modern day waterboarding was a Level III
> > enhanced
> > > interrogation technique, which was done after all other techniques had
> > > failed, and was utilized on only three individals, who clearly knew that
> > an
> > > iminent attack was going to take place in the United States, e.g.; a
> > plane
> > > from Southeast Asia being targeted into a Los Angeles skyscraper, and a
> > > dirty bomb being set off in Washington D.C.
>
> > > The waterboarding procedure, which took place for a maximum of 40
> > seconds,
> > > and never caused any pain, or any physical harm or mental harm, and was
> > at
> > > all times monitored by both a medical doctor and a psychologist.
>
> > > If the enhanced interrogation technique of waterboarding is 'torture',
> > then
> > > how does one survive the procedure after 183 times, without revealing the
> > > information that is the purpose of the waterboarding, and without
> > suffering
> > > some pain, suffering, or consequential harm?
>
> > > As much as Roberts, and other Moonbats hate to address the real truth,
> >  the
> > > three (count em' 3!)  individuals that were waterboarded,  were not
> > > tortured.
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> > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:03 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > >  *"If you were a Muslim terrorist seeking retribution for Washington's
> > > > crimes, would you try to smuggle aboard an airliner a bomb in your
> > > > underwear or shoe in order to blow up people whose only responsibility
> > for
> > > > Washington's war against Muslims is that they fell for Washington's
> > > > propaganda? If you wanted to blow up the innocent, wouldn't you instead
> > > > place your bomb in the middle of the mass of humanity waiting to clear
> > > > airport security and take out TSA personnel along with passengers?
> > > > Terrorists could coordinate their attacks, hitting a number of large
> > > > airports across the US at the same minute. This would be real terror.
> > > > Moreover, it would present TSA with an insolvable problem: how can
> > people
> > > > be screened before they are screened?"
>
> > > > **The Case of the Missing Terrorists
> > > > *Paul Craig Roberts
> > > >  May 14, 2012<
> >http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/05/14/the-case-of-the-missing-te...>
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> > > > If there were any real terrorists, Jose Rodriguez would be dead.
>
> > > > Who is Jose Rodriguez? He is the criminal who ran the CIA torture
> > program.
> > > > Most of his victims were not terrorists or even insurgents. Most were
> > > > hapless individuals kidnapped by warlords and sold to the Americans as
> > > > "terrorists" for the bounty paid.
>
> > > > If Rodriguez's identity was previously a secret, it is no more. He has
> > > > been on CBS "60 Minutes" taking credit for torturing Muslims and using
> > the
> > > > information allegedly gained to kill leaders of al Qaeda. If terrorists
> > > > were really the problem that Homeland Security, the FBI and CIA claim,
> > > > Rodriguez's name would be a struck through item on the terrorists' hit
> > > > list. He would be in his grave.
>
> > > > So, also, would be John Yoo, who wrote the Justice (sic) Department
> > memos
> > > > giving the green light to torture, despite US and International laws
> > > > prohibiting torture. Apparently, Yoo, a professor at the Boalt School
> > of
> > > > Law at the University of California, Berkeley, was ignorant of US and
> > > > international law. And so was the US Department of Justice (sic).
>
> > > > Notice that Rodriguez, "The Torturer of the Muslims," does't have to
> > hide.
> > > > He can go on national television, reveal his identity, and revel in his
> > > > success in torturing and murdering Muslims. Rodriguez has no Secret
> > Service
> > > > protection and would be an easy mark for assassination by terrorists so
> > > > capable as to have, allegedly, pulled off 9/11.
>
> > > > Another easy mark for assassination would be former Secretary of
> > Defense
> > > > Donald Rumsfeld, who staffed up the Pentagon with neoconservative
> > > > warmongers such as Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, who in turn
> > concocted
> > > > the false information used to justify the invasions of Iraq and
> > > > Afghanistan. Rumsfeld himself declared members of al Qaeda to be the
> > most
> > > > vicious and dangerous killers on earth. Yet Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Feith,
> > > > Richard Perle, together with neoconservative media propagandists, such
> > as
> > > > William Kristol and Max Boot, have been walking around safe for years
> > > > unmolested by terrorists seeking revenge or bringing retribution to
> > those
> > > > responsible for as many as 1,000,000 Muslim deaths.
>
> > > > Condi Rice, Colin Powell, who delivered the Speech of Lies to the UN
> > > > inaugurating the invasion of Iraq, and Dick Cheney, whose minimal
> > Secret
> > > > Service protection could not withstand a determined assassination
> > attempt,
> > > > also enjoy lives unmolested by terrorists.
>
> > > > Remember the deck of cards that the Bush regime had with Iraqi faces?
> > If
> > > > terrorists had a similar deck, all of those named above would be "high
> > > > value targets." Yet, there has not been a single attempt on any one of
> > them.
>
> > > > Strange, isn't it, that none of the above are faced with a terrorist
> > > > threat. Yet, the tough, macho Navy Seals who allegedly killed Osama bin
> > > > Laden must have their identity kept hidden so that they don't become
> > > > terrorist targets. These American supermen, highly trained killers
> > > > themselves, don't dare show their faces, but Rodriguez, Rumsfeld, and
> > Condi
> > > > Rice can walk around unmolested. Indeed, the Seals' lives are so
> > endangered
> > > > that President Obama gave up the enormous public relations political
> > > > benefit of a White House ceremony with the heroic Navy Seals. Very
> > strange
> > > > behavior for a politician. A couple of weeks after the alleged bin
> > Laden
> > > > killing, the Seals unit, or most of it, was wiped out in a helicopter
> > crash
> > > > in Afghanistan.
>
> > > > If you were a Muslim terrorist seeking retribution for Washington's
> > > > crimes, would you try to smuggle aboard an airliner a bomb in your
> > > > underwear or shoe in order to blow up people whose only responsibility
> > for
> > > > Washington's war against Muslims is that they fell for Washington's
> > > > propaganda? If you wanted to blow up the innocent, wouldn't you instead
> > > > place your bomb in the middle of the mass of humanity waiting to clear
> > > > airport security and take out TSA personnel along with passengers?
> > > > Terrorists could coordinate their attacks, hitting a number of large
> > > > airports across the US at the same minute. This would be real terror.
> > > > Moreover, it would present TSA with an insolvable problem: how can
> > people
> > > > be screened before they are screened?
>
> > > > Or coordinated attacks on shopping malls and sports events?
>
> > > > Why should terrorists, if they exist, bother to kill people when it is
> > > > easy to cause mayhem by not killing them? There are a large number of
> > > > unguarded electric power substations. Entire regions of the country
> > could
> > > > be shut down. The simplest disruptive act would be to release large
> > > > quantities of roofing nails in the midst of rush hour traffic in
> > Boston,
> > > > New York, Washington DC, Atlanta, Dallas, Chicago, Los Angeles, San
> > > > Francisco. You get the picture: thousands and thousands of cars
> > disabled
> > > > with flat tires blocking the main arteries for days.
>
> > > > Before some reader accuses me of giving terrorists ideas, ask yourself
> > if
> > > > you really think people so clever as to have allegedly planned and
> > carried
> > > > out 9/11 couldn't think of such simple tactics, plots that could be
> > carried
> > > > out without having to defeat security or kill innocent people?  My
> > point
> > > > isn't what terrorists, if they exist, should do. The point is that the
> > > > absence of easy-to-do acts of terrorism suggests that the terrorist
> > threat
> > > > is more hype than reality. Yet, we have an expensive, intrusive
> > security
> > > > apparatus that seems to have no real function except to exercise power
> > over
> > > > American citizens.
>
> > > > In place of real terrorists carrying out easy plots, we have
> > "terrorist"
> > > > plots dreamed up by FBI and CIA agents, who then recruit some hapless
> > or
> > > > demented dupes, bribing them with money and heroic images of
> > themselves,
> > > > and supplying them with the plot and fake explosives. These are called
> > > > "sting operations," but they are not. They are orchestrations by our
> > own
> > > > security agencies that produce fake terrorist plots that are then
> > "foiled"
> > > > by the
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