of rights, patriot act, 4th and 5th amendments and even magna carta
principles.
Many Americans don't understand the relationship between local, state,
federal, and military authority.
If thinking that our authorities should have all the resources they
need to combat terrorism makes me a moonbat then keep calling me a
moonbat.
On Dec 26, 6:28 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just in case you missed it:
>
> *(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
> (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in
> military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the
> United States.
> *
> On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Good Morning.
>
> > I am genuinely hoping that you will respond to this post. As a side note,
> > last week, we had Crackpots and Moonbats claiming that this piece of
> > legislation, (which is renewed every year since 1961, with various
> > modifications) was setting up camps to imprison American citizens, (I
> > assume Ron Paul supporters) until level heads pointed out to these
> > Moonbats and Crackpots that the legislation didn't say anything of the
> > sort.
>
> > What in particular, are you, and others who oppose this legislation,
> > opposed to? Here is the section that you reference, (which by the way,
> > does not say what you claim it says). I suggest that all of the Moonbats,
> > and all of the Crackpots read the legislation before they listen to other
> > Crackpots and Moonbats, and get their proverbial panties in a wad:
>
> > Subtitle D--Counterterrorism
>
> > SEC. 1021. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED
> > STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF
> > MILITARY FORCE.
>
> > (a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President
> > to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization
> > for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40; 50 U.S.C. 1541 note) includes
> > the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered
> > persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of
> > war.
>
> > (b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person
> > as follows:
>
> > (1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the
> > terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those
> > responsible for those attacks.
>
> > (2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda,
> > the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against
> > the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has
> > committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in
> > aid of such enemy forces.
>
> > (c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under
> > the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
>
> > (1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the
> > hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
>
> > (2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as
> > amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law
> > 111-84)).
>
> > (3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal
> > having lawful jurisdiction.
>
> > (4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of
> > origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
>
> > (d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or
> > expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for
> > Use of Military Force.
>
> > (e) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect
> > existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States
> > citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons
> > who are captured or arrested in the United States.
>
> > (f) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense
> > shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority
> > described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and
> > individuals considered to be `covered persons' for purposes of subsection
> > (b)(2).
>
> > SEC. 1022. MILITARY CUSTODY FOR FOREIGN AL-QAEDA TERRORISTS.
>
> > (a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-
>
> > (1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces
> > of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is
> > captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for
> > Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending
> > disposition under the law of war.
>
> > (2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to
> > any person whose detention is authorized under section 1021 who is
> > determined--
>
> > (A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force
> > that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
>
> > (B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an
> > attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition
> > partners.
>
> > (3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the
> > disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in
> > section 1021(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph
> > (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements
> > of section 1028.
>
> > (4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The President may waive the
> > requirement of paragraph (1) if the President submits to Congress a
> > certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security
> > interests of the United States.
>
> > (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
>
> > (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in
> > military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the
> > United States.
>
> > (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in
> > military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident
> > alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the
> > United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the
> > United States.
>
> > (c) Implementation Procedures-
>
> > (1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment
> > of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures
> > for implementing this section.
>
> > (2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall
> > include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:
>
> > (A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make
> > determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such
> > determinations are to be made.
>
> > (B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody
> > under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing
> > surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already
> > in the custody or control of the United States.
>
> > (C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2)
> > is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an
> > interrogation which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and
> > does not require the interruption of any such ongoing interrogation.
>
> > (D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody
> > under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement,
> > or other Government officials of the United States are granted access to an
> > individual who remains in the custody of a third country.
>
> > (E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security
> > interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of
> > transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in
> > the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.
>
> > (d) Authorities- Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect
> > the existing criminal enforcement and national security authorities of the
> > Federal Bureau of Investigation or any other domestic law enforcement
> > agency with regard to a covered person, regardless whether such covered
> > person is held in military custody.
>
> > (e) Effective Date- This section shall take effect on the date that is
> > 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with
> > respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the
> > custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that
> > effective date.
>
> > On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:45 AM, Constitutional.Reset <
> > constitutional.re...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Yes, A Very Merry Christmas! The remembrance of close friends in high
> >> places is right on time - We need the guidance, courage and help.
> >> There is lower business that needs attending.
>
> >> While there is still time, Please ask BHO to veto the H.R.1540, AKA
> >> NDAA & 'Indefinite Citizen Imprisonment w/o Trial Act' legislation for
> >> cause of its provisions not pursuant to our US Constitution in:
> >> "Subtitle D. SEC. 1021 (c)(1)Detention under the law of war without
> >> trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization
> >> for the Use of Military Force" where covered persons are defined by
> >> the administration's assignment of guilty status not by properly
> >> sufficient evidence in a proper civilian court of law - the option to
> >> apply that to US Citizens is retained by omission of the exclusion.
> >> See Subtitle D. SEC. 1022 (b)(1)
> >> ===========================
> >> Contact BHO at
>
> >>http://www.whitehouse.gov/webform/comment-legislation?billname=H.R.+1...
> >> View legislation pending a POTUS signature (non-void) at
>
> ...
>
> read more »
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