Re: Immigration and Misplaced Blame

You remain confused.

To Secure (natural) rights ... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

Governments are created to secure (natural) rights.
You want Government to VIOLATE (natural) rights ... and then insert some nonsense about voting and map lines.
INSTEAD of securing (natural) rights, you want Government to extend and withhold permission -- which has NOTHING to do with the Declaration et al.

Regard$,
--MJ

A right is the sanction of independent action. A right is that which can be exercised without anyone's permission. If you exist only because society permits you to exist, you have no right to your own life. A permission can be revoked at any time. If, before undertaking some action, you must obtain the permission of society -- you are not free, whether such permission is granted to you or not. Only a slave acts on permission. A permission is not a right. -- Alyssa Rosenbaum






At 04:47 PM 11/7/2011, you wrote:

Hey MJ'..... It's right HERE:

That to secure these rights,
Governments are instituted among Men,,,,,,,,,,,,deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed


Foreign nationals are not "Governed" nor can they "Vote".  Please read and heed the Documents you try to quote.





On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:57 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

At 12:26 PM 11/4/2011, you wrote:

 MJ says:  They argue that we can't have people circumventing the

system because it undermines the rule of law. But laws are legitimate

only when they protect the natural rights of others.

Laws are designed to protect the natural rights of that countries

citizens... Definitely NOT "natural rights of others."

Where was THAT portion of the Declaration?

Regard$,

--MJ

It is a very dangerous doctrine to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions. It is one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. ... The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments coequal and cosovereign within themselves. -- Thomas Jefferson to Jarvis, 1820

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