Re: Biggest Losers in Palestine Veto? The American People

Not only does "Palestine" refuse to recognize Israel, their charter
calls for its destruction.
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that's israel's problem ... not ours

the US interventionist policy must end

On Sep 26, 7:50 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The UN CREATED Israel.  Truman and Stalin jumped on board, and that
> was that.
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> Not only does "Palestine" refuse to recognize Israel, their charter
> calls for its destruction.
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> Good veto
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> On Sep 24, 12:14 pm, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > By the same token, Israel is against the United Nations acknowledging
> > Palestine as a Nation-State....Uhm....The same mechanism that Israel was
> > acknowledged.
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> > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 4:18 PM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
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> > > So much for republicans being the Zionistas, eh?  Maybe Rahm should
> > > have been a clue.
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> > > "Palestine", wants to be recognized as a state, while refusing to
> > > recognize Israel as a state.  Okey dokey.
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> > > Bravo Mr President
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> > > On Sep 24, 5:51 am, Moe <coates...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > The biggest threat is the undermining of the representatives in the
> > > > Congress when it comes to decisions that affect the policies of the
> > > > United States. I was surprised to see a clip with Wolf Blitzer and
> > > > Netanyahu discussing the fact that during the speech of Netanyahu
> > > > before the Congress various Israeli politicians were sitting together
> > > > with American representatives to influence their voting. Blitzer asked
> > > > Netanyahu if this was correct and how would an Israeli react if Joe
> > > > Walsh sat in the parliament of Israel to assure that Israel walk the
> > > > line to American interest. Netanyahu said in a joking manner that he
> > > > has no control over the politicians in Israel. Netanyahu has gone so
> > > > far as to threaten various politicians about their re-election if they
> > > > did not pull the Israeli line. It is clear to everyone who can think,
> > > > Israel can do what it wants to disrupt the balance in the region. For
> > > > any mistake made then the USA will be called to bail Israel out. This
> > > > means US Taxpayers and members of the US Armed Forces will pay the
> > > > bill. This payment will be in the form of taxpayer's money and lives.
> > > > United States pays Israel 3.5 Billion Dollars per year in support.
> > > > They pay Palestine 500 million dollars a year.  America does not have
> > > > this money.  We should be investing in the USA. Look at the increased
> > > > costs due to securing the American interests on a worldwide basis.
> > > > American taxpayers cover the increased costs and the host countries
> > > > pay their part. After Obama took office, USA has reduced threats. Due
> > > > to recent actions by Israel, the threat level has increased for all of
> > > > America´s allies in addition to that of the US.
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> > > > Israel is looking at Iran. Israel might take action to destroy these
> > > > plants. They have asked or oppressed the US for F-18s and the armament
> > > > to destroy the nuclear plants in Iran. Israel has received addition
> > > > armaments and cooperation from the United States to the level where
> > > > the interest of the United States are in question. Look at the case of
> > > > F-15 plans that Israel received from the United States. After USA
> > > > terminated the project, Israel then sold the plans to China. China
> > > > then had a great technological leap forward with their efforts to gain
> > > > American military expertise. Look at the spying cases of Jewish
> > > > Americans and the attempts to free the convicted individuals by
> > > > putting pressure on Congress members.
> > > > If you look at the Israeli population in Israel, 800.000 of their
> > > > register citizens are living in the United States. How many of
> > > > Israel's citizens are living else where due to the daily risk. The
> > > > amount of money made is tremendous for selling homes to Israelis in
> > > > who have USA, as their first address. Another case is the cheaper
> > > > access to the American market for medical devices and software
> > > > products. This costs the average American not only his job but also
> > > > increase taxes for services he is not getting. What is it costing us
> > > > for a government that has more interest in appeasing Israel and not
> > > > supporting the infrastructure of the United States? How many American
> > > > lives will be spend for any of the foolish steps that Israel might
> > > > take in the region? What are the additional costs to Europe and the
> > > > United States due to the Israeli failed action with the Turkish aid
> > > > ships? What is the cost of an American Congress that is more
> > > > interested in supporting Israel's follies than that of support the
> > > > interests of the American people?
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> > > > On Sep 23, 2:26 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
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> > > > > Biggest Losers in Palestine Veto? The American PeoplebyPhilip Giraldi,
> > > September 22, 2011
> > > > > If the Palestinian application for United Nations full membership
> > > actually takes place Friday and the United States uses its Security Council
> > > veto to stop the process, it will be the final step in a predictable and
> > > preventable tragedy playing out. Some are arguing that Washington might
> > > actually abstain, thereby gaining considerable favorable sentiment from much
> > > of the world and also sending a signal to Israel that there are limits to
> > > the bilateral relationship. But it is far more likely that President Barack
> > > Obama, who has stated over and over that he will protect Israel in
> > > international forums, will not flinch when he calls on Susan Rice to cast
> > > the fatal vote. Any expectation that the president might hesitate either
> > > because it is the right thing to do or because it benefits the United States
> > > is fanciful, particularly with a presidential election looming in 2012.
> > > > > Washington's attempts to "mediate" the situation have really been
> > > limited to pressuring the Palestinians to back off. Sending National
> > > Security Council officialDennis Ross, "Israel's lawyer," to Ramallah to talk
> > > around the Palestinian leadership should, if anything, indicate to the
> > > Palestinians that Washington is, as it always has been, firmly in the
> > > Israeli corner. So let us assume that Palestine will feel compelled to seek
> > > full U.N. membership as the world's 194th nation and that Washington will
> > > then veto the application. The first question then has to be whether the
> > > entire process had any meaning at all or it was just kabuki, a stylized show
> > > played out to an appreciative audience with a predictable ending. The short
> > > answer is that the Palestinians will certainly be on the losing end as they
> > > have been for more than 60 years but the real losers will be the United
> > > States and Israel.
> > > > > The mainstream media has echoed Israeli and American arguments that
> > > Palestinian statehood is meaningless without a negotiated settlement of
> > > issues on the ground. But Israel has made it clear that it has no desire to
> > > negotiate anything while it continues to occupy the West Bank, so the
> > > Palestinian choice is to accept the status quo, in which it is powerless and
> > > voiceless, or attempt to line up the international community more solidly
> > > behind it and shift the playing field.
> > > > > Israel has been working hard to stop the process, or, at worst, to
> > > mitigate its impact by having a number of important nations, mostly in
> > > Europe, either abstain on the vote or vote no. Prime Minister Benjamin
> > > Netanyahu made a glad-handtourof European capitals earlier this year with
> > > that express purpose, and he received positive signals from the Italians,
> > > the Dutch, the Poles, and the Germans, though it is by no means clear how
> > > they will vote. It was for Israel a top national priority, which it has
> > > conveyed clearly to its friends in the United States.
> > > > > Washington, at the urging of Israel, also joined in the effort,
> > > starting withwarningslate last year to Latin American nations that
> > > recognizing Palestine as a state would be "unacceptable." More recently, the
> > > State Department and the White House have repeatedly expressed their desire
> > > that the Palestinians shelve their plans to seek a U.N. seat, and they have
> > > been assiduously working both in front of the TV cameras in New York and
> > > Washington and behind the scenes to convince the Palestinian leadership to
> > > cease and desist. The dialogue has been given some teeth by Congress, which
> > > is determined tocut all aidto Palestine if the U.N. action goes through. One
> > > congressmen, Joe Walsh of Illinois, is preparing amotionthat will provide
> > > congressional support for an Israeli annexation of much of the West Bank if
> > > the Palestinians proceed. Walsh describes Palestinian statehood as
> > > "absolutely outrageous."
> > > > > So Israel sees the Palestinian plan as a major threat and the United
> > > States appears to be on board, but many would reasonably observe that Israel
> > > often cries wolf and greatly exaggerates what it perceives as threats
> > > against it. Is that true in this case, making it just another instance where
> > > Tel Aviv is adopting an extreme position in hopes that Washington will
> > > deliver the goods? It may not be. Israel sees danger precisely because the
> > > Palestinian bid will do a couple of things that call into question some
> > > significant aspects of the status quo. First of all, since it will certainly
> > > pass with a huge majority in the General Assembly if the Palestinians opt to
> > > go that route, it will provide overwhelming international confirmation of
> > > Palestinian rights with the U.S. and Israel standing on the wrong side on
> > > the issue. It will also severely undermine Israel's moral position, such as
> > > it is, and emphasize the illegality of the Israeli occupation of parts of
> > > the West Bank. The process is already illegal in the eyes of the rest of the
> > > world, including the United States, but it will be even less tenable if a
> > > convincing majority of the
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