Re: Gay marriage support knocks 3 Iowa justices off the bench after spiteful campaign against them

Hello Mustang,

 

I agree that there is a conundrum, and a number of issues (e.g.; problems);  some of which you addressed,  with government involved in "marriage".  See Divorce.

 

Having said that, why is it that you believe, that by somehow making compound mistakes by changing the definition of marriage, this  would somehow resolve or "fix" the current problem(s)?   How would acknowledging homosexuals who have a civil union, (which I openly admit are what many heterosexual marriages are)  would somehow "Fix" everything? 

 

Why is it that you choose to take a definition that is sacred to many, with religious and ecclesiastical connotations, and somehow force this definition upon yourselves, and portray something that has been sacred for millennia, as something that homosexuals now want to embrace and adhere to?   Is this not something that you are attempting to force the rest of society to accept, whether we like it, or don't like it?

 

Metals don't "marry"; that is an analogy.   Metals are either welded or soldered, in the world of metallurgy......

 

   

 

 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:19 PM, MJ <michaelj@america.net> wrote:

Yep.
If people REALLY want to 'protect marriage' (whatever that means), they would do everything they could to OUST the Government from the entire argument.
The problem is that it is the Government provided advantage that is the 'rub' AND why in the end those 'protecting' will ultimately lose.

Regard$,
--MJ

"If a politician found he had cannibals among his constituents, he would promise them missionaries for dinner" -- H. L. Mencken.

At 04:14 PM 11/5/2010, you wrote:

all benefits, rights, protection of tangible and intangible properties; again with a few documents, I can remedy, fix, guarantee, make right, and protect.

A couple years ago, a lesbian couple and their children were about to take a Caribbean cruise leaving from Miami.  They had all the necessary paperwork with them - power of attorney, health care, "Civil Union," etc.  One woman became ill and was hospitalized.  The partner and children were denied any contact with the patient because they were deemed non-relative.  The partner presented all the documentation and she was told "You're in Florida now."  When the woman died, it was without the physical presence and emotional comfort of her family.

If two metals can be married, why can't two people?  Who officiates?  Must it be performed in a House of Worship?  Do the metals need a marriage license beforehand and get a certificate after the ceremony?

If "marriage" is a religious rite, how come it requires a license from the government?  How come certain people are allowed to practice a marriage rite and others are refused the right to the rite? 

Is a common law marriage from one state recognized in all the other states? Would a utility bill in both names be acceptable as proof?  What if opposite gender roommates have recreational carnal knowledge, are they considered married?

The way many heterosexuals do it, holy matrimony with its vows (until death do us part) seems to be the first step to divorce.  Similar to washing hair, they repeat the sacred ritual.


From: Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com>
To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, November 5, 2010 6:25:36 AM
Subject: Re: Gay marriage support knocks 3 Iowa justices off the bench after spiteful campaign against them

Other than your support for "Gay Marriage",  I tend to agree with you Greg.  We have discussed this a good bit here, (you were hanging out across the street when we did...<Grin>!)  but in a nutshell, the only thing that I could not change for two individuals who choose to cohabitate as a couple;  today, as the laws currently are, with just a few documents, is the Federal Tax Code.
 
Other than that, all benefits, rights, protection of tangible and intangible properties; again with a few documents, I can remedy, fix, guarantee, make right, and protect.
 
 

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 9:19 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com > wrote:

I happen to support gay marriage.  I also live in Massachusetts, where

it was the courts that validated gay marriage too (but our judges are

not elected).  For the record, it was DEMOCRATS who shat themselves

over that ruling, and attempted to change the state constitution to

overrule it.

The real issue is that states acknowledging gay marriage is basically

meaningless until the fed does, and the fed does NOT.  4 years of a

dem congress, 2 of which with a dem president, and the ever so

tolerant ones haven't lifted a finger on DOMA - a dem law as well -

and that includes Massachusetts' very own, and proudly gay, Barney

Frank.

Right here, we have Dean Hara, married to former congressman Gerry

Studds (D-MA).  Gerry died.  Dean applied for his pension and benefits

from his departed spouse.  The fed said, "Not a fucking dime, you were

never married".

And Barney and his tolerant friends are still mum.

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