Well Well Well!!! Look who walked in the door!!!
Hello Lobo!! Good to see ya! I hope you have been doing well, and as stated, it is really damn good to see ya over here on this side of the street! We've missed you, and logical thinking folks from the left of center here lately.
Unfortunately, your last missive was far from logical or thoughtful.
I don't know much about this minister in Gainesville, I've only seen him on CNN, FOX and BBC, but he looks like a transplant from trailer park in Ohio, (and I note that he doesn't have a southern accent). I also note that the mainstream media has done everything that they can do to besmirch this minister, and maybe rightfully so.
As I wrote in another thread, I don't recall ever seeing such a media outcry, much less an Army General come out and condemn something like this. It is as if we are fearful of Islam, and potential repercussions from what the government and the mainstream media like to call, "radical fundamentalists".
Unfortunately, that just isn't the case.
To date, I have seen no one from the left, or our federal government, come out and condemn Islam, and any thinking person, as well as all governments, should come out and condemn Islam. Unlike Christianity and Judaism, which have reformed literally countless times over the last milennium, Islam has never reformed.
If a Christian denomination chose to sacrifice the vestal virgins at the alter in the name of God, or Jesus, this would be condemned, but more importantly, outlawed.
If a Jewish Synagogue, (or any Christian Church) chose to start utilizing peyote or marijuana in order to communicate with God, again, this would be condemned and outlawed. (There are numerous examples of the latter)
Yet Islam can call for the taxation, and eventually the murder and violent brutal death of anyone who refuses to accept and believe in Mohammud as the true prohet.
Islam allows for prostitution, it allows for men to take four wives, (and a fifth wife for thirty minutes or so at their whim); and the total subservience of women to their husbands and their families. In other words, women in Islam are treated as chattel.
Those Muslims who are considered to be "moderate" are in for the same fate as us who do not accept Mohammud as the true prophet; they too are infidels.
There are numerous examples of how Islam is in violation of numerous federal and state laws in the United States, yet we continue to uphold this cult as a legitimate religion.
I beg to differ, until such time as Islam reforms, every Mosque should be shut down within the United States, and every individual who is not a citizen of the United States who claims to be Muslim should be deported.
There is nothing at all bigoted about this statement. There is nothing at all violative of anyone's First Amendment rights contained within my statement. This is merely even handed justice, yet no one from the current Administration, (or the previous Administration!) has the cajones to do what is right, and called for.
No, I have no problem with this Minister burning Qu'rans, despite how misguided he may be. Your premise that those who are purportedly bigoted and "world class assholes" should be held publicly and morally accountble, I suggest should be applied also to those who refuse to stand up to Islam, and call a "spade a spade" or maybe better said, "Call Islam what it really is"; which is a cult which practices illcit activities.
Again, good to see ya Lobo!!
KeithInTampa
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Lobo <randall_w@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Before burning a Koran -- especially the way these rightwing asswipes
want to do it -- a bookburner should either sign up to put his own
cowardly hide on the line in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc, or have a loved
one go over there.
Perhaps then he wouldn't so readily put the lives of American
servicemen and women in danger for the momentary Nazi-like thrill of
burning someone else's holy book.
If people choose to be ignorant, hate-filled bigots and world-class
assholes, that is their Constitutional right. But they ought to be
held morally and publicly accountable for what they do.
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> Before burning a koran one should have a dog urinate on it. It slows the
> burn a bit and takes the muzzieshit smell out.
>
>
>> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > *Burning the Quran is like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.
> > Afghanistan and Iraq are the theaters crowded with American soldiers. Pastor
> > Terry Jones is waiting for a "clear message from God" to call off this book
> > burning on Saturday 9-11. Lets hope God speaks up, or that Pastor Jones
> > thinks he did. -T*
>
> > Clinton slams Florida pastor for 'disgraceful' plans
> > By *the CNN Wire Staff*
> > September 8, 2010 12:23 p.m. EDT
> > [image: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she thinks we "have a
> > real shot" at successful Middle East peace talks.]
> > Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said she thinks we "have a real shot" at
> > successful Middle East peace talks.
> > *STORY HIGHLIGHTS*
>
> > - Hillary Clinton speaks before Council on Foreign Relations
> > - Clinton slams Bush's fiscal record, saying irresponsibility harms
> > U.S. security
> > - She urges Senate passage of the START nuclear arms reduction treaty
> > - Clinton says sanctions against Iran are starting to take hold
>
> > *RELATED TOPICS*
>> > - Hillary Clinton <http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Hillary_Clinton>> > - Islam <http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Islam>
> > - Foreign Policy <http://topics.cnn.com/topics/Foreign_Policy>
> > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/>>
> > *Washington (CNN)* -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a foreign
> > policy talk to weigh in on hot-button political issues Wednesday, slamming a
> > Florida pastor for his "disgraceful" plan to burn the Quran and strongly
> > criticizing George W. Bush's fiscal record.
>
> > Clinton warned about the long-term consequences of rising federal budget
> > deficits, arguing that they will eventually diminish U.S. power and impair
> > America's ability to act effectively in the global arena.
>
> > Her remarks came during an appearance before the nonpartisan Council on
> > Foreign Relations.
>
> > Clinton noted that Terry Jones, the Florida pastor, is the head of a small
> > congregation and said she wished that his plans to burn the Quran on the
> > anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks hadn't attracted so much
> > media attention. But sadly, "that's the world we live in right now," she
> > said.
>
> > Jones' plans could harm U.S. troops, she asserted, echoing a recent warning
> > from Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan.
>
> > The pastor's plan doesn't represent broader American views on Islam,
> > Clinton declared. "It's not who we are," she said.
>
> > Clinton also slammed Jones' plans on Tuesday night at a State Department
> > dinner in honor of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
>
> > Jones has rebuffed pleas to call off the event, saying that radical
> > Islamists are the target of his message.
>
> > On fiscal matters, Clinton had harsh words for Bush. Cutting taxes while
> > fighting wars in Afghanistan and Iraq without paying for them was a "deadly
> > combination" in terms of "fiscal sanity," she said.
>
> > "Responsible" authorities on fiscal matters "are not being heard right
> > now," she warned. "There is no free lunch, and we can't pretend that there
> > is ... without doing great harm" to the country.
>
> > Republicans have tried to turn the tables on Democrats in recent months on
> > the issue of fiscal responsibility, arguing that the administration's fiscal
> > stimulus plans have significantly added to the national debt while failing
> > to effectively restore economic growth.
>
> > Clinton also expressed frustration with the treatment of sensitive foreign
> > policy issues in domestic politics, urging a partisan "détente" that cuts
> > "across the partisan divide."
>
> > Among other things, she cited the START nuclear arms reduction treaty,
> > which is slated to be taken up by the Senate in September but faces
> > significant opposition among key Republicans.
>
> > The treaty has become a "political issue," she said, but "I wish it
> > weren't." The accord is seen in Europe as an important symbol of America's
> > commitment to work with Russia, she said.
>
> > Turning to the Middle East, Clinton said she thinks we "have a real shot"
> > at a successful conclusion to the new Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.
>
> > On efforts to block Iran's nuclear program, Clinton said the United States
> > believes Tehran "is beginning to feel the full impact" of recently imposed
> > sanctions.
>
> > "International financial and commercial sectors are ... starting to
> > recognize the risks of doing business with Iran," she told the Council on
> > Foreign Relations.
>
> > Sanctions "are the building blocks of leverage for a negotiated solution,"
> > she said. "We will see how Iran decides."
>
> > The United States has repeatedly lobbied other nations to step up sanctions
> > against Iran. The European Union, Canada, Japan and South Korea are among
> > those that have done so.
>
> > Iran, however, is continuing its uranium enrichment activities in defiance
> > of U.N. Security Council resolutions, according to a report released Monday
> > by the International Atomic Energy Agency.
>
> > Iran has rebuffed international demands to halt its uranium enrichment
> > program, saying it wants the nuclear fuel for peaceful uses. IAEA officials,
> > however, have not been convinced.
> > More:
> >http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/08/clinton.foreign.policy/
>
> > --
> > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > Have a great day,
> > Tommy
>
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