of UN Charter and international law.
They seem to forget that he said the same thing about Kosovo, yet we
went in anyway.
On Jan 18, 7:24 am, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Keithie keithie keithie
>
> your reich wing meanie
>
> how can Miss Hillary be expected to know who to support when crazy reich
> wing t baggers are shooting at her in Yugoslavia on the tarmac because Sarah
> Palin put a target on Bosnia!
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > One other interesting observation. I have had the opportunity to discuss
> > "America" with a number of Europeans in the last two weeks, predominately
> > Germans, but all of whom believe that the United States clearly backed the,
> > "Wrong Side" in 1998 and should have in fact supported the Serbs. There is
> > no question now, that the ousting of Slobodan Milosovic was a tragic
> > mistake, and we besmirched this good man's name with allegations of
> > genocide, when in fact, just the opposite was true.
>
> > On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> Sherrie Gossett is very astute:
>
> >> *"By election day, national polls indicated 60 percent of voters believed
> >> that the war had not improved the long-term security of the U.S., and 55
> >> percent thought that the U.S. should pull some or all of its troops from
> >> Iraq. The Democrats worked to further the discontent and clearly profited by
> >> it.*
> >> **
> >> *Senator Clinton cited the American military campaigns in Bosnia and
> >> Kosovo as models of foreign engagements that she favored on moral and
> >> strategic grounds.*
>
> >> *"I am a strong proponent of a national defense that is smart," she told
> >> CNN in August 2004. "What we need to be focused on is which president is
> >> more likely to make decisions that will achieve our objectives with putting
> >> the least amount of lives at risk," she said, adding, "You know, we were
> >> successful in Kosovo—and we didn't lose a single American military person."
> >> *
>
> >> *That view has been echoed by many other Democrats and some Republicans,
> >> too. Praising the Kosovo operations, former president Bill Clinton has even
> >> suggested that, under a Democrat administration, more such operations may be
> >> on the way."*
>
> >> **
> >> *============*
> >> **
> >> So, what Secretary of State Clinton means, is that she sees nothing wrong
> >> with American military might being used as a ruse, for instance, in
> >> diverting the American public's interests away from improprieties in the
> >> White House, such as covering up cum stains on an intern's dress......As
> >> long as we've got that covered.....(or uncovered....)
>
> >> **
>
> >> **
>
> >> On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 8:56 AM, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> The Democrats' Model War
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> >>> January 2007 --The 2006 U.S. elections, which put the Democrats in charge
> >>> of the House and Senate, were widely described in media as a referendum on
> >>> the Iraq war. Intense media scrutiny had resulted in critical reports on
> >>> pre-war intelligence, the decision-making process that preceded the war, the
> >>> postwar plan, and an unfolding civil war.
>
> >>> Books with titles such as *Fiasco*,* Imperial Hubris*, and *Colossus*described
> >>> an America in denial of imperial ambitions that were destined to fail. Their
> >>> authors and others ascribed to the U.S. such motives as arrogance and a
> >>> willful refusal to learn from history. They characterized American foreign
> >>> policy as an effort to impose democracy at gunpoint upon cultures either
> >>> lacking democracy's fundamental precursors or just plain unwilling to abide
> >>> by them. Prior to the election, Americans also heard multiple media reports
> >>> of the worst unintended consequence of the war: the multiplying of the ranks
> >>> of terrorists.
>
> >>> By election day, national polls indicated 60 percent of voters believed
> >>> that the war had not improved the long-term security of the U.S., and 55
> >>> percent thought that the U.S. should pull some or all of its troops from
> >>> Iraq. The Democrats worked to further the discontent and clearly profited by
> >>> it.
>
> >>> However, if the election was a vote of no confidence in the
> >>> administration's conduct of the war in Iraq, it left unanswered the question
> >>> of what the Democrats would view as an appropriate use of American military
> >>> force in the world. It's a question most Democrats have preferred to dodge,
> >>> but they have given us some disquieting clues.
> >>> What would Democrats view as an appropriate use of American military
> >>> force?
>
> >>> Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, the front-runner in national polls for
> >>> the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, has said openly what many
> >>> Democrats think: Democrats go to war for the right reasons and prosecute war
> >>> more successfully. Prior to the 2000 presidential election, Senator Clinton
> >>> cited the American military campaigns in Bosnia and Kosovo as models of
> >>> foreign engagements that she favored on moral and strategic grounds.
>
> >>> "I am a strong proponent of a national defense that is smart," she told
> >>> CNN in August 2004. "What we need to be focused on is which president is
> >>> more likely to make decisions that will achieve our objectives with putting
> >>> the least amount of lives at risk," she said, adding, "You know, we were
> >>> successful in Kosovo—and we didn't lose a single American military person."
>
> >>> That view has been echoed by many other Democrats and some Republicans,
> >>> too. Praising the Kosovo operations, former president Bill Clinton has even
> >>> suggested that, under a Democrat administration, more such operations may be
> >>> on the way.
>
> >>> So, what are these "objectives" that Senator Clinton alluded to? What
> >>> would future war-fighting look like according to the Clinton doctrine? One
> >>> has only to look at Kosovo to see the blueprint and organizing principle
> >>> behind what could become the long-term future of U.S. foreign policy under
> >>> the Democrats.
> >>> A Disputed Land
>
> >>> Approximately the size of Connecticut, Kosovo is a province within the
> >>> Republic of Serbia, an Eastern European country that controls one of the
> >>> major land routes from Western Europe to Turkey and the Near East. Like the
> >>> rest of what used to be Yugoslavia, Kosovo had a rich mix of ethnic groups
> >>> and different nationalities. Ethnic Albanians, who are predominantly Muslim,
> >>> make up the majority of a population of around two million. The presence of
> >>> many Albanian Muslims and the Ottoman Turks over the centuries has left a
> >>> countryside dotted with mosques. Meanwhile, the predominantly Orthodox
> >>> Christian Serbs form the largest minority group. For them, Kosovo—home of
> >>> the Patriarchate of Peć, the equivalent of the Vatican for Orthodox
> >>> Christianity—is the center of their religious and national identity, both
> >>> their Jerusalem and their Alamo. Other minorities present include the
> >>> Montenegrins, Turks, Croats, Ashkali, Roma (Gypsies), and Muslim Slavs.
>
> >>> In previous centuries, the Serbs had been the most populous group in
> >>> Kosovo, but over the years were driven out in large numbers. One reason was
> >>> brutal treatment during World War II, when Nazi and Italian troops invaded
> >>> Yugoslavia. Kosovo Albanians sided with the Axis Powers, helped raise an SS
> >>> *Skanderbeg *division, and began a systematic slaughter and ethnic
> >>> cleansing of Serbs, Jews, and other minorities. The fact that Albanians in
> >>> the 1980s had the highest birth rate in Europe also contributed to the
> >>> fateful demographic shift.
> >>> Yugoslavia , Post-Tito
>
> >>> In the aftermath of World War II, Yugoslavia became a socialist successor
> >>> state to the monarchic Kingdom of Yugoslavia, formed after World War I.
> >>> Under Marshal Tito, Yugoslavia's many ethnic, national, and religious groups
> >>> were held in check with an iron hand and cynical machinations, which
> >>> included playing one ethnic group against another. So it's not surprising
> >>> that in the power vacuum created when Tito died on May 4, 1980, thousands of
> >>> students poured into the streets of Kosovo's capital, Pristina, demanding
> >>> that Kosovo be made an independent republic. News outlets and analysts
> >>> reported that some Albanians wanted republic status so that they could
> >>> secede and become part of neighboring Albania, then the most orthodox
> >>> Communist country in the region.
>
> >>> As this movement spread, a ruthless crackdown from Belgrade followed. In
> >>> 1981, Albanian riots broke out and were put down violently by Yugoslav
> >>> forces. Kosovo came under virtual military rule, with curfews and other
> >>> emergency measures provoking more resentment. The discontent was compounded
> >>> by a country-wide financial crisis. Despite large-scale national investment
> >>> in Kosovo, and the fact that the province received the lion's share of all
> >>> federal aid in the country,
>
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