NO BODY EXCUSED BY ISLAM HOLY QURAN NEITHR PM NOR PRESIDENT. I WISH HOPE AND REQUEST TO SUPREME COURT
PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE ISLAMIC TEACHINGS.
http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1101429397
Friday, January 20, 2012
Re: NDAA 2012
And who gets to decide who a 'bad guy' is
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the authorities
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the authorities
On Jan 17, 11:41 am, "Fritz" <fjm...@usa.net> wrote:
> And who gets to decide who a 'bad guy' is and for how long? What's the
> Franklin quote to the effect that he who places security over liberty will
> have neither.
> Fritz
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
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> [mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of plainolamerican
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:32 AM
> To: PoliticalForum
> Subject: Re: NDAA 2012
>
> our authorities should have everything they need to catch the bad guys,
> including the ability to apprehend and detain threats as necessary, citizen
> or non-citizen
>
> On Jan 16, 7:51 pm, Daniel Seigler <danielseig...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Gentlemen,
>
> > As you should know, President Obama signed into Law the National
> Defense Authorization Act of 2012 which contained language that would
> violate both the American sense of justice and the Constitutions of both
> Oregon (Article I, Sections 10, 12, 14, 22, 23, 27 as available on the
> Leg.state.ore website) and the United States of America (Article I, Section
> 9, paragraph 2, Amendment IV, Amendment V, Amendment VI, and Amendment IX).
> > According to WND.com's Bob Unruh, Representative Daniel P. Gordon Jr.
> of Rhode Island has proposed "a resolution to exempt his constituents from
> sections of the federal law." And you are doing what to protect your
> constituents from an over-reaching Federal Government?
>
> > sign me
> > daniel karl seigler, born in Fort Benning, Cussetta County, Georgia,
> > son of Clarance Roland O'Neil Seigler, born in Ozark, Dale County,
> > Alabama, son of Thomas Malcolm Seigler, born somewhere in Alabama
>
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Re: who is more racist ... whites or minorities?
We need to
defuse racism, not exacerbate it.
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we need to expose those who use it to garner tax dollars
defuse racism, not exacerbate it.
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we need to expose those who use it to garner tax dollars
On Jan 17, 1:00 pm, "Fritz" <fjm...@usa.net> wrote:
> I agree with Mark- but the less said about it, the better. We need to
> defuse racism, not exacerbate it.
> Fritz
>
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> [mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of THE ANNOINTED ONE
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 10:48 AM
> To: PoliticalForum
> Subject: Re: who is more racist ... whites or minorities?
>
> Definitely the so called Minorities.
>
> On Jan 17, 12:04 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >http://www.businessinsider.com/dangerous-american-gangs-fbi-2011-11#
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Re: The Gingrich Doctrine: ‘Kill Them!’
Gingrich let loose with his war cry: " Kill them!" The yahoos went
wild with joy.
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that would be warmongering neocon yahoos
wild with joy.
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that would be warmongering neocon yahoos
On Jan 20, 6:33 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> The Gingrich Doctrine: 'Kill Them!'If ignorance is strength, most of the GOP candidates are powerhousesbyJustin Raimondo, January 18, 2012
> His hands on his ample hips, Newt Gingrich lookedlike Mussoliniup there on the stage at the GOP presidential debate as he bellowed "everybody knows" the Pakistanis were hiding Osama bin Laden in plain sight, "a mile from a Pakistani military academy." Ron Paul, who knows more about monetary policy than the intricacies of the US-Pakistani relationship, stood there looking appalled as Gingrich let loose with his war cry: "Kill them!" The yahooswent wildwith joy. The Newtster was reacting to Paul's point about respecting Pakistani sovereignty – and the dangers of allowing such cross-border raids to become routine. After all, that could work both ways, as Paul tried – in vain – to point out.
> The reality, though, is that the Pakistanis in all likelihooddidknow about the raid well in advance, and it is just as likely they had a hand in the entire operation from the start. As theGuardianreportedat the time:"The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaeda leader, theGuardianhas learned.
> "The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials."Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaeda No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.
> "'There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him,' said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. 'The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us.'"Good ol' Musharraf, the one loyal ally we had in the region – dumped by the US State Department for his lack of "democratic" credentials. More real al-Qaeda operatives werearrestedin Pakistan during his tenure than all the efforts of our FBI and CIA combined.
> In any case, it's just common sense the Pakistanis were in on the Abbottabad raid: after all, the Americans set up asafe housein what has been described as a "garrison town" – a feat next to impossible without the Pakistanis knowing about it. As one Pakistani senior officerpointed outto theGlobal Post, the airspace over Abbottabad is a no fly zone: there's no way the US could have pulled off the operation without the full knowledge and cooperation of the Pakistani military. The area around the bin Laden compound was cordoned off by the authorities in the hours prior to the raid, and residents were told to stay inside with their lights out.
> I don't know who's giving Rep. Paul his foreign policy talking points, but in discussions of foreign policyspecifics matter: you can deduce the basic principles of economics from self-evident axioms, as students ofAustrian economics[.pdf] know. However, you cannot do the same when making the case for a non-interventionist foreign policy. This is where empirical evidence is key to understanding what is really going on, as opposed to what our rulers want us to believe.
> Here's the kicker: the same people in the governmentpushingfor more strenuous and overt intervention in Pakistan know all about Musharraf's 2001 agreement with the US, yet they cynically promote the idea that Pakistan was hiding bin Laden in order to advance their own agenda. There are so many layers of deception masking the truth about American foreign policy that peeling them all back is the equivalent of the thirteenthlabor of Hercules.
> Speaking of Monday's Republican debate: if there is any limit to Rick Perry's stupidity, then I suspect we have yet to reach it. His statement that Turkey is ruled by "Islamic terrorists" and ought to be kicked out of NATO was applauded vigorously by the audience – the same audience thatbooed Paulwhen he invoked the Golden Rule. The only problem for Perry and his fans is that Turkey is a vital US ally, and is ruled not by "Islamic terrorists" but by amoderateand staunchlypro-WesternMuslim party democratically elected: the country boasts a modern economy with innumerableeconomicandpoliticalties to the West. Perry's is a gaffe that would normally disqualify its utterer from seeking office higher than alderman: not in today's GOP, however, where ignorance is an asset.
> The impetus for Perry's latest embarrassing faux pas was a leading question from Bret Baier, who appears to embody the lunkheaded viciousness that characterizes the "reporters" at Fox News. He certainly looks and sounds the part: the vacuous stare, the protruding ears like two little radar dishes scanning for targets, the propaganda thatpours outof his mouth as if a button were being pushed somewhere:"Governor Perry, since the Islamist-oriented party took over in Turkey, the murder rate of women has increased 1,400 percent there. Press freedom has declined to the level of Russia. The prime minister of Turkey has embraced Hamas and Turkey has threatened military force against both Israel and Cypress. [sic] Given Turkey's turn, do you believe Turkey still belongs in NATO?"To begin with, a grand total of 953 Turkish women were murdered in the first seven months of 2009, the last time period for which figures areavailable, up from 806 in 2008. The 1400 percent figure comes froma statementby the AKP justice ministerin which he measured the increase from 2002: if the "Islamist terrorists" who run the Turkish government are encouraging the murder of women, why would their own Justice Minister make this kind of statement?
> Secondly, if Senators Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham aretrying to convincethe Turks that only they can bring Hamas to the negotiating table, is Turkey's relationship with the rulers of Gaza a plus or a minus for US diplomatic efforts in the region? This is a question Gov. Perry is completely unprepared to ask, let alone answer.
> Perry isway out of his depth, and for him to be presented as a credible candidate for the presidency is a disgrace – and a minus for the GOP, which is hurting itself badly by allowing him to make a fool of himself at each and every debate. Of course, a Governor doesn't have to be an expert on the internal politics of Turkey: if only he'd stayed in Texas, he would have saved himself and his party a lot of trouble.
> Ignorance of such abstruse topics is not a moral failing – unless, that is, one is charged with making life-and-death decisions requiring this kind of specialized knowledge. In that case, it is highly doubtful anyone not immersed in the country one is concerned with could have sufficient understanding to even attempt to make such a decision.Friedrich Hayek, the free market economist, understood that central...
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Re: Hello Fritzie!
ditto
On Jan 19, 9:53 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good to see ya, and welcome back! Here's wishing you a prosperous and
> healthy 2012!
>
> KeithInTampa
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Re: Podcast interview re Iran w/ Amb. John W. Limbert
the U.S. is doing with regard to Iran amounts to a policy of
regime change, even if that is not what we say we want. He notes,
moreover, the contradiction in our condemnation of terrorism generally
with our seeming inability to describe the assassination of Iranian
scientists as terrorism
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imperialists beware!
regime change, even if that is not what we say we want. He notes,
moreover, the contradiction in our condemnation of terrorism generally
with our seeming inability to describe the assassination of Iranian
scientists as terrorism
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imperialists beware!
On Jan 20, 10:49 am, "georgeken...@gmail.com" <georgeken...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Posted this morning at Electric Politics, a podcast interview about
> Iran with Ambassador John W. Limbert. The Ambassador was the first
> ever Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Iran in 2009, that is, he
> was appointed to a newly created position which put a higher priority
> on Iran than it had had previously, and he is currently a professor at
> the U.S. Naval Academy. His background is notable also for his having
> been, at an earlier stage of his diplomatic career, one of the Embassy
> captives during the Iran hostage crisis. The Ambassador points out
> that what the U.S. is doing with regard to Iran amounts to a policy of
> regime change, even if that is not what we say we want. He notes,
> moreover, the contradiction in our condemnation of terrorism generally
> with our seeming inability to describe the assassination of Iranian
> scientists as terrorism. He's extremely reasonable, well spoken, and
> hopes -- as we all do -- that U.S.-Iranian differences can be resolved
> peacefully. He is, nevertheless, worried about the danger that the
> current situation could lead to an accidental war, more worried than
> he has been in the past.
>
> If you like the podcast please don't hesitate to forward the link.
>
> http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2012/01/one_of_the_other_cold...
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Podcast interview re Iran w/ Amb. John W. Limbert
Posted this morning at Electric Politics, a podcast interview about
Iran with Ambassador John W. Limbert. The Ambassador was the first
ever Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Iran in 2009, that is, he
was appointed to a newly created position which put a higher priority
on Iran than it had had previously, and he is currently a professor at
the U.S. Naval Academy. His background is notable also for his having
been, at an earlier stage of his diplomatic career, one of the Embassy
captives during the Iran hostage crisis. The Ambassador points out
that what the U.S. is doing with regard to Iran amounts to a policy of
regime change, even if that is not what we say we want. He notes,
moreover, the contradiction in our condemnation of terrorism generally
with our seeming inability to describe the assassination of Iranian
scientists as terrorism. He's extremely reasonable, well spoken, and
hopes -- as we all do -- that U.S.-Iranian differences can be resolved
peacefully. He is, nevertheless, worried about the danger that the
current situation could lead to an accidental war, more worried than
he has been in the past.
Iran with Ambassador John W. Limbert. The Ambassador was the first
ever Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Iran in 2009, that is, he
was appointed to a newly created position which put a higher priority
on Iran than it had had previously, and he is currently a professor at
the U.S. Naval Academy. His background is notable also for his having
been, at an earlier stage of his diplomatic career, one of the Embassy
captives during the Iran hostage crisis. The Ambassador points out
that what the U.S. is doing with regard to Iran amounts to a policy of
regime change, even if that is not what we say we want. He notes,
moreover, the contradiction in our condemnation of terrorism generally
with our seeming inability to describe the assassination of Iranian
scientists as terrorism. He's extremely reasonable, well spoken, and
hopes -- as we all do -- that U.S.-Iranian differences can be resolved
peacefully. He is, nevertheless, worried about the danger that the
current situation could lead to an accidental war, more worried than
he has been in the past.
If you like the podcast please don't hesitate to forward the link.
http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2012/01/one_of_the_other_cold_wars.html
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Re: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
Salman sahib,
PTI believes in following the constitution of Pakistan . Our offical website has our Minefesto .
Do not pay attention to irelavant web sites .
Sheikh Zakir Elahi
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Asalam Walakum Zakir Sahab,
Today just 5 minutes ago, I have received sms from Islamic website that Imran Khan want to Launch "Mavia"'s Law? Is it true ? I am asking from you Zakir bhai because you have mentioned in your Email Signature "ADVISOR TO CHAIRMAN PTI, PLANNING AND POLITICAL AFF", being on Senior Post you must have detail Info. Waiting for your kind response.
Regards
Salman Ahmed
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Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2012 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
The whole security issue is related to our role in war on terror .
Dear Salman sahib ,
PTI movement is against status quo. Soon Nawaz /Zardari will join hands against Imran Khan .
Theses people can not bring change because they are part of cartels /interest group/ fuels /cartels /mafia .They can not act against themselves .
They created whole energy crisis to get 1.9 billion dollars from power rental . Now whole gas crisis to import LNG and make big bucks
Experts from my latest article / See what are issue and how we plan to bring change .
Tax Reforms
As mentioned earlier, Pakistan's GDP to tax ratio is one of lowest in the world. Pakistan's main problem is the low government revenues that exist because of tax evasion, loopholes and exemptions. Only 3 million out of 175 million citizens have a national tax number NTN and the actual number of people who pay any tax at all is even lower. As per utility companies, there are 2.75 million commercial connections and only 0.7 million businesses file taxes. Although agriculture contributes 22 percent of Pakistan's GDP, but only it has only 1 percent role in tax revenue. According to the FBR chief, more than Rs800 billion is lost annually due to tax evasion. Around Rs600 billion is lost in direct taxation evasion, mostly in business income tax (WHD) and around Rs200 billion is lost due to evasion of sale tax, FED and import duties. Corruption is a major factor in tax collection loss. For example, over Rs 50 billion was lost in tax revenue (2007-2011) due to disappearance of 23,952 containers from the Karachi port. In addition to the declared GDP, Pakistan has a huge underground economy which is not reported. Estimates on the underground economy are equal to approximately 50 % of GDP, which is close to Rs3 trillion.
The complexity and fallibility of the tax law currently is the single most important factor responsible for most of the revenue losses. The fact that Pakistan is the world's 26th richest country in the world in purchasing power parity should allow for it to be able to triple its revenue if we can convince the people to pay their taxes and put a proper structure in place.
The current tax system is complex, burdensome, and severely limits economic opportunity. PTI also supports a just, uniformed, consistent and fair tax system. Our tax philosophy is to encourage and motivate citizens to create wealth and share a part of their hard earned income by paying tax at a rate which is acceptable to the majority. PTI wants to increase the tax-base, meaning that it believes in the increase of tax payers but believes in lowering current tax rates, thereby lowering the burden of those who are paying taxes for so many years. Research indicates that by putting in place a more extensive, progressive and equitable tax structure, revenues can double if not triple. PTI supports capital gain tax, agriculture tax on big land owners (Farm income tax), a decrease in the indirect tax on poor, an end of exemption in taxes for profitable industries like the textile, sugar and cement industries. There should be an end to the tax loop holes for the rich, a tax on luxury goods and mandatory tax filing for all corporations. The Party wants to introduce programs with incentives and privileges and opportunities for only tax payers. FBR needs to be completely revamped so that it is totally independent. We need to link certain privileges that we enjoy as citizens of Pakistan to registration with the tax department.
Menace of Corruption
PTI always had uncompromising stand against the corruption. It believes that most of the suffering of the common man is due to corruption in the government. According to a few independent reports, Pakistan looses close to Rs 300 billion a year because of corruption. Tough stand against corruption has earned PTI a lot of respect among masses. PTI strongly believe that the rule of law should be enforced and no one should be considered above law. Ordnances such as NRO that gave protection to corruption should be repealed and everyone should be held accountable. There is corruption in virtually every department. As per Transparency International, Pakistan recently lost more than $2 billion in 14 contracts related to Rental power project. Corruption is a major factor for the current energy crisis as current regime does not want to find solution to the problem but want to identify ways to make more money from the desperation of the people. The steel mill lost Rs 22 billion because of corruption and the Railways lost Rs 40 billion in procurement of 150 locomotives. The OGDC lost $3 billion because of drillings rigs contracts. Favouritism, nepotism, misappropriation of public fund, and misuse of power often go an unchecked as agencies and departments responsible for checking corruption are under influence of the same people they are suppose to check. PTI has always demanded independent bodies and judiciary to monitor corruption.
PTI is very fortunate to have a leader like Imran khan who can give hope and reassurance to the people of Pakistan in these uncertain times. PTI has team to bring Pakistan back to the path of economic prosperity. We are very sure of what we are doing, and by putting a plan which includes public education, increase risk and deterrent effect, the removal of incentive and opportunity, monitoring cell, legal prosecution, enforcement of the code of conduct, asset declaration, conflict of interest, protection for whistle blower and policy of zero tolerance we will achieve our goal. God has blessed Pakistan with so much. All it lacks is the leadership to steer it towards glory. Founder of the nation said, "Nature has given you everything, you've got unlimited resources. The foundations of your State has been laid and it is now up to you to build it and build it as quickly as you can. So Go Ahead, I Wish You God-Speed". PTI has political will and dignity and has a leader who has lead by example. PTI can motivate his nation to come out of this quagmire.
SHEIKH ZAKIR ELAHI
ADVISOR TO CHAIRMAN PTI
PLANNING AND POLITICAL AFFIn a message dated 1/10/2012 2:31:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hassan_mahmood8@yahoo.com writes:
Dear Salman
I am not telling you about social workers I am telling about the politicians who did the social work. Anyways we have no choice left but Imran khan so we have to trust and take risk and I am confident Imran khan will deliver Inshallah. And about terrorism no leader talk more than Ik look at his past 7 years talk shows. We should have positive approach and Inshallah you will see Pakistan progressing under Ik leadership.
Hassan Mahmood.
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From: "forget menot" <dontforgetme2600@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:38 pm
Subject: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
To: "hassan_mahmood8@yahoo.com" <hassan_mahmood8@yahoo.com>, "joinpakistan@googlegroups.com" <joinpakistan@googlegroups.com>
Dear Hassan,
Did I say Zardari is honest to Pakistan ? No , I didnt say it. I know the situation of Pakistan where it is standing right now. What is the guaranty if Imran Khan is fail to do what he said ? if PTI did not perform well, will they resign and say sorry to Pakistani Nation that we are fail ? Allah na karay k aisa ho .. May God give him success. Well, if you talk about charity and other things Edhi is performing very well every one is aware of Abdul Satar Edhi's efforts but it didnt mean that he want to be prime minister etc . the Problem that i have with him why he said bad about any one on asking why he didnt reply of it ? 2nd thing is I never ever seen him talk about terrorism or banned insitiutes How to control the Terrorism . he is asking to remove corruption but how about the security of a common people ? you tel me what is more important for you ? Life or corruption ? obveiuosly Life ..
RegardsSalman Ahmed
From: "hassan_mahmood8@yahoo.com" <hassan_mahmood8@yahoo.com>
To: forget menot <dontforgetme2600@yahoo.com>; "joinpakistan@googlegroups.com" <joinpakistan@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 9 January 2012 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
Dear Friend
Imran khan is true muslim and Pakistani. His all struggle is for the people of Pakistan he gave shukat khanem and nimal university for poor people of Pakistan ,you tell me any one in past or sitting govt has done such things answer is no. Second thing the thiefs sitting in govt who even steal zakat and pension of poor people are willing to help Pakistani people? If some one give them a plan ,are they sincere to implement ? Koreans took the financial program of Pakistan and where are they now? Why Pakistani politician used same plan for their own country? Benazier income program money is stolen, steel mill is bankrupt, railways is history, and PIA is bankrupt , what you think these institutions were not good working in the past ? Steel mill was biggest in Asia in past , PIA was best airline in past. My dear brother Imran khan,s best service to the nation will be to provide an honest leadership to Pakistan . Do you think present govt is honest enough to use any program for their people? If the answer is no then trust me Imran khan is the only hope of Pakistan. Please don't raise these silly questions and if you are sincere yourself then help Imran khan achieve his goals not to doubt his sincerety for Pakistan. When true leaders comes even if they have no plans for nation the country progresses just because of their honesty and earth expel its wealth out on surface if justice is done. So please move towards positive change and the change is just bring one honest leader to lead the nation. Thank you
Regards
Hassan Mahmood.
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From: "forget menot" <dontforgetme2600@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 3:17 am
Subject: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
To: "joinpakistan@googlegroups.com" <joinpakistan@googlegroups.com>
Dear Haris,
It is not a play ground that every one should be given a chance to play. I know Zardari or Nawaz Shareef are not eligible for this chair. my question is that if Imran Khan have solution that corruption will be remove in just 90 days . if he is a correct Muslim and Pakistani then why he did not give the formula to the Government of Pakistan ? for what he is waiting for ? People are killing due to terrorism ? Mothers/ Fathers are killing there own children from there own hands due to Inflation ? being a muslim my believe is that if any muslim is in trouble and you know that he is in trouble and you have enough ways to help him out then why Imran Khan being a true Muslim and Pakistani why he is not helping to them ? if Imran knows the solution and he is not disusing with the Government and not trying to helping out the poor people so I must say Imran Khan will have to answer the blood of killing of innocent people . I am not against Imran Khan, or i dont have any personal argument with him. I just want people to realize that if Imran khan become chair person nothing good is going to happened.
RegardsSalman Ahmed
From: Arshad Naeem Chaudhry <arshadnaeemch@gmail.com>
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 7 January 2012 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
Dear Brother open in inpage and comment.Arshad Naeem Chaudhrypresident pti kuwait chapter
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Muhammad Haris Haneef <haris_2003@hotmail.com> wrote:
Dear brother ,
He did'nt asnwer because he said i want to unite karachi .. he don't wont to divide , if he said anything about them so you know what would happen , they (MQM ) torch the cars and kill 4 to 5 ppl . its nothing new . it always happen when someone say anything about them . so he took a nice step . and I am not predicting future with guarantee. May be he will not do anything . its a doubt let say . But about others , I am sure, coz We already tested them and they failed to deliver. So its better if i go with the person about which we have some doubts instead of choosing those looters again about which we already know. no one in this world can be 100% , but still he is way better than nawaz and zardari
Muhammad Haris Haneef
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 01:12:36 -0800CC: mshoaibtanoli@googlegroups.com; reality_b2a@yahoogroups.com; paknationalists@googlegroups.com; pakistaniwriters@yahoogroups.com
From: dontforgetme2600@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
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Dear Haris Bhai,
I have told you that there are many ways to hide your assets. 2nd thing i have shared video, why Imran khan did not answer the question of the Student ? how can you Predict that his future is bright ? he will do what ever he is promising for ? Before the election every Candidate make Promises with Nation. we are already observing what they did after the election ?
RegardsSalman Ahmed
From: Muhammad Haris Haneef <haris_2003@hotmail.com>
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Sent: Monday, 2 January 2012 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
He is asking for declaration of assets to make sure that no one can make black money even he/she get the chance to do it . He is the person who think of the future , he wants to move on . He wants to unite the nation which other parties are unable to do . When it comes to imran , peoples criticism begins with , "he will", "i think" and so on . SO is it a justifiable reason to not cast the vote for him . So please don't predict the future based on your thoughts.
Muhammad Haris Haneef
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 01:27:57 -0800
From: dontforgetme2600@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
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Dear All Respected members,
What you say about this video ? Please watch it? why Imran khan didn't answer of it ?My question is with Imran Khan, by showing or declaring of Assets how can you analyze that members is not corrupted ? I think its a wrong strategy to judge any one by his Assets. there are lot of ways to hide you Assets
2nd thing is that Imran Khan is saying that his past is clean. His Past should be clean because he don't get a chance to seat on any seat? When he will get a seat then we will see how honest he is ?
RegardsSalman AhmedUAE - ACCA
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Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2012 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
Salam;Dear Sheikh Elahi Sb.,Just see today's Ummat Article of your Gathering in Karachi and the protest of your faithful workers/local leaders and the behaviour of your Senior Leadership.Point to consider.RegardsKhShaikh
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 8:06 AM, <SHEIKELAHI@aol.com> wrote:
There are two kind of people , One who corrupts the system and other who is corrupted by system .1-We will not allow any one ,who is responsible for corruption of the system2- Pakistan had 2 major parties - choices were limited - Both parties have disappointed their supporter- voters from those two parties are joining PTI . Similarly clean and honest politicians who did not have option before now have option and they have to join PTI. God knows niyat of any person3- Chairman has clearly said who ever join our party has to declare his asset and be ready for scrutiny .So people who have joined us they have offered and open themselves for hitesaab .They want to join the fight to save Pakistan and it is fight to save Pakistan -only clean and honest politicians will prevail .4- All decision will be on merit / we will not ignore our ideological worker - They are foundation of PTI .We will give tickets to our workers ,youth - wait and see - We promise only honest and up right will be given ticket.We need 900 candidates.5- This is contest between New Pakistan under leadership of Imran Khan vs Status quo .Before election all theses interest groups theses cartels ,these mafia will join hand against change .There will be alliance of PPP and PML N as you saw during last election .They are one and same.Voter has to choose between New Pakistan vs status Quo6- This first time in Pakistan politics that sitting MNA are resigning from their seat to join a party that is not part of government and have presence in parliament . This proves their commitment to cause and love for their people .We welcome every one to join the fight for Pakistan,for people of Pakistan , for survival of Pakistan.Sheikh Zakir ElahiAdvisor to Chairman PTI Imran KhanPolitical and Planning affairsPakistan Tehreek-e-InsafCo founder Pakistan Strategy forum201 450 2394In a message dated 12/30/2011 11:59:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, hiaamir@hotmail.com writes:
Agreed from Farooq Sahib, you are 100% right
just wait and watch
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:26:50 -0800
From: pnninews@ymail.com
Subject: Re: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Dear Ejaz Ch. and Mansoor,
There is no change .... PTI IS JUST A FRONT SHOW.in PTI's last CEC meeting all founder members opposes to get these black sheep in the party..... but what is going on..... we will see old actor in new dresses .... nothing more than this.
IMRAN KHAN is not a name of change.... its a new model for the publicity of a upcoming stage play.
Regards,
Roy Farooq AhmadPakistan News Network International
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Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: **JP** FACE THE REALITY (PTI)
Assalamu alaikum
Personally I don't know Mansoor Rahim but fully endorse his --
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They will be back and with a vengeance.
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Politicians that actually are listening to the people? Is it to much to hope that this sort of thing could catch on?
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Re: The Gingrich Doctrine: ‘Kill Them!’
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The Gingrich Doctrine: 'Kill Them!'
If ignorance is strength, most of the GOP candidates are powerhouses
by Justin Raimondo, January 18, 2012
His hands on his ample hips, Newt Gingrich looked like Mussolini up there on the stage at the GOP presidential debate as he bellowed "everybody knows" the Pakistanis were hiding Osama bin Laden in plain sight, "a mile from a Pakistani military academy." Ron Paul, who knows more about monetary policy than the intricacies of the US-Pakistani relationship, stood there looking appalled as Gingrich let loose with his war cry: " Kill them!" The yahoos went wild with joy. The Newtster was reacting to Paul's point about respecting Pakistani sovereignty – and the dangers of allowing such cross-border raids to become routine. After all, that could work both ways, as Paul tried – in vain – to point out.
The reality, though, is that the Pakistanis in all likelihood did know about the raid well in advance, and it is just as likely they had a hand in the entire operation from the start. As the Guardian reported at the time:
"The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaeda leader, the Guardian has learned.
"The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.
"Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaeda No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.
"'There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him,' said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. 'The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us.'"
Good ol' Musharraf, the one loyal ally we had in the region – dumped by the US State Department for his lack of "democratic" credentials. More real al-Qaeda operatives were arrested in Pakistan during his tenure than all the efforts of our FBI and CIA combined.
In any case, it's just common sense the Pakistanis were in on the Abbottabad raid: after all, the Americans set up a safe house in what has been described as a "garrison town" – a feat next to impossible without the Pakistanis knowing about it. As one Pakistani senior officer pointed out to the Global Post, the airspace over Abbottabad is a no fly zone: there's no way the US could have pulled off the operation without the full knowledge and cooperation of the Pakistani military. The area around the bin Laden compound was cordoned off by the authorities in the hours prior to the raid, and residents were told to stay inside with their lights out.
I don't know who's giving Rep. Paul his foreign policy talking points, but in discussions of foreign policy specifics matter: you can deduce the basic principles of economics from self-evident axioms, as students of Austrian economics [.pdf] know. However, you cannot do the same when making the case for a non-interventionist foreign policy. This is where empirical evidence is key to understanding what is really going on, as opposed to what our rulers want us to believe.
Here's the kicker: the same people in the government pushing for more strenuous and overt intervention in Pakistan know all about Musharraf's 2001 agreement with the US, yet they cynically promote the idea that Pakistan was hiding bin Laden in order to advance their own agenda. There are so many layers of deception masking the truth about American foreign policy that peeling them all back is the equivalent of the thirteenth labor of Hercules.
Speaking of Monday's Republican debate: if there is any limit to Rick Perry's stupidity, then I suspect we have yet to reach it. His statement that Turkey is ruled by " Islamic terrorists" and ought to be kicked out of NATO was applauded vigorously by the audience – the same audience that booed Paul when he invoked the Golden Rule. The only problem for Perry and his fans is that Turkey is a vital US ally, and is ruled not by "Islamic terrorists" but by a moderate and staunchly pro-Western Muslim party democratically elected: the country boasts a modern economy with innumerable economic and political ties to the West. Perry's is a gaffe that would normally disqualify its utterer from seeking office higher than alderman: not in today's GOP, however, where ignorance is an asset.
The impetus for Perry's latest embarrassing faux pas was a leading question from Bret Baier, who appears to embody the lunkheaded viciousness that characterizes the "reporters" at Fox News. He certainly looks and sounds the part: the vacuous stare, the protruding ears like two little radar dishes scanning for targets, the propaganda that pours out of his mouth as if a button were being pushed somewhere:
"Governor Perry, since the Islamist-oriented party took over in Turkey, the murder rate of women has increased 1,400 percent there. Press freedom has declined to the level of Russia. The prime minister of Turkey has embraced Hamas and Turkey has threatened military force against both Israel and Cypress. [sic] Given Turkey's turn, do you believe Turkey still belongs in NATO?"
To begin with, a grand total of 953 Turkish women were murdered in the first seven months of 2009, the last time period for which figures are available, up from 806 in 2008. The 1400 percent figure comes from a statement by the AKP justice minister in which he measured the increase from 2002: if the "Islamist terrorists" who run the Turkish government are encouraging the murder of women, why would their own Justice Minister make this kind of statement?
Secondly, if Senators Joe Lieberman and Lindsey Graham are trying to convince the Turks that only they can bring Hamas to the negotiating table, is Turkey's relationship with the rulers of Gaza a plus or a minus for US diplomatic efforts in the region? This is a question Gov. Perry is completely unprepared to ask, let alone answer.
Perry is way out of his depth, and for him to be presented as a credible candidate for the presidency is a disgrace – and a minus for the GOP, which is hurting itself badly by allowing him to make a fool of himself at each and every debate. Of course, a Governor doesn't have to be an expert on the internal politics of Turkey: if only he'd stayed in Texas, he would have saved himself and his party a lot of trouble.
Ignorance of such abstruse topics is not a moral failing – unless, that is, one is charged with making life-and-death decisions requiring this kind of specialized knowledge. In that case, it is highly doubtful anyone not immersed in the country one is concerned with could have sufficient understanding to even attempt to make such a decision. Friedrich Hayek, the free market economist, understood that central planning by governments is impossible because the planners lack sufficient knowledge of the many factors taken into account by the market: the same is true when it comes to planning the fate of nations overseas – only more so. That conservatives fail to understand this simple fact is a tribute to their thickheadedness. No matter how many times that simple principle is demonstrated in real life – Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. – the lesson forever eludes them, transfixed as they are by demagogues of Gingrich's ilk urging them to "Kill! Kill!"
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