On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Jonathan, and had to go back and re-read your post Tommy. The
> words are NOT interchangable!
>
> It is a misconception to say that we live in a Democracy. Back as late as
> the 1930s and 1940s, it was made clear in textbooks, that a democracy was
> not necessarily a good thing; that the Soviet Union and the Chinese had
> forms of democracy. That Americans live in a republic, where those elected
> by the people represent our interests.
>
> Intentinal or a coincidence that the term "democracy" slips off of those
> with a far left agenda these days?
>
> I dunno.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:31 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Let me remind you of the use of semantics and shades of meaning yet again.
>>
>> In the recent Texas Schoolbook controversy, the books were revised to
>> exclude the words "Democrat" Democracy", and replace those words with
>> "Republican" and "Republic".
>> The terms are interchangeable, but not in the small minds of some who
>> fail to comprehend their shades of meaning and etymological
>> provinance.
>>
>> On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > But you realize that we live in a republican form of government don't
>> > you
>> > Tom? We don't live in a democracy in the literal sense.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 1:24 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I am not dodging the question.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I said that it is a dumb and baited question and I stand buy that
>> >> statement.
>> >> I believe in Democracy. I am an American.
>> >>
>> >> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>> >> > Why are you dodging the question, Tommy?
>> >> >
>> >> > You are subscribed to a political forum. How is asking which of two
>> >> > systems of government you think we should follow being silly?
>> >> >
>> >> > The fact that you understand it is a baited question leads me to
>> believe
>> >> > you know you are a socialist. You're just afraid to admit it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Or, perhaps - since you push all the collectivism crap on us - you
>> >> > prefer being called a collectivist.
>> >> >
>> >> > *Collectivist*, n. An advocate of collectivism. -- a. Relating
>> >> > to,
>> >> > or characteristic of, collectivism.*
>> >> > *
>> >> >
>> >> > *Collectivism*, n. The doctrine that land and capital should be
>> >> > owned by society collectively or as a whole; communism.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 10/20/2010 10:07 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>> >> >> Why would you even ask such a silly, baited, and officiously
>> offensive
>> >> >> question?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I am not a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Centrist Liberals, Democrats, and President Obama are not either.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> Should have read:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Tommy,
>> >> >>>> Which one of the following systems of government do you believe we
>> >> >>>> should follow?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> 1. A system in which the means of production and distribution
>> >> >>>> are
>> >> >>>> privately or corporately owned and development is
>> proportionate
>> >> to
>> >> >>>> the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free
>> >> >>>> market.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> 2. A system of social organization in which the means of
>> >> producing
>> >> >>>> and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a
>> centralized
>> >> >>>> government that often plans and controls the economy.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On 10/20/2010 9:36 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>> >> >>>>> It appears that you do not know what Marxism is, Keith, as you
>> >> >>>>> continually and falsely call Democrats, Centrist liberals,
>> >> >>>>> Progressives, and President Obama Marxists, which they are not.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> That is why I sent this piece, to enlighten you, if that is
>> >> >>>>> possible.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Liberals and Democrats are NOT Marxists, Socialists, or
>> Communists.
>> >> >>>>> Using these false slurs over and over again is offensive and
>> >> >>>>> repetitive.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> I believe that those who slander and disrespect the President are
>> >> >>>>> anti-American.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa<keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> Those who don't comprehend or understand what Marxism,
>> >> >>>>>> Socialism,
>> >> >>>>>> Capitalism, etc., mean, and somehow believe that it is "hate
>> >> >>>>>> speech"
>> >> >>>>>> by
>> >> >>>>>> calling an individual a "Socialist"; because he advocates a
>> >> >>>>>> socialistic
>> >> >>>>>> political and economic system over a capitalistic, free market
>> >> >>>>>> economy,
>> >> >>>>>> are
>> >> >>>>>> ignorant.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> I don't mean to say that they are stupid....Far from it.
>> Actually,
>> >> I
>> >> >>>>>> have a
>> >> >>>>>> lot of respect for these that are ignorant, or Anti-American.
>> They
>> >> >>>>>> are
>> >> >>>>>> dangerous to our Nation. I have come to the conclusion that
>> these
>> >> >>>>>> folks
>> >> >>>>>> fall into one of two categories:
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> (A) *e.g.;* Most of them are ill informed and not well read.
>> They
>> >> >>>>>> don't
>> >> >>>>>> keep up with current events, other than to watch liberal, biased
>> >> >>>>>> mainstream
>> >> >>>>>> media, or read and follow far left slanted web sites, never
>> taking
>> >> >>>>>> the
>> >> >>>>>> time
>> >> >>>>>> to comprehend why or how any specific situation or came to be,
>> or
>> >> the
>> >> >>>>>> root
>> >> >>>>>> cause, genesis or motivation of any particular issue. They tend
>> to
>> >> >>>>>> believe
>> >> >>>>>> that they are the only ones that are compassionate, failing to
>> >> realize
>> >> >>>>>> that
>> >> >>>>>> it is statistically proven in fact, that those who are
>> conservative
>> >> >>>>>> contribute far more money& resources to charitable causes.
>> >> Further,
>> >> >>>>>> (and
>> >> >>>>>> just as important!) these same individuals don't have a lot of
>> >> >>>>>> knowledge
>> >> >>>>>> of
>> >> >>>>>> our history; they fail to understand or comprehend the
>> >> >>>>>> principals
>> >> and
>> >> >>>>>> tenets
>> >> >>>>>> that made the United States the greatest Nation-State in the
>> World,
>> >> >>>>>> bar
>> >> >>>>>> none. In general, these people reject the notion that our
>> founding
>> >> >>>>>> fathers
>> >> >>>>>> were influenced by Christian principals and tenets, but they do
>> >> >>>>>> understand
>> >> >>>>>> enough history that they would very much like to revise this one
>> >> >>>>>> important
>> >> >>>>>> aspect. Thus their lack of understanding and reasoning; or,
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> (B) They are literally Anti-Americans, and they want to see the
>> >> >>>>>> United
>> >> >>>>>> States become equal to or consistent with a third world or
>> >> >>>>>> fourth
>> >> >>>>>> world
>> >> >>>>>> Nation-State.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> There is literally no other option.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> The point being, is that ALL of these folks are hypocritical,
>> >> >>>>>> and
>> >> >>>>>> filled
>> >> >>>>>> with hate. When confronted with truth, logic, or just basic
>> facts,
>> >> >>>>>> all
>> >> >>>>>> they
>> >> >>>>>> can resort to is slinging out hate filled smear, and the typical
>> >> >>>>>> far
>> >> >>>>>> left,
>> >> >>>>>> Socialist-Elitist talking points that have been generated by the
>> >> >>>>>> George
>> >> >>>>>> Soros' funded foundations, media organizations and social
>> networks.
>> >> >>>>>> All
>> >> >>>>>> they can do, is attack the messenger.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Tommy News<
>> tommysnews@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> Thiose who use words as clubs are misguided bullies.
>> >> >>>>>>
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>> >> >>> governed are weak.*
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>> >> >>> separates politicians from other criminal organizations is superior
>> >> >>> public relations."
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>> >> >
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>> >> > governed are weak.*
>> >> >
>> >> > *"The 'art' of politics is diverting attention from what's really
>> >> > happening. What
>> >> > separates politicians from other criminal organizations is superior
>> >> > public relations."
>> >> > - Marc Stevens
>> >> >
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>> >> Have a great day,
>> >> Tommy
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