On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
> Of course you're dodging the question.
>
> It's not like I was asking you for a 15-page dissertation on your
> beliefs. I simply asked you to chose between two brief descriptions of
> two types of governments.
>
> On 10/20/2010 10:24 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>> I am not dodging the question.
>>
>>
>> I said that it is a dumb and baited question and I stand buy that
>> statement.
>> I believe in Democracy. I am an American.
>>
>> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>> Why are you dodging the question, Tommy?
>>>
>>> You are subscribed to a political forum. How is asking which of two
>>> systems of government you think we should follow being silly?
>>>
>>> The fact that you understand it is a baited question leads me to believe
>>> you know you are a socialist. You're just afraid to admit it.
>>>
>>> Or, perhaps - since you push all the collectivism crap on us - you
>>> prefer being called a collectivist.
>>>
>>> *Collectivist*, n. An advocate of collectivism. -- a. Relating to,
>>> or characteristic of, collectivism.*
>>> *
>>>
>>> *Collectivism*, n. The doctrine that land and capital should be
>>> owned by society collectively or as a whole; communism.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/20/2010 10:07 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>> Why would you even ask such a silly, baited, and officiously offensive
>>>> question?
>>>>
>>>> I am not a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist.
>>>>
>>>> Centrist Liberals, Democrats, and President Obama are not either.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>>> Should have read:
>>>>>
>>>>> Tommy,
>>>>>> Which one of the following systems of government do you believe we
>>>>>> should follow?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. A system in which the means of production and distribution
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free
>>>>>> market.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. A system of social organization in which the means of
>>>>>> producing
>>>>>> and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized
>>>>>> government that often plans and controls the economy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/20/2010 9:36 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>>>>> It appears that you do not know what Marxism is, Keith, as you
>>>>>>> continually and falsely call Democrats, Centrist liberals,
>>>>>>> Progressives, and President Obama Marxists, which they are not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is why I sent this piece, to enlighten you, if that is possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Liberals and Democrats are NOT Marxists, Socialists, or Communists.
>>>>>>> Using these false slurs over and over again is offensive and
>>>>>>> repetitive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe that those who slander and disrespect the President are
>>>>>>> anti-American.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa<keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Those who don't comprehend or understand what Marxism, Socialism,
>>>>>>>> Capitalism, etc., mean, and somehow believe that it is "hate speech"
>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>> calling an individual a "Socialist"; because he advocates a
>>>>>>>> socialistic
>>>>>>>> political and economic system over a capitalistic, free market
>>>>>>>> economy,
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> ignorant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't mean to say that they are stupid....Far from it. Actually,
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>> lot of respect for these that are ignorant, or Anti-American. They
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> dangerous to our Nation. I have come to the conclusion that these
>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>> fall into one of two categories:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (A) *e.g.;* Most of them are ill informed and not well read. They
>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>> keep up with current events, other than to watch liberal, biased
>>>>>>>> mainstream
>>>>>>>> media, or read and follow far left slanted web sites, never taking
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> to comprehend why or how any specific situation or came to be, or
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> root
>>>>>>>> cause, genesis or motivation of any particular issue. They tend to
>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>> that they are the only ones that are compassionate, failing to
>>>>>>>> realize
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> it is statistically proven in fact, that those who are conservative
>>>>>>>> contribute far more money& resources to charitable causes.
>>>>>>>> Further,
>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>> just as important!) these same individuals don't have a lot of
>>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> our history; they fail to understand or comprehend the principals
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> tenets
>>>>>>>> that made the United States the greatest Nation-State in the World,
>>>>>>>> bar
>>>>>>>> none. In general, these people reject the notion that our founding
>>>>>>>> fathers
>>>>>>>> were influenced by Christian principals and tenets, but they do
>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>> enough history that they would very much like to revise this one
>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>> aspect. Thus their lack of understanding and reasoning; or,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (B) They are literally Anti-Americans, and they want to see the
>>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>>> States become equal to or consistent with a third world or fourth
>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>> Nation-State.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is literally no other option.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The point being, is that ALL of these folks are hypocritical, and
>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>>> with hate. When confronted with truth, logic, or just basic facts,
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> can resort to is slinging out hate filled smear, and the typical far
>>>>>>>> left,
>>>>>>>> Socialist-Elitist talking points that have been generated by the
>>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>> Soros' funded foundations, media organizations and social networks.
>>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>> they can do, is attack the messenger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Tommy News<tommysnews@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Thiose who use words as clubs are misguided bullies.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> *I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal
>>>>> Government*
>>>>> http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
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>>>>> *Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be
>>>>> governed are weak.*
>>>>>
>>>>> *"The 'art' of politics is diverting attention from what's really
>>>>> happening. What
>>>>> separates politicians from other criminal organizations is superior
>>>>> public relations."
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>>>>>
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>>> *I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal
>>> Government*
>>> http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
>>>
>>> *Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure.
>>>
>>> *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be
>>> governed are weak.*
>>>
>>> *"The 'art' of politics is diverting attention from what's really
>>> happening. What
>>> separates politicians from other criminal organizations is superior
>>> public relations."
>>> - Marc Stevens
>>>
>>> "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that
>>> cannot be."
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> *I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal
> Government*
> http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
>
> *Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure.
>
> *Government is only as strong as those who allow themselves to be
> governed are weak.*
>
> *"The 'art' of politics is diverting attention from what's really
> happening. What
> separates politicians from other criminal organizations is superior
> public relations."
> - Marc Stevens
>
> "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free it expects something that
> cannot be."
> - Thomas Jefferson****
>
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Have a great day,
Tommy
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