On 10/20/10, dick <rhomp2002@earthlink.net> wrote:
> You lost it all in the first sentence. Republicans are not the ones who
> are trying to control. The Democrats attempt to rule in a fair
> Democracy? Since when. Democrats try to control you so that you have
> to accept their choice or you lose your job, your insurance, your home,
> your family, access to the education you want - no end to the
> controlling that the Democrats attempt. Your whole posting here is an
> absolute lie. You Dems even want to control how people retire!!
>
> On 10/20/2010 02:22 PM, Tommy News wrote:
>> So, then in other words,
>> Republicans, whose purpose is to control, are like Facists. Their
>> purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others
>> among the people.
>>
>> Democrats, whose purpose is to rule In a fair Democracy, and any group
>> of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the
>> unlimited power of The Majority, and therefore must keep the
>> Republicans from taking control of the government again in order to
>> protect themselves from unlimited power of facist Republicans.
>>
>> Corporate greed, absolute control, and absoulute power is Republican.
>>
>> Justice, well being, liberty, the persuit of happiness, and fair
>> representation by and for individuals is Democratic.
>>
>> Gotta love it.
>>
>> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone following this thread can see you are dodging the question.
>>>
>>> You have spent a considerable amount of time doing so.
>>>
>>> So based on your refusal to answer the question, and, based on your
>>> assertion that it was a baited question, I can only conclude that you
>>> are a closet socialist.
>>>
>>> On 10/20/2010 10:47 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, I am not.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Of course you're dodging the question.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not like I was asking you for a 15-page dissertation on your
>>>>> beliefs. I simply asked you to chose between two brief descriptions of
>>>>> two types of governments.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/20/2010 10:24 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not dodging the question.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said that it is a dumb and baited question and I stand buy that
>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>> I believe in Democracy. I am an American.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why are you dodging the question, Tommy?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are subscribed to a political forum. How is asking which of two
>>>>>>> systems of government you think we should follow being silly?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fact that you understand it is a baited question leads me to
>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>> you know you are a socialist. You're just afraid to admit it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or, perhaps - since you push all the collectivism crap on us - you
>>>>>>> prefer being called a collectivist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Collectivist*, n. An advocate of collectivism. -- a. Relating
>>>>>>> to,
>>>>>>> or characteristic of, collectivism.*
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Collectivism*, n. The doctrine that land and capital should
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> owned by society collectively or as a whole; communism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/20/2010 10:07 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why would you even ask such a silly, baited, and officiously
>>>>>>>> offensive
>>>>>>>> question?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am not a Marxist, Socialist, or Communist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Centrist Liberals, Democrats, and President Obama are not either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/20/10, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Should have read:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tommy,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which one of the following systems of government do you believe we
>>>>>>>>>> should follow?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. A system in which the means of production and
>>>>>>>>>> distribution
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> privately or corporately owned and development is
>>>>>>>>>> proportionate
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a
>>>>>>>>>> free
>>>>>>>>>> market.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2. A system of social organization in which the means of
>>>>>>>>>> producing
>>>>>>>>>> and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a
>>>>>>>>>> centralized
>>>>>>>>>> government that often plans and controls the economy.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/2010 9:36 AM, Tommy News wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It appears that you do not know what Marxism is, Keith, as you
>>>>>>>>>>> continually and falsely call Democrats, Centrist liberals,
>>>>>>>>>>> Progressives, and President Obama Marxists, which they are not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is why I sent this piece, to enlighten you, if that is
>>>>>>>>>>> possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Liberals and Democrats are NOT Marxists, Socialists, or
>>>>>>>>>>> Communists.
>>>>>>>>>>> Using these false slurs over and over again is offensive and
>>>>>>>>>>> repetitive.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I believe that those who slander and disrespect the President are
>>>>>>>>>>> anti-American.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/20/10, Keith In Tampa<keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Those who don't comprehend or understand what Marxism,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Socialism,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Capitalism, etc., mean, and somehow believe that it is "hate
>>>>>>>>>>>> speech"
>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>> calling an individual a "Socialist"; because he advocates a
>>>>>>>>>>>> socialistic
>>>>>>>>>>>> political and economic system over a capitalistic, free market
>>>>>>>>>>>> economy,
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't mean to say that they are stupid....Far from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of respect for these that are ignorant, or Anti-American.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> dangerous to our Nation. I have come to the conclusion that
>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>> folks
>>>>>>>>>>>> fall into one of two categories:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (A) *e.g.;* Most of them are ill informed and not well read.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> keep up with current events, other than to watch liberal, biased
>>>>>>>>>>>> mainstream
>>>>>>>>>>>> media, or read and follow far left slanted web sites, never
>>>>>>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>> to comprehend why or how any specific situation or came to be,
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> root
>>>>>>>>>>>> cause, genesis or motivation of any particular issue. They tend
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>> that they are the only ones that are compassionate, failing to
>>>>>>>>>>>> realize
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is statistically proven in fact, that those who are
>>>>>>>>>>>> conservative
>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute far more money& resources to charitable causes.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Further,
>>>>>>>>>>>> (and
>>>>>>>>>>>> just as important!) these same individuals don't have a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> our history; they fail to understand or comprehend the
>>>>>>>>>>>> principals
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> tenets
>>>>>>>>>>>> that made the United States the greatest Nation-State in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> World,
>>>>>>>>>>>> bar
>>>>>>>>>>>> none. In general, these people reject the notion that our
>>>>>>>>>>>> founding
>>>>>>>>>>>> fathers
>>>>>>>>>>>> were influenced by Christian principals and tenets, but they do
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough history that they would very much like to revise this one
>>>>>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>>>>>> aspect. Thus their lack of understanding and reasoning; or,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (B) They are literally Anti-Americans, and they want to see the
>>>>>>>>>>>> United
>>>>>>>>>>>> States become equal to or consistent with a third world or
>>>>>>>>>>>> fourth
>>>>>>>>>>>> world
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nation-State.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is literally no other option.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The point being, is that ALL of these folks are hypocritical,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> filled
>>>>>>>>>>>> with hate. When confronted with truth, logic, or just basic
>>>>>>>>>>>> facts,
>>>>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> can resort to is slinging out hate filled smear, and the typical
>>>>>>>>>>>> far
>>>>>>>>>>>> left,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Socialist-Elitist talking points that have been generated by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>>>>>> Soros' funded foundations, media organizations and social
>>>>>>>>>>>> networks.
>>>>>>>>>>>> All
>>>>>>>>>>>> they can do, is attack the messenger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Tommy
>>>>>>>>>>>> News<tommysnews@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thiose who use words as clubs are misguided bullies.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>
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>>> governed are weak.*
>>>
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>>> happening. What
>>> separates politicians from other criminal organizations is superior
>>> public relations."
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