"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or theProphets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
With that simple line Christ struck down the Old Testament (that is if you have chosen Christianity as your religion).
Your argument and its premise is without value.
On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Merc <kevysmom09@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you a Christian Keith?
What does it mean to follow thy Lord? Doesn't that mean to follow is
commandments? In the Old Testament, which ALL Christians read and
follow. It says to stone to death unruly children, those who commit
adultery.
Why arent Christians following Gods commandments? Do they feel they
are better than God and can pick and choose which commandments they
want to follow? Or was it because Jesus told them that, "he that is
without sin cast the first stone"?
Not all religious Faiths accepted Jesus as the Messiah, Yet, they
still worship the same God and follow his commandments. So, are they
evil men for following GODS commandments or is God evil?
> ...
On Oct 16, 5:38 pm, Merc <kevysmo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Interesting thread, I will respond to your post tomorrow.
>
> On Oct 15, 8:16 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Good Evening Members,
>
> > Recently, we have had several members, (Well.....Really only one, Tom For
> > News) accuse me of being an "Islamophobe", (as well as being a Homophobe,
> > a Wingnut, and God only knows what other accusations have been tossed my
> > way!! <Grin>!!) We also witnessed Joy "I Am The Epitome Of A Moonbat"
> > Behar, and Whoopie "Guinan Not A Jew" Goldberg walk off the set of the
> > television show, "The View" yesterday, when political pundit Bill
> > O'Reilly stated that it was Muslims who blew up the World Trade Towers in
> > New York City on September 11, 2001. Because of these recent events, I
> > choose to respond.
>
> > I don't think I am an Islamophobe. I'll let you, the members who choose to
> > read this epistle determine whether you believe I am an Islamophobe....Or
> > not.
>
> > There has been a lot of discussion about, "Fundamentalist Muslims"; as
> > compared to so-called, "Moderate Muslims". We have seen for instance, how
> > "Moderate Muslims" lived a fairly western lifestyle, and many of us recall
> > the peaceful Islamic culture in the Nation-State formerly known as
> > Yugoslavia, and in other parts of Eastern Europe.
>
> > Today, if you were to visit that region, *e.g.;* Kosovo, Albania,
> > Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Republica Srpska; and see the ethnic
> > cleansing.....Not the ethnic cleansing purportedly by Slobodan Milosevic and
> > the Serbs, but by fellow Muslims, those that are both Sunni and Shia; I
> > surmise that folks like Joy Behar and Whoopi would be shocked!
>
> > The divergence, is exactly what I have been espousing here in
> > PoliticalForum: That what many term, "Fundamentalists" or "radical"
> > Islamists, (I hate the term, "Islamo-Fascists"; I think the term is an
> > oxymoron) but my point being, is that those that are more "orthodox"
> > Muslims, or "Fundamentalist Muslims" are in fact killing those Muslims who
> > have adopted what many perceive as a "moderate", western way of life.
>
> > Many "Liberals"; or those who are not well informed on the all
> > encompassing aspects of Islam, tend to blame the United States and Western
> > Culture in general, for "oppressing" Muslims, forcing the Islamic faithful
> > to take extreme action to defend their cultures and beliefs from "Western
> > imperialism". This is really far from true, and I will try and demonstrate
> > as succinctly as possible.
>
> > Islam's roots are well documented, originating with a supernatural
> > experience in a cave that left a young Mohammad with the firm belief that
> > the archangel Gabriel had summoned him to be God's messenger on Earth.
>
> > I don't think that anyone knowledgeable will dispute, that Islam in and of
> > itself, was born in violence. Not only did the angel Gabriel allegedly try
> > to choke Mohammad to death at one point, but so did Mohammad's tribe, the
> > "Quraysh".
>
> > From its very inception, Islam has been about a fight to survive. Mohammad
> > called this principle "*Jihad*", and drew two distinctions. Ultimately the
> > greater jihad, "*Jihad al Akbar*", is the struggle to perfect oneself, the
> > struggle to be a better person in the eyes of Allah. Mohammad nevertheless
> > emphasized, especially throughout the Medina Suras in the Q'uran, that the
> > lesser jihad, *"Jihad al Asghar"; e.g.; *the struggle to defeat infidels,
> > non-believers and opponents who threatens (or has ever threatened!) the
> > faith, is the primary means for the manifestation of Islam upon our World.
> > **
> > There is no question that of all the Western religions, *e.g.;* Judaism,
> > Christianity, and Islam, at one point in time, Islam was the most modern,
> > and I dare say "enlightened", for lack of a better word. When we were still
> > cutting the entrails out of anyone who dare spoke against the King, Islam
> > was far more progressive, at least by 11th and 12th Century standards. The
> > World's arts and sciences were at the forefront in Islam. As I have
> > stated previously, whereas Christianity and Judaism have reformed, Islam has
> > never reformed.
>
> > From the time that Mohammad wrote the Suras in both Medina and Mecca, (which
> > are in total conflict with one another in my opinion) the Muslim religion
> > spread across the entire Arabian Peninsula, north into Persia (Iran), and
> > westward into Palestine, Egypt, Algeria and Morocco. Eventually, it crossed
> > the Mediterranean Sea into Spain and worked its way up the central Asian
> > trade routes to the Balkans, to what is now known as Germany/the Chechen
> > Republic/Central Western Europe.
>
> > As Islam spread, Islamic leaders ruled each new country through a
> > "Caliphate"; *e.g.*; a theocratic governing body presided over by a
> > supreme religious authority and his council of religious leaders. They not
> > only set the moral agenda for the country but, by *Sharia*, determined what
> > actions of the state were approved by Mohammad -- and more importantly, what
> > actions were not.
>
> > What many in the West don't understand or comprehend, is that "Sharia", to
> > both moderates, and "Orthodox" or "Fundamentalist Muslims"; crosses all
> > boundaries of life, to include political, economic, religious, personal,
> > hygienic, attire, food, etc. There is nothing at all to compare this
> > concept with here in the United States of Europe. Sharia is all
> > encompassing. Even the concept of loving one's Nation, or patriotism is not
> > at all the same. There are no examples to give, but try and picture your
> > Minister or Priest dictating to you what to wear; what to eat; who to vote
> > for; how often to bathe, and the exact precepts of personal hygiene. I'm
> > not talking about your Priest or Minister "Suggesting" what to wear, or
> > eat, I am talking about your Priest or Minister MANDATING what you will
> > wear each and every day, and what you will eat, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
> > etc., etc. Again, this is such a foreign concept, that it seems almost
> > laughable, but nevertheless, ALL Muslims, to include those that we consider,
> > "Moderate" are under the dictates of Sharia. To not follow the dictates
> > of Sharia, qualifies you as an infidel, and infidels.....Well, read some of
> > the Suras from the Holy Q'uran that I have listed below.
>
> > As stated, there is no distinction between Sharia as it applies to politics,
> > religion, economics, etc. This is such a foreign concept to most of us
> > that have been brought up in Western culture, that it is hard to
> > rationalize. Where there is total conflict, is when Muslims try to apply
> > Sharia, which is the way that ALL Muslims MUST live, within Western
> > Society. This discord cannot be harmonized.
>
> > By example, women are chattel, literally owned by their fathers until such
> > time as they are married, and then their husband owns them. He can own four
> > wives.....And a fifth wife for short durations, to satisfy those, "Human
> > Urges" that Allah has bequeathed to mankind. The penalty for a woman who
> > might have these types of "Human Urges" is immediate, painful and
> > unmerciful death. An excellent source for Islamic jurisprudence can be
> > found here on Google; enter: "*Jurisprudence and Islamic Rulings, Part 4 **By
> > Muhammad Saed Abdul-Rahman" *which will take you to "Google Books."* *Go
> > to Page 73, through 75, and see the reasoning!
>
> > I wonder how Whoopie and Joy would take to being owned?
>
> > This same logic goes for Tom. To think that Tom can openly advocate his
> > Gay Agenda within Islam is laughable. I have attached a few photos for
> > Tom's review to this post. The pictures are not of Homosexuals who were
> > openly gay, but instead, were accused of covert homosexuality. By
> > example, Mohammad in several Haddiths says:
>
> > *From the Hadith:*
>
> > *There are several lesser hadiths stating, "if a man comes upon a man, then
> > they are both adulterers," *"If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both
> > Adulteresses,"; and, "When a man mounts another man, the throne of God
> > shakes"; and "Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it
> > is being done to."
>
> > *Abu Dawud (4462)* - The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be
> > upon him) said, *"Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot,*(Lot)
> > * execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.".*
>
> > *Abu Dawud (4448)* - "*If a man who is not married is seized committing
> > sodomy, he will be stoned to death."* (Note the implicit approval of
> > sodomizing one's wife).
>
> > Of course, many think that it was just a sign of the times that Mohammad
> > took a nine ("9") year old bride, Aiesha. Could be, that Aiesha was way
> > beyond her nine years, I don't know. We do know that the same rules don't
> > apply in "Paradise", where martyrs for the cause of Allah enjoy an orgy of
> > virgins and *"perpetual youth"* Q'uran (56:17) or otherwise known as *
> > "boys"* Q'uran (52:24).
>
> > And then, Qur'an (*See* Q'uran at 76:19) bluntly states, *"And immortal boys
> > will circulate among them, when you see them you will count them as
> > scattered pearls."* Technically, the mere presence of boys doesn't
> > necessarily mean sex, however it is strongly implied from the particular
> > emphasis on the effeminacy, handsomeness and "freshness" of the boys. The
> > female virgins of paradise are also compared as pearls (*See* Q'uran at
> > 56:23). I am not implying that there is a link between homosexuality and
> > pedophilia here anymore than I am implying one between heterosexuality and
> > pedophilia.....Nevertheless, Mohammad did prefer a nine year girl as his
> > wife.....
>
> > We outlaw those Christian Denominations that would engage in illicit drugs,
> > in order to purportedly "See God" more clearly. Of course it is illegal
>
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