Monday, May 14, 2012

Re: Were Americans Safe in 1965? in 1970?

we were less safe if you compare what terrorist are willing to do at
this
time
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they can do a lot more damage

we were very naive back then
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more like lucky that the animals in the middle east just hadn't been
pissed off enough by American interventionists.
it was just a matter of time.

the longer the interventionists stay in the middle east the more
attacks we'll see.

On May 13, 7:50 pm, geoffrey theist <gtheist...@gmail.com> wrote:
> we were less safe if you compare what terrorist are willing to do at this
> time we were very naive back then.
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> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 3:05 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> >  *Were Americans Safe in 1965? in 1970?
> > *Posted by Michael S. Rozeff <ms...@buffalo.edu> on May 13, 2012 09:47 AM
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> > I conjecture that Americans were no less safe from foreign threats in 1965
> > and 1970 than they are now. How much did national security cost back then?
> > In 2005 dollars that adjust for changed price levels, "national defense
> > consumption expenditures and gross investment" ran at about a $60 billion
> > annual rate in 1965. In 1970, it was running about $88 billion per year.
> > This includes all military spending on paying military and support
> > personnel, equipment, airplanes, bombs, wars, bases, etc. Suppose I am
> > wrong. Suppose that Americans were not spending enough to feel safe. How
> > much "under" might they be? Suppose that defense spending had to have been
> > twice as large to make them feel safe. (Being off by a factor of 2 is
> > intuitively generous, is it not?) Then, if you are a defense hawk who
> > believes that military spending was too low to make Americans happy, I
> > grant you figures of $120 to $176 billion.
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> > Now, come ahead to 2012, also in 2005 dollars. This series is running at a
> > rate of $808 billion (down from a high of $844 billion in mid-2011). I am
> > saying that if Americans are no less safe now than then, military spending
> > can be cut from $808 billion to $60-$88 billion without loss of security.
> > That's a cut of about 90 percent or more. If you are a defense hawk, then
> > the cut is to $120-$176 billion, which is a cut of 78 to 85 percent. This
> > doesn't take into account population growth, which has risen by 50% since
> > 1970. But counteracting that is the fact that the Soviet Union is gone, and
> > I've allowed a factor of 100 percent for defense hawks. I conclude that
> > defense spending could be cut by a minimum of 80 percent without
> > compromising American safety. And if this were done, terrorist threats
> > would actually decline because American provocations in foreign lands would
> > be curtailed.
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> > I've checked these numbers. The data are available here<http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?id=FDEFX>.
> > They are real (price-adjusted) figures. I checked that here<http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb2011/TableView.asp?SelectedTable=1...>
> > .
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> > It seems unbelievable (astonishing) that real expenditures for the
> > military could have increased so greatly without there having been any
> > large-scale wars and in an era in which government didn't mobilize the
> > whole population for war or impose wartime measures, until recently, that
> > is, when it has instituted the DHS, the Patriot Act, disregarded the
> > Constitution, ramped up torture and assassinations, started ruling by
> > executive orders, and has taken police state measures.
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> > But it did happen. It happened in two periods mainly: 1973 to 1992 and
> > again from 2001 to the present.
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> > In my opinion, the government's nature and its spending have both been
> > hugely influenced by the military-industrial complex in this era. Between
> > 1952 and 1965, military spending was between $55 to $60 billion a year,
> > roughly. The Korean War drove it up from the $20 billion mark and it never
> > went back. The Vietnam War drove it up to the $100 billion mark, and it
> > never went back. After that war, it just went up, up and up relentlessly
> > under Carter, Reagan, and Bush I until Clinton took office in 1992. Bush II
> > resumed the upward drive and it hasn't yet stopped under Obama.
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> > There is absolutely no need for such high spending. Americans were just as
> > safe in 1950, 1960 and 1970. They didn't need to go to war in either Korea
> > or Vietnam to have stayed safe, much less ramp up a military force after
> > the Vietnam War ended.
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> > The proponents of this war footing have persuaded large numbers of
> > Americans that they are unsafe and must have an empire abroad to be safe.
> > Goverment finds support in the press and in Congress for spending enormous
> > amounts of money to maintain American military personnel overseas and/or to
> > deploy expensive weapons systems everywhere.
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> > This level of spending is totally irrational and unnecessary for safety. A
> > look back to 1950, 1960 and 1970 reveals that. The collective purchase,
> > deployment and use of excessive armaments is like any purchase of a good in
> > that its utility is psychological. Pardon me, then, for saying that the
> > psychology of the American public that keeps electing hawks and big
> > military spenders to Congress is warped, sick and pathological. It is
> > paranoid, overly fearful, overly aggressive, and stupid in its hatreds and
> > prejudices.
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> > This spending is also tremendously wasteful and harmful to economic
> > progress. It is no accident that while this spending has been sharply
> > rising, the median family income in the U.S. has been stagnant. Taxes are
> > extracted to finance military spending that has no payback. Those taxes
> > throttle private investment in projects that improve labor productivity,
> > wages and productivity. The pool of savings that could go to free market
> > activities is diverted into military waste. This is a heavy burden on the
> > American economy.
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Re: Letter to the Editor

Our government today limits our freedom by regulating EVERY aspect of
our lives.
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He who is brave is free.

But those same politicians order the military to go defend our
freedom .
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sending American soldiers to Korea, VN, Iraq and Afghanistan was
defending our freedom?
hogwash


On May 13, 3:04 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> Here is a letter I just wrote to the editor of my hometown newspaper.  I am really tired of all the letters worshipping our military 'heroes'.  Thanks for inspiring me.To the Editor,
> Please don t call me America Hater .  It s tough for me to understand all this military worship. I retired from the military.  I flew Special Operations aircraft and logged combat time.  I flew supersonic jets in pilot training.  It was a blast.
> How did I defend freedom ?  Our government today limits our freedom by regulating EVERY aspect of our lives.  But those same politicians order the military to go defend our freedom .
> Compare that to  the private sector.  Businesses ask for nothing except a chance to make your life better and they work their butt off to do it, or go out of business.  In the military the taxpayers were forced to pay for my flying.  American private businesses have shown the world why freedom is so wonderful by giving us the greatest wealth in history.  Business has done this despite being hamstrung by ridiculous regulations from our freedom-defending government.  What has the military, through the government, given us?  From 1981-2001, there were 42 suicide missions against the US.  From 9/11 to 2011, there were 1,833, according to The University of Chicago s Project on Security and Terrorism.
> Don t military members die for our freedom?  In 2010, there were 462 combat-related deaths.  The military had more deaths from suicide than combat in 2010.  Were all those deaths worth it ?  I have never felt threatened by an Afghani or Iraqi.  9/11 was run by Saudis that trained in Minnesota.
> In 2010 6,210 private sector workers died to IMPROVE your freedom according to the Bureau of Labor and Statistics.  More truckers and farmers were killed doing their jobs, than military were killed doing theirs. If you look at deaths per 100,000 workers, military  doesn t even break the top 10.
> Yet I am always thanked for my military service and told by the media that my corporation is greedy and evil.  Next time you feel like thanking someone, don t thank me.  Thank an entrepreneur or private sector employee.
> Hal Cranmer

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Factual proof，HuJintao and WenJiabao are criminal offenders

Factual proof，HuJintao and WenJiabao are criminal offenders

 

The Bank of Beijing has been using illegal and criminal means to grow up since it was found 16 years，its criminal behavior covered China Central and Beijing enterprises and government organs at all levels．2005，The Beijing Municipal Government colluded with The China Banking Regulatory Commission (CBRC) to use the opportunity that Bank of Beijing fourth time increase capital，approved Bank of Beijing to illegal public issue 100 million original shares，the legal approval"京银监复[2004]871号" of CBRC to Bank of Beijing stipulates only limited to issue shares to internal employees，Bank of Beijing did not operate in accordance with the legal approval of CBRC，didn't issue shares to internal employees，used original shares bribery，illegal public issued  100 million original shares，illegal public offering amount 200 million RMB， violated Chinese Criminal Law article 179，committed the crime of "issue shares without approval"．

 

This is HuJintao WenJiabao made GSP in order to buy support from dignitaries，100 million original shares of Bank of Beijing illegal public issued to more than 500 descendants of Chinese dignitaries，including a large number of juveniles，the criminal offender who Bank of Beijing chairman YanBingzhu became a representative of 17th Congress of the CPC and a member of the 11th national committee of CPPCC by this credit．

 

In September 2007，The China Securities Regulatory Commission (CSRC) approved Bank of Beijing to illegal list on The Shanghai Stock Exchange (its stock code is 601169)，according to "Chinese Securities Law article 50，Measures for the Administration of Initial Public Offering and Listing of Stocks article 25"，the major criminal offence of illegal public issue shares occurred within the latest three years before IPO，Bank of Beijing has not listing qualifications，it must be delisting．

 

At the end of this month，it has been exposed that Bank of Beijing illegal public issue 100 million original shares，this event was known as "Bank of Beijing baby shareholders event"，I was one of the main revealers．National People burned with rage，rallied to denounce Bank of Beijing and CSRC．The Central Commission for Discipline Inspection of the CPC refused to accept the case，CSRC and CBRC kept silence，experts and professors came forward chicanery for Bank of Beijing，Beijing Municipal Government and Bank of Beijing started public relations crisis management，it was sealed that all media reporters actively explored the identity of the baby shareholders，China's main web site full deleted the negative information about Bank of Beijing．Bank of Beijing bankruptcy is them own bankruptcy，HuJintao WenJiabao Government denies Bank of Beijing crimes，Bank of Beijing is not subject to any legal sanctions under their strict protection．

 

From 2005 to 2008，CSRC violated the provisions of Chinese Securities Law，allowed securities companies to illegal create stock warrants，openly robbed 100 billion wealth on the stock exchange，hundreds of thousands  investors bankrupted，several people committed suicide，the investors of request compensation for the loss were all suppressed．

 

2001，I was suppressed and crowded out during work in Bank of Beijing， Bank of Beijing，its accomplices and corrupted background used rogue means to persecute my whole family．After forced to resign，I expose Bank of Beijing illegal criminal behavior，follow after freedom and democracy，criticize the Bank of Beijing corrupted background that HuJintao WenJiabao Government's serious problems in the worke．Specially in the financial field ：case of sale Chinese banking，case of rigging the stock market and illegal creation stock warrants，case of Bank of Beijing illegal public issue 100 million original shares and illegal listed，and so on．

 

In April 2008，they vindictive attacked on me，the HuJintao WenJiabao Government criminal detained me on criminal charge of "inciting subversion of state power"．In Detention House，the police said I objected and libeled HuJintao WenJiabao，false accused Bank of Beijing，HuJintao WenJiabao were very angry，forced me to write apology letter for HuJintao WenJiabao，after jailed in psychiatric hospital，persecuted me with drug，jailed 186 days totals．Warning me and my parents when released，can no publish democratic article again，can not criticize HuJintao WenJiabao again，can not expose the crimes of Bank of Beijing again，otherwise will be re-jailed in psychiatric hospital long term．Slander me as a mental illness is for life-long persecution me，facilitate re-jailed me in psychiatric hospital whenever necessary，prevent me disclosure their rule evil，prevent me protection rights to sue them，in order to protect their illegal interests．

 

The HuJintao WenJiabao Government always monitors my home，flagrant persecutes descendants of the old revolutionary and democratic righteous personages whole family．In order to be able to live no threatening free and normal life in the future，I only exile abroad to seek help to the old anti-fascist allies．In Early 2009，after I non-publicly sent out apply for political asylum，the HuJintao WenJiabao Government detected it．In order to prevent me going abroad to disclose their rule evil，they brutally crippled my elder sister．For three years，the Public Security Bureau，Health Bureau，the Court，judicial expertise institutions，hospitals complicit collective falsified evidence and delayed time，divulged secret information to the perpetrator，shielded the perpetrator to escape，did not assume any criminal liability and civil liability，Beijing's doctors did not give my sister to do surgery，then my sister has not obtained surgical treatment so far，leading my sister to necrosis of femoral head，lost the labor ability．HuJintao WenJiabao Government threatened re-jailed me in psychiatric hospital several times，they thought that still cannot completely trap my family in China，then stole my name disseminating terror information on the Internet，attempt to slander me as terrorist again．

 

11 years from 2001 to the present，the Bank of Beijing，its accomplices and  corrupted background，the Chinese Government have been constantly threatening and using Mafia-like rogue means to brutally persecute me and my family．They severed my family survival and development in China，killed one person in my family，crippled one person in my family，wounded two persons in my family，life-long persecution to my whole family．My grandfathers went through fire and water to seize state power，my fathers sweat and shed blood to guard the country，to me is the third generation then was persecuted as political refugee by HuJintao WenJiabao Government，lawless deprived my political rights，civil rights of safeguard the National law，and subsistence rights――the first human rights of The Communist Party has repeated advertised．

 

Shouting democracy and legal system to make corruptionist lose all standing and reputation，family break up and decimate，HuJintao WenJiabao defraud people's trust，act as corrupted background and protector of criminal offenders，suppress democracy，break the law，trample human rights，really made the people of answered the call anti-corruption lost all standing and reputation，family broken up and decimated，my family is a living example．Decade the more anti-corruption，the more corruption，the more anti-corruption，the more corruptionist and the more fiendish，they are not against corruption but true corruption，they are not incompatible with corruption，but in complete harmony with corruption．They protect accomplices unscrupulously，give Bank of Beijing almost all of the honorary title，the more crime，the more glory，the more corruption，the more advanced．They eradicate dissidents unscrupulously，would like to use any charge persecution what they want，would like to use any means persecution what they want，would like to persecute how long what they want， as long as dare to let them upset，they dare life imprisonment dissidents．HuJintao WenJiabao Government above the low，without morality axiom justice humanity．

 

I prepare to sue the Bank of Beijing and the Chinese Government at USA to protect my family rights．Request the Court to sentence illegal-listed Bank of Beijing delisting，created stock warrants an offence．CBRC，CSRC，Beijing Municipal Government，Bank of Beijing and those 26 securities companies of participation illegal creation stock warrants jointly compensate the loss for secondary market investors．Request the Chinese Government compensates my family $ 20 billion for the political persecution，economic persecution，spiritual persecution，and personal injury on my family，and apply for the Court enforcement，use the Chinese Government holding of US treasuries to pay．Other democratic and righteous people in exile who persecuted by the Chinese Government refer this case to apply for compensation，carve up the Chinese Government holding of US treasuries，then return to China to take part in the political reform，construct democracy and legal system in China．

 

The loss is enormous，Bank of Beijing，its listed underwriters CITIC Securities Co．，Ltd (CITICS) (China's largest securities company，listed in Shanghai，code is 600030，and listed in Hong Kong，code is 06030) and China Securities Co．，Ltd (CSC) will certainly bankrupt，the remaining loss will compensate by CBRC，CSRC，Beijing Municipal Government and other securities companies．China will break out political crisis and financial crisis，tens of thousands senior officials of Central and Beijing Municipal will out of power，Chinese society will also change．

 

When court decisions back to China，the great influence in national people's heart of Bank of Beijing baby shareholders event and illegal creation stock warrants event will be full outbreak．The Bank of Beijing that hold one trillion RMB assets and have a significant impact on Beijing local declares bankruptcy，China major securities companies collapse，the Chinese Government's investment in US loses 50%，will bring about the Shanghai composite index drop to below 1000 points，fall 60% to 70%．at this time we can sell short financial products of China to earn huge profits on New York Stock Exchange，Hong Kong stock exchange，Singapore Exchange．The crisis is a brief，under the strong lead of the new leadership， Chinese stock market will quickly rebound，rising more than double to three times，then we will buy in financial products of China to reap much more staggering profits again．This process will also affect crude oil futures，gold futures，and other commodity futures to create more profit opportunities．

 

Hope foreign financial institutions and legal institutions to concerted action for mutual benefit．My family urgent need advanced medical treatment abroad，I am willing to transfer exclusive reporting rights that protection my family rights at US to a United States television stations，and making a political film with current material of China．Wish you can provide financial assistance，legal aid and medical assistance，in return I will give you unprecedented great investments interests．

 

 

reference：

 

我的文章《北京银行婴儿股东事件是政权集体腐败的结果》

 

我的文章《申请政治避难》

 

《中国刑法》第一百七十九条

 

《中国证券法》第五十条

 

《首次公开发行股票并上市管理办法》（证监会令第32号）第二十五条，

 

国务院办公厅《关于严厉打击非法发行股票和非法经营证券业务有关问题的通知》（国办发[2006]99号）

 

最高人民法院和最高人民检察院、公安部、中国证监会四家机构联合下发《关于整治非法证券活动有关问题的通知》（证监发[2008]1 号）

 

最高人民检察院、公安部《关于公安机关管辖的刑事案件立案追诉标准的规定(二)》

 

 

 

 Ran Zheng

February 2, 2012

Room 1607，Building No．3，No．50 Waiguandongjie Street，

Chaoyang District，Beijing，China

Zip Code：100011

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