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White House OKs military detention of terrorism suspects

Phil Hirschkorn, CBS News 12/14/2011 The White House is signing off on a controversial new law that would authorize the U.S. military to arrest and indefinitely detain alleged al Qaeda members or other terrorist operatives captured on American soil. As the bill neared final passage in the House of Representatives and the Senate on Wednesday, [...]

Re: 2011.10.28 DETROIT - MODEL FOR THE FUTURE? - NOT!

Good Morning PlainOl,

Your Wiki article is thoughtful, and usually I don't use Wiki for examples of political theory.

I have no hatred of Islam. I have studied Islam, long before the September 11, 2001 tragedy, and I understand the threat that Islam and its leadership poses to the world. Again, Dr. Paul indicated last night that he doesn't understand this threat. There was one comment he made about how Islam doesn't attack Switzerland or Sweden......I broke out laughing!

In a perfect world, Dr. Paul's logic is.....Logical. Unfortunately, Dr. Paul is just flat out naive regarding foreign policy and world affairs.

I am rushed this morning, but I will follow up with examples of what I speak of, and attempt to demonstrate why the term "Neo-Con" is so misplaced by Ron Paul and his misinformed supporters.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:30 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

Again, I don't think you know what a NeoCon is.
---
I do and you have already admitted that you don't
here's a primer ... read it thoroughly
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

You have been filled
with such hatred and misinformation
---
cite specific hatred
you're the one with a hatred for islam ... a religion with just as
many kooks as xianity and judaism

On Dec 14, 5:04 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Again, I don't think you know what a NeoCon is. You have been filled
> with such hatred and misinformation, that you wouldn't know the truth if it
> hit you right square in the ass.
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:56 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Your views on isolationism,
> > ---
> > I don't advocate isolationism ... but you do advocate imperialism
>
> > extremism,
> > ---
> > exemplified by the US invasion of the middle east
>
> > and anti-semitism are noted.
> > ---
> > you're accusation has been noted ... so has has your allegiance to the
> > imperialist warmongering zionist neocons
>
> > On Dec 14, 2:02 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Your views on isolationism, extremism, and anti-semitism are noted.
>
> > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:53 AM, plainolamerican <
> > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > there is no socialist-elitist Democrat who is
> > > > going to bring prosperity to any community, State, region or on the
> > > > federal level
> > > > ---
> > > > agreed
>
> > > > then there's the waste of our nation's wealth and soldiers on other
> > > > countries (interventionism) at the hands of the republicans and
> > > > democrats
>
> > > > vote for Ron Paul and rebuild America as a powerhouse, without
> > > > imperialist warmongering
>
> > > > On Dec 14, 9:57 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > The bottom line, is that there is no socialist-elitist Democrat who
> > is
> > > > > going to bring prosperity to any community, State, region or on the
> > > > > federal level. The socialist-elitist Democrats have not brought any
> > new
> > > > > ideas or thoughts to the table in over seventy years. It is a broken
> > > > down
> > > > > simplistic, "Help Your Fellow Man" theory that again, is broken and
> > will
> > > > > not work in any Nation, State or community. It has failed
> > miserably,
> > > > but
> > > > > yet socialist Elitist Democrats, (*e.g.;* they are either Moonbats
> > or
> > > > > they are Anti-American, one of the two and there is no other
> > explanation
> > > > > for anyone being a Democrat anymore) continue to believe that
> > Marxism,
> > > > > Maoism, Stalinism, Trotskyism, Communism, et. al, are all really
> > > > > wonderful systems of social, economic and political justice, we just
> > > > > haven't had the right folks implementing these systems yet.
>
> > > > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:50 AM, <drob...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > The corruption and devastation certainly became palpable with
> > Coleman
> > > > > > Young, but let's not forget the contribution from Jennifer
> > Granholm and
> > > > > > Kwame Kilpatrick.
>
> > > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > > *From: *"Keith In Tampa" <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > *To: *politicalforum@googlegroups.com
> > > > > > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:42:24 AM
> > > > > > *Subject: *Re: 2011.10.28 DETROIT - MODEL FOR THE FUTURE? - NOT!
>
> > > > > > Frosty Woolridge hit the nail on the head in this column. Thanks
> > for
> > > > > > sharing Travis. I hope everyone takes the time to read the column.
>
> > > > > > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > >> ** **
>
> > > > > >> A quick check of google, indicates that Detroit has NEVER had a
> > > > > >> conservative mayor!****
> > > > > >> ------------------------------
>
> > > > > >> ** **
>
> > > > > >> Don't think this could not happen elsewhere.****
>
> > > > > >> ****
>
> > > > > >> *DETROIT** - A MODEL FOR THE FUTURE?* ****
>
> > > > > >> [image:
> > cid:ECB352C5B1944AEFB58352952FC313C3@ownerPC]
> > > > > >> Frosty Wooldridge *(born 1947)* is a US journalist,
> > > > > >> writer, environmentalist, traveler.****
>
> > > > > >> DETROIT
> > > > > >> By Frosty Wooldridge****
>
> > > > > >> For 15 years, from the mid 1970's to 1990, I worked in Detroit,
> > > > Michigan.
> > > > > >> I watched it descend into the abyss of crime, debauchery, gun
> > play,
> > > > > >> drugs, school truancy, car-jacking, gangs and human depravity. I
> > > > watched
> > > > > >> entire city blocks burned out. I watched graffiti explode on
> > > > buildings,
> > > > > >> cars, trucks, buses and school yards. Trash everywhere!****
>
> > > > > >> [image: cid:X.MA2.1312373...@aol.com]****
>
> > > > > >> Detroiters walked through it, tossed more into it, and ignored it.
> > > > Tens
> > > > > >> of thousands, and then hundreds of thousands today exist on
> > federal
> > > > > >> welfare, free housing, and food stamps!****
>
> > > > > >> *With Aid to Dependent Children, minority women birthed 8 to 10
> > and in
> > > > > >> one case, one woman birthed 24 children as reported by the Detroit
> > > > Free
> > > > > >> Press, all on American taxpayer dollars.*****
>
> > > > > >> [image: cid:X.MA3.1312373...@aol.com]****
>
> > > > > >> A new child meant a new car payment, new TV, and whatever mom
> > wanted.
> > > > I
> > > > > >> saw Lyndon Johnson's 'Great Society' flourish in Detroit . If you
> > give
> > > > > >> money for doing nothing, you will get more hands out taking money
> > for
> > > > doing
> > > > > >> nothing.****
>
> > > > > >> Mayor Coleman Young, perhaps the most corrupt mayor in America,
> > > > outside
> > > > > >> of Richard Daley in Chicago, rode Detroit down to its knees... He
> > set
> > > > the
> > > > > >> benchmark for cronyism, incompetence, and arrogance. As a black
> > man,
> > > > he
> > > > > >> said, "I am the MFIC." The IC meant "in charge".
> > > > > >> [image: cid:X.MA4.1312373...@aol.com]
> > > > > >> You can figure out the rest. Detroit became a majority black city
> > > > with 67
> > > > > >> percent African-Americans.****
>
> > > > > >> As a United Van Lines truck driver for my summer job from teaching
> > > > math
> > > > > >> and science, I loaded hundreds of American families into my van
> > for a
> > > > new
> > > > > >> life in another city or state.****
>
> > > > > >> Detroit plummeted from 1.8 million citizens to 912,000 today. At
> > the
> > > > > >> same time, legal and illegal immigrants converged on the city for
> > the
> > > > > >> free government hand outs, so much so, that Muslims number over
> > > > 300,000.
> > > > > >> Mexicans number 400,000 throughout Michigan, but most work in
> > Detroit.
> > > > > >> As the whites moved out, the Muslims moved in.
> > > > > >> [image: cid:X.MA5.1312373...@aol.com]
> > > > > >> As the crimes became more violent, the whites fled. Finally,
> > unlawful
> > > > > >> Mexicans moved in at a torrid pace. Detroit suffers so much
> > > > shoplifting
> > > > > >> that grocery stores no longer operate in many inner city
> > locations.
> > > > You
> > > > > >> could cut the racial tension in the air with a knife! Detroit may
> > be
> > > > one of
> > > > > >> our best examples of multiculturalism: pure dislike, and total
> > > > separation
> > > > > >> from America.****
>
> > > > > >> Today, you hear Muslim calls to worship over the city like a new
> > > > American
> > > > > >> Baghdad with hundreds of Islamic mosques in Michigan, paid for by
> > > > Saudi
> > > > > >> Arabia oil money. High school flunk out rates reached 76 percent
> > last
> > > > June,
> > > > > >> according to NBC's Brian Williams. Classrooms resemble more
> > foreign
> > > > > >> countries than America. English? Few speak it! The city features
> > a 50
> > > > > >> percent illiteracy rate and growing.
> > > > > >> [image: cid:X.MA6.1312373...@aol.com]
> > > > > >> Unemployment hit 28.9 percent in 2009 as the auto industry
> > vacated the
> > > > > >> city. In Time Magazine's October 4, 2009, "The Tragedy of Detroit:
> > > > How a
> > > > > >> great city fell, and how it can rise again," I choked on the
> > writer's
> > > > > >> description of what happened. "If Detroit had been ravaged by a
> > > > hurricane,
> > > > > >> and submerged by a ravenous flood, we'd know a lot more about it,"
> > > > > >> Said Daniel Okrent. "If drought and carelessness had spread brush
> > > > fires
> > > > > >> across the city, we'd see it on the evening news every night."
> > > > Earthquake,
> > > > > >> tornadoes, you name it, if natural disaster had devastated the
> > city
> > > > that
> > > > > >> was once the living proof of American prosperity, the rest of the
> > > > country
> > > > > >> might take notice.
> > > > > >> [image: cid:X.MA7.1312373...@aol.com]
> > > > > >> But Detroit, once our fourth largest city, now 11th and slipping
> > > > rapidly,
> > > > > >> has had no such luck.****
>
> > > > > >> Its disaster has long been a slow unwinding that seemed to remove
> > it
> > > > from
> > > > > >> the rest of the country. Even the death rattle that in the past
> > year
> > > > > >> emanated from its signature industry brought more attention to the
> > > > auto
> > > > > >> executives than to the people of the city, who had for so long
> > been
> > > > > >> victimized by their dreadful decisions making.
>
> > > > > >> [image: cid:X.MA8.1312373...@aol.com]
> > > > > >> As Coleman Young's corruption brought the city to its knees, no
> > > > amount of
> > > > > >> federal dollars could save the incredible payoffs, kickbacks and
> > > > illegality
> > > > > >> permeating his administration. I witnessed the city's death from
> > the
> > > > seat
> > > > > >> of my 18-wheeler tractor trailer because I moved people out of
> > every
> > > > sector
> > > > > >> of decaying Detroit.****
>
> > > > > >> "By any quantifiable standard, the city is on life support.
> > Detroit 's
> > > > > >> treasury is $300 million short of the funds needed to provide the
> > > > barest
> > > > > >> municipal services," Okrent said. "The school system, which six
> > years
> > > > ago
> > > > > >> was compelled by the teachers' union to reject a philanthropist's
> > > > offer of
> > > > > >> $200 million to build 15 small, independent charter high schools,
> > is
> > > > in
> > > > > >> receivership.****
>
> > > > > >> The murder rate is soaring, and 7 out of 10 remain unsolved. Three
> > > > years
> > > > > >> after Katrina devastated New Orleans , unemployment in that city
> > hit
> > > > a peak
> > > > > >> of 11%. In Detroit today, the unemployment rate is 28.9%. That's
> > worth
> > > > > >> spelling out: twenty-eight point nine percent. ****
>
> ...
>
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Re: Newt Gingrich: Demagogue, Pseudointellectual

Your man made his case against "Preventative War" last night in the debate. I imagine we will see the results of Dr. Paul on the next round of poll numbers, but I would bet a dollar and a beer that Paul does not win Iowa, after last night. A bet I would not have made earlier yesterday.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:44 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

don't think you know what a NeoCon is. I really don't.

---
educate yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
you will see 3 main points:
- the promotion of democracy at the end of a gun
- interventionism and control of other nations
- jewish influenced for israel's sake

please state (at your convenience!) what specifically you
oppose about "NeoCon" policy

---
all of the above

On Dec 14, 1:40 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PlainOl';
>
> I don't think you know what a NeoCon is. I really don't.
>
> Moreover, please state (at your convenience!) what specifically you
> oppose about "NeoCon" policy. Be careful! Pop quiz coming.....
>
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:05 PM, plainolamerican

> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Newt is just another neocon. Neocons control the xians and jews who
> > hate the muzzies and those against interventionism in the middle east.
>
> > know the enemy
>
> > On Dec 14, 9:56 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > Sunday, December 11, 2011Newt Gingrich: Demagogue,
> > PseudointellectualPosted by Sheldon Richman at6:59 AMUpdated December
> > 12Newt Gingrich says the Palestinian people were invented. That's very
> > funny coming from a man who has reinvented himself a few times in his life.
> > We didn't need more evidence of Gingrich's status as a rank demagogue and
> > pseudointellectual, but he's furnished it anyway.
> > > Gingrich, in his typically arrogant manner, says this:And I think that
> > we've had an invented Palestinian people, who are in fact Arabs, and were
> > historically part of the Arab community. And they had a chance to go many
> > places.By "chance to go many places" he means that while being expelled
> > from their homes by Zionist/Israeli forces in 1947-48, they were free to
> > relocate in any Arab country they chose. If I were to mimic Gingrich's
> > style, I'd say that's a pro-FOUND-ly racist statement. Since these people
> > are generic Arabs, why should it matter that someone else decides that they
> > may no longer remain in Palestine where they and their families have lived
> > and worked for a thousand or more years? (In the early twentieth century,
> > incidentally, leading Zionist activists and scholars thought the
> > Palestinians Arabs were descendants of the ancient Hebrews.)
> > > We could as easily say:And I think that we've had an invented
> > Pennsylvanian people, who are in fact Americans, and were historically part
> > of the American community. And they had a chance to go many places.Even if
> > we concede, contrary to the evidence, that Palestinian consciousness is a
> > rather late development, so what? It would not be the first time that
> > oppression of a group of people has forged group consciousness. Indeed,
> > Theodor Herzl, the founder of the Zionist movement, was an assimilated Jew
> > in Austria until the trial ofAlfred Dreyfusin France. Herzl's response to
> > that spectacle was to say, in effect: It's the anti-Semites who make us
> > Jews.
> > > In other words, Gingrich makes no sense when he suggests, as he did at
> > theDecember 10 debate, that since the Arabs of Palestine didn't call
> > themselves Palestinians until the 1970s, their uprooting from the land was
> > perfectly okay. How does that follow?
> > > On the particular historical question of Palestinian
> > consciousness,Wikipediais instructive. Also see Jeremy Sapienza'sblog
> > poston the subject. And here's something Gingrich might want to ponder: the
> > dialect known asPalestinian Arabic. The invented people have their own
> > language!
> > > Here's what theEncyclopedia Brittanicahas to say:Although the Arabs of
> > Palestine had been creating and developing a Palestinian identity for about
> > 200 years, the idea that Palestinians form a distinct people is relatively
> > recent. The Arabs living in Palestine had never had a separate state. Until
> > the establishment of Israel, the term Palestinian was used by Jews and
> > foreigners to describe the inhabitants of Palestine and had only begun to
> > be used by the Arabs themselves at the turn of the 20th century; at the
> > same time, most saw themselves as part of the larger Arab or Muslim
> > community. The Arabs of Palestine began widely using the term Palestinian
> > starting in the pre-World War I period to indicate the nationalist concept
> > of a Palestinian people. But after 1948and even more so after 1967for
> > Palestinians themselves the term came to signify not only a place of origin
> > but, more importantly, a sense of a shared past and future in the form of a
> > Palestinian state. [Emphasis added.]Not to pile on, but in 1921 -- more
> > than 50 years before the Palestinian people were supposedly invented --
> > something called theSyrian-Palestinian Congressmet "to influence the terms
> > of the proposed League of Nations mandate over the region." The word
> > Palestine (or a form of it) goes back toancient times.
> > > As theWashington Post's fact-checkerput it:But Gingrich's claim that
> > "Palestinian" did not become a common term until 1977 is bizarre. The very
> > [1921] League of Nations mandate that he mentions was called "The British
> > Mandate for Palestine." The text of the declaration mentions the word
> > "Palestine" 45 times and "Palestinian" twice.Speaking of inventing people,
> > Gingrich might pick up Shlomo Sand's excellent book,The Invention of the
> > Jewish People. Sand, a professor history at Tel Aviv University, shows that
> > most national groups were essentially invented.
> > > SeeRichard Silverstein's excellent commentary.
> > > Here's the video of Gingrich's balderdash.

> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dHWJWJocD6ATho...think Palestine was a "land without a people" before Israel, should
> > watch this video.
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JGBoGKPZlQEhtt...

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Friday, December 16, 2011

White House OKs military detention of terrorism suspects

New post on ACGR's "News with Attitude"

White House OKs military detention of terrorism suspects

Re: 2011.10.28 DETROIT - MODEL FOR THE FUTURE? - NOT!

Re: Newt Gingrich: Demagogue, Pseudointellectual

Fwd: Ron Paul: Shock the World

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