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Reason happy Hour <http://www.meetup.com/libertarian-364/events/35181152/t/ea1.2_grp/?rv=ea1.2>
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Wednesday, September 28, 2011
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Happy Hour Event with FIRE, Reason, and Students For Liberty S Time Wednesday, September 28 · 6:00pm - 8:00pm

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Re: JP Korea Minister resign on 1 hour loadsheding....

theak kaha agar hoti tu ab tak tak chullo bhar pani mein mar na jati

2011/9/27 iqbal sheikh <iqbalyat@gmail.com>

sir ! hakoomat k paas sharam naam ki koi cheez nhi.

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Riaz Jafri <jafri@rifiela.com> wrote:

Why compare the Korean minister with ours?

Sharam humko magr nahi aati !!

Col. Riaz Jafri (Retd)

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JP Pakistan Should Accuse Pentagon And CIA Of Murdering Rabbani

Pakistan Should Accuse Pentagon And CIA Of Murdering Rabbani

Posted: Tue, 27 Sep 2011

by Ahmed Quraishi – PakNationalists.com

Ironically, the assassination removed a friend of Pakistan and served the interests of Pentagon, CIA and their Afghan allies. While avoiding confrontation, Pakistan needs to speak up and not let disinformation dominate the air waves. Here are key points that weaken American propaganda.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—There is a reason why the United States has ignored the cold-blooded murder of ex-Afghan president Burhanuddin Rabbani and focused all its energies instead on the attacks on US embassy and NATO offices in Kabul.

The assassination neatly fits in with the interests of three parties: US military, CIA and their Afghan warlord allies. It might well be the first planned murder of a senior Afghan government official opposed to US meddling in Afghan reconciliation.

This is the work of the same American lobbies opposed to President Barrack Obama's Afghan pullout plan and his defense budget cuts.

There is no credible confirmation yet on who exactly eliminated the man who served as President Karzai's key manager of reconciliation with Afghan Taliban and someone who recently converted into a friend of Pakistan.

After the assassination, the United States military and intelligence tried to create a wedge between Kabul and Islamabad by invoking an alleged Pakistani hand. But this was effectively countered by Pakistani officials, who have become accustomed to American games. Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani's quick dash to Kabul to offer condolences and support and later army chief's cool and calm response to Leon Panetta and Mike Mullen's anti-Pakistan outbursts helped counter the attempt to poison Karzai's newfound understandings with Islamabad.

Rabbani wanted to see Afghan Taliban sharing power and entering government. He was suspected by of being a closet Taliban sympathizer who was hatching conspiracies with Karzai and Pakistan behind the back of the United States and its Afghan warlord allies. The assassination took care of this emerging threat. Blaming Pakistan for his murder – and for other major attacks – built pressure on Karzai to sever ties with Islamabad. Such a move would have destroyed Pakistan's strategy of working closely with Karzai – and Rabbani – to reach a deal with Afghan Taliban and re-empower the Pashtuns despite American opposition.

In short, it is Pakistan that should be raising questions about the mystery of who killed Mr. Rabbani and not vice versa, especially when the list of suspects and motives points toward foreign forces and their local proxies.

The only party that was well prepared to make the most out of Rabbani's murder was Pentagon and CIA. Both of them moved quickly on two fronts: domestic politics and Pakistan. Domestically, the Panetta-Mullen duoorganized a joint anti-Pakistan briefingon 22 September and later Mullen appeared before US Senate armed services committee.

The domestic objectives of Pentagon and CIA from this anti-Pakistan campaign are:

1. Save the skin of US military and intelligence officials responsible for security lapses in Afghanistan

2. Dodge accountability

3. Send a message that major cuts in defense budget won't be acceptable, and

4. Underline that Afghanistan continues to require foreign military and intelligence presence

Afghanistan today is CIA's largest base of operations anywhere in the world. The agency is loath to abandon an outpost that gives it direct access to the backyards of several strategic nations at once: Iran, Pakistan, China and Russia. No sane strategist would let go of such an opportunity. Mr. Rabbani's peace mission may not have shown initial signs of success but it had already upset the policy direction favored by US military, intelligence and their Afghan warlord allies. India was also skeptical about the Rabbani-Karzai plans. Ending the isolation of the Pakhtun and incorporating them into Afghan power structure has never appealed to these parties. Another common denominator among these parties is their expressed anti-Pakistanism.

In fact, whoever assassinated Mr. Rabbani was also aiming at ensuring that Afghanistan remains an anti-Pakistan outpost. Islamabad has advocated ending the policy of isolating the Pashtun and worked hard to convince Mr. Karzai that friendship and respect for the legitimate interests of both Afghanistan and Pakistan is in both nations' interests and would benefit stability in the region. Mr. Rabbani had made several overtures to Pakistan in recent months. In January he used the platform of Geo television to address Pakistanis. He spoke in Urdu as a special gesture.

PAKISTAN'S RESPONSE

Pakistan is pursuing the right policy with regards to American provocations. What is lacking in this policy is the media edge. For example, several Pakistani officials have sent strong direct and indirect messages to Washington recently. The list includes the Prime Minister, Foreign Minister, Interior Minister, Chief of Army Staff and ISI director. But Pakistan faces a sweeping campaign of demonizing the country. This American policy continues since 2004. Both political and military establishments have failed to counter the American narrative. The danger in the massive American campaign is that it paves the way for stronger future actions and limits global support for Pakistani positions. An example is the intense propagandist reporting on Iraq's WMD in 2002 which helped Washington invade that country on fake evidence.

We need to become more overt in questioning US positions with regards to several key issues. This includes:

1. CIA support and safe havens for terrorists meddling in Balochistan

2. TTP's easy access to US weapons

3. The freedom of movement granted to anti-Pakistan terrorists inside US-controlled Afghan territory

4. The intense demonization of Pakistan primarily and largely in mainstream US media as part of an undeclared American policy

5. Transforming US-controlled Afghanistan into a hub for anti-Pakistan forces in the region

6. Meddling in Pakistani politics

7. Buying out Pakistani media and attempts to plant mouthpieces in print and TV.

We should also review the argument that we can't abandon America's war on terror to ensure US aid flow and to fight domestic extremism. Washington will keep Pakistan afloat but will continue to drag its feet on key strategic issues such as energy generation and access for Pakistani textiles to US market. The US won't sign any written agreements on CIA's illegal activities inside Pakistani territory and airspace. As for domestic extremism, apart from TTP terror group that is linked to the Afghan mess, all other forms of domestic extremism are an internal Pakistani issue and should be delinked from America's Afghan war.

All of this strengthens the argument that we need to declare an end to our direct participation in America's Afghan war, known as the war on terror. Bilateral Pak-US cooperation to find an end solution in Afghanistan can continue. The move will give us a chance to redesign our relations with Washington and get rid of the verbal commitments made earlier.

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Re: Calling All Polite, Rational Cain Supporters

Cain, like Bachmann, Perry, and Romney, is an admitted zionist and
won't put the USA's interests aside from Israel.
They are not one of our states and do not have anything to offer
America except as a threat to our security. They spy on us, have
killed our soldiers, sell our technology and weapons to potential
enemies, promote socialism and a religious state that excludes
everyone except jews.

you're either an American or something else

On Sep 27, 1:17 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> September27thCalling All Polite, Rational Cain SupportersTom WoodsThe other day Iwroteabout the Florida straw poll that Herman Cain won by a substantial margin. I didn't call anyone stupid or evil for supporting Cain. I laid out some facts that appear to speak against him to anyone who supports the market economy and a free society. The three I pointed to in the post were his support for TARP, his 2008 endorsement of Mitt Romney (whom Cain supporters claim they despise), and his failure to see the housing collapse coming or even to detect that something might be wrong with the bubble economy. It's worse than that, actually he gave the economy a clean bill of health practically until the collapse came. That is a serious problem. How can we want someone in charge at a critical moment like this whose grasp of the economy is evidently so poor?
> I did not invent these things. They really happened. They need to be addressed.
> Here are the replies I received from Cain supporters:1. There's a reason why Mr. Cain has run multi-million dollar corporations amazingly well, and you have not. Mr. Cain knows what he's talking about, and your just a talking head rattling off rhetoric, and nonsense. You think you are better than those who lack your credentials. NEWS FLASH: YOU ARE NOT! Mr. Cain could school you in humility, which you definitely need educated in. get off your damn pedestal, at the end of the day, you aren't special.How many of my concerns are addressed here? Zero. Evidently it is "rhetoric" and "nonsense" to say Cain supported TARP and Romney, and didn't perceive the housing bubble at all. It's "rhetoric" and "nonsense" to say Americans need to understand what causes the booms and busts in our economy.
> As for Cain's ability to run businesses, what on earth does that have to do with my post?
> What's more, as Ludwig von Mises showed long ago (inBureaucracy, Yale University Press, 1944), it isliterally impossibleto run government like a business. Business firms make decisions via forecasts of consumer demand, with those forecasts being informed by the existing array of prices, the profits or losses they have earned, and from general entrepreneurial insight. They then decide, on this basis, whether they have too many or too few people in customer service, in order fulfillment, or whatever; whether they should invest in more capital equipment; whether they should discontinue a whole line of products, etc.
> Government can't do this. It doesn't make profits or losses; it merely seizes what it wants from the public. Thus it has no way of knowing what the public actually wants or the intensity with which it wants it. It can't know if it should produce more of X or more of Y, how it should produce those things, where it should produce them, etc. It must grope in the dark. All the Ross Perots and Herman Cains in the world cannot change the nature of government, which is a non-market institution.2. Herman Cain is by far the strongest supporter of the FairTax. That gets him my vote.Granted, this one also doesn't answer any of my objections, but at least it's polite. My reply:
> I would think we'd want opponents of taxes, not supporters. He said in Florida that any tax reform must be revenue neutral. That alone disqualifies him.
> Anything revenue neutral is a bad idea. I guess I just don't share the optimism of the FairTax people, who seem to think the system is basically fine but just needs to be funded differently. Say what?
> The only way this monster is going to be cut down to size is if serious, radical changes are made, including repealing taxes andnot replacing them with anything. Any other approach is just another shell game, another example of D.C. fakery. "Tax reform" is always and everywhere a D.C. trick. Taxrepealis what we want.3. I have been listening to Mr. Cain for years. Many years. I don't see anyone who is more sincere than he. His wife doesn't want him to be president, I heard the story that said she was miffed when some reporter said how cain couldn't win. Because his whole life…anyone who said he couldn't do something was proved wrong.
> He's not doing this for glory. He has plenty of other things to do with his time.
> And when he supported TARP (which I did/do not) – he did get a lot of flak from people. but that's what he thought was a good thing…I think it's a breath of fresh air to have a candidate of ANY party that is free to speak his/her mind. That isn't afraid to not be in lockstep with 'the leadership.'I don't question his sincerity. He could be a decent guy. That's not my gripe. The mention of TARP, which I appreciate because it at least addresses my post, is much more relevant. The fact that he thought it was a good thing isn't an argument. You claim he "isn't afraid to not be in lockstep with 'the leadership,'" but on TARP he sure was!
> And this is what counts: when the chips were down, he sided with the establishment: the GOP leadership, the Democratic leadership, theNew York Times, and all the rest. Now I've heard it claimed that Cain supported the original rationale for TARP but turned on the program when it went in a different direction. But the original rationale for TARP was rotten, too. Meanwhile, Cain was lecturing "free-market purists" for opposing it.
> Is that what we need? Someone who will lecture "free-market purists" as if that were the problem in the U.S. today?4. You really can't handle people thinking ON THEIR OWN and believing WHAT THEY WANT and WHO THEY WANT.
> Go back to Alabama where y'all are safely hidden away with your books and your Stink tank, Mr Woods.So this one makes no argument at all. It says I am upset because people disagree with me. No, I am upset because there are serious problems with Herman Cain that his supporters refuse to address. This comment carries on that tradition.
> In fact, this comment is completely irrational. People should decide on "who they want" but not actually have to defend that decision, and anyone calling on them to do so is a meanie who should just shut his mouth.5. I have watched the debates and Cain has been the the most coherent of all the candidates. Yes he had some lapses in the libertarian orthodoxy (Jim DeMint also supported Romney in 08) but he carries himself as a leader better than all the other Republican candidates.This is neither insulting nor irrational, so it wins the prize. But it's no real answer.
> I think we are talking more than just "lapses" in "libertarian orthodoxy." When the chips were down, he went with the establishment and supported TARP. I'm supposed to believe that the next time the chips are down he'll be a maverick? Sure.
> That someone would make a decision based on something as superficial as how a candidate "carries himself" is deeply disturbing and, unfortunately, quite revealing. If he can't perceive the signs of a bubble economy, I don't care if he's Spencer Tracy on stage.
> So my question is, are there Cain supporters out there who will reply to my concerns straightforwardly and without insulting me? Again, I want to know why his support for Romney (of all people!) isn't a cause for concern, why his support for TARP isn't an indication that he'll support the next scam the establishment promotes as a necessary emergency measure, and why we should want someone making decisions about the economy who completely failed to diagnose its true condition in the years leading up to the collapse.
> Meanwhile, I refer people to myresource page on Cainand myYouTubeon the subject.http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/calling-all-polite-rational-cain-supporters/

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