Who just stood in front of the UN and said the US will veto any bid
for Palestinian statehood?
However, I not only don't like Perry's reasoning, I think it borders
on illegal. "Borders"
But then, would you rather him not tell us?
Try and sort that out. I'm not sure I can
On Sep 21, 3:36 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> the idea that a US President's religious convictions will compel him
> to support a foreign government, regardless of whether that support
> serves specifically American interests, is appalling – and dangerous.
> ---
> and very unAmerican
> Perry, like Bachmann, is a zionist and should be seen as the enemy.
>
> otoh - Ron Paul:
> - would not stop Israel from defending her interests in any way she
> saw fit - but without US support
> - has also been criticized for wanting to "end foreign aid to Israel."
> He had in fact called for an end to all foreign aid in general.
> - will not allow American lives to be sacrificed for Israeli interests
>
> Interviewer: [...]"Why do you think that so many US officials,
> Congress, Senate, show overwhelming support to involving the US over
> there?"
>
> Ron Paul: [...] "It's been going on for more than 50 years, because
> there has been a pretty strong case made for the Jewish people being
> treated quite badly, and emotionally there was an argument for having
> a place they can call their homeland, and people bought into this. But
> even then there was no justification for us to be using our money for
> doing that.
>
> On Sep 21, 1:43 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Perry's Faith-Based Foreign Policy DirectiveGod says: 'Put Israel first'byJustin Raimondo, September 21, 2011
> > If Rick Perry makes it to the White House, what will American foreign policy in the Middle East look like? We got a clear indication of that, recently, whenhe stated:"As a Christian I have a clear directive to support Israel, from my perspective its pretty easy both as an American and a Christian. I am going to stand with Israel."
> > Earlier, inan interviewwith theWeekly Standard, he was even more emphatic, averring that "My faith requires me to support Israel."
> > What kind of faith requires knee-jerk support for a foreign country? Apparently, Perry is a follower of a Protestant brand of Christianity known as "dispensationalism," which holds that the End Times are approaching – and thatone of the signsof the imminent apocalypse is the gathering of the Jews in the land of Israel, as supposedly foretold in the Bible. Some dispensationalists equate this with the founding of the Israeli state, in 1947, and the subsequent migration of many Jews to that country. According to dispensationalist theology, this phenomenon prefigures the start of an earth-shattering war, one that will pit Israel against the Forces of Darkness, herald the rise of the Anti-Christ, and ignite a battle that will take place on the field of Armageddon – after which Christ will return to earth and the faithful will be "raptured" up into Heaven.
> > Now, I don't intend to disparage anyone's religious beliefs, nor do I want to engage in the kind of snickering that usually accompanies commentary on this subject: everyone is entitled to their own faith, and, aside from that, there is something a little unsavory about the smugness and self-righteousness that is usually attached to discussions of the impact of Christian fundamentalism on American politics. There isno religious testfor holding office in these United States, and it seems to me that some liberals have been trying their best to establish one – a test ofirreligion– in order to marginalize millions of Americans. This kind of intolerance is mirrored, on the right, by some – like GOP presidential aspirantHerman Cain, for example – who have raised questions about the ability of religious Muslims to have their voices heard, or even to hold office.
> > However, the idea that a US President's religious convictions will compel him to support a foreign government, regardless of whether that support serves specifically American interests, is appalling – anddangerous. And we can see how dangerous it is by looking at Governor Perry's attacks on the Obama administration for supposedly not kowtowing to Tel Aviv with sufficient obeisance. At a press conference held in New York City, where heappearedwith an Israeli government official, Perrydeclared:"It is time to change our policy of appeasement toward the Palestinians to strengthen our ties to the nation of Israel, and in the process establish a robust American position in the Middle East characterized by a new firmness and a new resolve."What, exactly, does this "policy of appeasement" consist of? The Obama administration isdeterminedto veto the Palestinian statehood proposal being advanced in the UN Security Council, and hasmade it clearthat the US government stands behind the Israelis in their attempt to grab as much land – via theconstructionof "settlements" – as they can, all of it funded bygenerousdollops of American "foreign aid."
> > Who is being "appeased" here – the Palestinians, or the Israelis?
> > Perry supports continued "settlements" of Palestinian lands, and also says he wants to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem – a symbolic affirmation of Israel's claim to the "undivided" capital of the Jewish state. This contradicts the policies of two Republican presidents – both named George Bush. It also violates the essential meaning and function of US foreign policy – to protect specifically American interests. We gain nothing by weighing in on where the capital of the state of Israel shall be – although I'll note that nearly every successful presidential aspirant madesuch a promiseduringthe campaign season. That this promise was summarily broken once they got in the White House speaks volumes about the politics – and the reality – of this issue.
> > Perry says we should "stand by Israel," our faithful ally and the only state in the region with a long democratic tradition, and this proposition seems reasonable enough – until one begins to examine it a little more closely. Because the Israel of yesteryear – the Israel ofExodus, of the "peace process," of theliberal humanistic traditionout of which Labor Zionism sprang – is not the Israel of today.
> > The foreign minister of the Jewish state is oneAvigdor Lieberman, a fanatic whose bigotry and aggressively nationalistic views have made him an embarrassment even to the hardline government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. For example, when relations with Turkey soured, Liebermanthreatenedto arm the PKK – a Kurdish terrorist group that has been attacking the Turks for years. Netanyahutriedto distance his office from such irresponsible ranting, but when I awoke, this morning, to the news thata bombhad gone off near government offices in Ankara, I wasn't all that surprised.
> > This raises serious questions about who, exactly, is in charge in Tel Aviv – the crazies, represented by Lieberman and the "settlers," or Netanyahu?
> > However, a larger question needs to be raised: what has Israel become in the years since the signing of theCamp David Accords? Since that time, the Israeli electorate has moved so farto the right– that is, in the direction of expansionist nationalism – that there seems to be no room for moderates of any stripe. After years ofnurturing,subsidizing, and otherwiseencouragingthe "settler" movement – which is imbued with the ultra-Zionist dream of establishing a "Greater Israel" – the chickens, so to speak, have come home to roost. The settler movement represents almost as great a threat to the stability and authority of the Israeli government as the radical Palestinianfactions– greater, perhaps, because the danger is coming from within.
> > Perry is encouraging this tendency in Israeli politics: he appeared at the press conference with Israeli Knesset memberDanny Danon, an ultra-nationalist rival to Netanyahu whowants to revokethe citizenship of Arab Knesset members on dubious grounds, and heads up the wing of Likud that considers even a hardliner like Netanyahu asell-out. Danon is the darling of the settler movement, and enjoys more support outside of Israel than he does on his home turf. He headed up the ultra-extremistBetar group– an organization which has its origins in an early wing of the Zionist movement thatmodeled itselfon the example of Italian fascism, merely draping a "Zionist" façade over an authoritarian vision of a homogenousvolkishstate. He is a regular on America's "Israel First" circuit, lecturing to groups of born-again dispensationalists – Perry's crowd – as well as more mainstream venues, updating Betar's authoritarian stance bycalling for legal sanctionsagainst those who organize "anti-Israel" boycotts, which apparently also means boycotts of "settler" products.
> > By appearing on the same stage with Danon, Perry is legitimizing and encouragingthe worstimpulses in Israeli society – and puttingour own interestsat risk. If Israel should implode in civil war – and, with the settlers getting increasingly militant, and inopen rebellionagainst the Israeli government – it is numbskull opportunists like Perry who will bear a large part of the blame. By egging on the Israeliequivalentsof the Aryan Nations, they will wind up with blood on their hands.
> > Aside from that, it hardly seems all thatpresidentialfor the would-be Republican nominee to be onstage with Bibi's rightist rival in the Likud party – not someone who came in second in the bid for the party leadership, but Danon, who came inthird!
> > What gets me is that these people actually believe they are helping Israel, when their actions are the quickest way to destabilize that country I can think of. A Christian of the dispensationalist variety, who truly believes that the safety of Israel is of paramount concern to God, would have no reason to incite an extremist element to violence against the legitimate government of Israel. And even if that government came to embrace that extremism – and, say, was taken over by the Liebermans and the Danons – their policies would endanger Israel's very existence, and deliver the
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