Wednesday, March 2, 2011

Re: Christians are Actively Persecuted in England? by Sean Gabb


for sure children should never be  adopted  soldiers with no real ID gangsters and anarchists rape adopted children in group homes hostils hospitals
drug dealors abuse adopted children and they are told have no legal rights
homosexuals torture and defraud adopted children and try to merchandise them because they believe dictators should oppress them and caste them for enslavement and not allow them to drive a car because that makes it harder to look for work
 
persons adopted do not recieve quality education or employment they are abused by thieves bisexuals homosexuals cult members and anarcharists that should never medle in family affairs because they refuse to practice or teach safe sex customs
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:49 AM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:



 

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Free Life Commentary,
A Personal View from
The Director of the Libertarian Alliance
Issue Number 205
1stMarch 2011 

How Long Before Christians are
Actively Persecuted in England?
by Sean Gabb

I think it would be useful to begin this article with a brief statement of the facts. Eunice and Owen Johns are an elderly couple from Derby, who fostered a number of children in the 1990s, and who recently offered their services again to Derby City Council. Their offer was rejected on the grounds that, as fundamentalist Christians, they might teach any children in their keeping that homosexual acts were sinful. They took legal action against the Council, arguing that their beliefs should not be held against them. On the 28th February 2011, judgment was given against them in the High Court. The Judges ruled that, where the laws against discrimination are concerned, sexual minorities take precedence over religious believers. Because Mr and Mrs Johns might not remain silent about sexual ethics, there was a danger to the "welfare" of children taken from their homes by the Council.

The Judges insisted that this did not represent a "blanket ban" on the fostering of children by religious believers. There was no issue involved of religious liberty – no precedent being set for wider discrimination by the authorities. It was simply a matter of child welfare. You can read all this for yourself on the BBC website.

I think we can take it as read that the Judges were talking hot air about the nature of the precedent they were setting. There is already a modest but settled ruling class bias in this country against Christianity. This does not extend, so far as I can tell, to Jews and Moslems. But the bias does certainly apply to fundamentalist Christians, especially when it is a matter of what they believe and might say about homosexuality. Yesterday, they were barred from fostering, and perhaps also from adoption. It is only a matter of time before they are barred from teaching. It is conceivable that they will eventually be classed – on account of their beliefs – as unfit parents and will have their children taken away from them. Before that happens, of course, there will be laws against home education, and an inquisition in the schools of what they have been telling their children.

This is my most important observation arising from the case. The issues in themselves are not at all to my taste. I dislike the idea of fostering. There are times, I accept, when people are so violent or negligent that children must be taken away for their own protection. In these few instances, though, I prefer that children should be kept in orphan asylums or offered for adoption. The present system allows immense numbers of children to be snatched away by social workers – often for trivial, and even perhaps for corrupt, reasons – and then put into the temporary care of strangers. I will not deny that many foster parents do as fine a job as circumstances allow. Probably, Mr and Mrs Johns were good foster parents in the 1990s, and would have been again. Even so, those who volunteer as foster parents are giving support to a system that is mostly used to steal children who are in no reasonable danger.

Also, I oppose all anti-discrimination laws. People have rights to life, liberty and property. Deriving from these are the specific rights to freedom of speech and association, and to due process of law. No one has the right not to be hated or despised, or not to be excluded. People have the right to hate or despise anyone they happen to take against, and – so long as they refrain from any breach of the rights mentioned above – the right to put their beliefs into action. While there is good reason for insisting that the authorities should not discriminate, I fell no general sympathy for people who make use of anti-discrimination laws to get their way.

But, this being said, I return to the matter of our ruling class bias against Christians. Why? Why should Christians be so disliked? Why should Christian hoteliers be persecuted for refusing to take in homosexual guests, or refusing to let them occupy double beds? Why should Christians not be protected – given our apparently comprehensive anti-discrimination laws – when forbidden to wear crosses at work? Why should banknotes be printed with pictures on them of Charles Darwin? The facts that Darwin was a great man, and that I think he was right about evolution, are beside the point. For very large number of British citizens, he was a gross blasphemer. Why are the few British colonies that remain being ordered to remove any reference to Christianity from their constitutions? Why do many local authorities keep trying to rename Christmas as Winterval? Why is there so much evidence, both anecdotal and on the record, of an official bias against Christianity?

One answer, I suppose, is the current power of the homosexual lobby. The prejudice against homosexuality that has existed throughout much of European history is blamed – perhaps unjustly – on the Christian Faith. Certainly, Christian leaders were, until very recently, forthright in their condemnation of homosexual acts, and they opposed the legalisation of such acts. There are many homosexual activists on the lookout for historical revenge, and who are making use of every law that now stands in their favour.

But I am not satisfied by this explanation. It is impossible to know how many homosexuals there are – indeed, sexual preference should not be seen as a matter of homosexual or heterosexual, but instead as a spectrum on which most people cluster far from the extremes. But there are not that many embittered homosexual anti-Christians. If they are being listened to at the moment, I do not believe it be because they are powerful in themselves. They are getting a hearing because what they say is what those in power want to hear.

We are moving towards a persecution of Christianity because Christians believe in a source of authority separate from and higher than the State. Until recently, it was the custom of absolute states to make an accommodation with whatever church was largest. In return for being established, the priests would then preach obedience as a religious duty. Modern absolute states, though, are secular. Such were the Jacobin and the Bolshevik tyrannies. Such is our own, as yet, mild tyranny. In all three cases, religion was or is a problem. Though a Catholic, Aquinas speaks for most Christians when he explains the limits of obedience:

"Laws are often unjust.... They may be contrary to the good of mankind... either with regard to their end - as when a ruler imposes laws which are burdensome and are not designed for the common good, but proceed from his own rapacity or vanity; or with regard to their maker – if, for example, a ruler should go beyond his proper powers; or with regard to their form – if, though intended for the common good, their burdens should be inequitably distributed. Such laws come closer to violence than to true law.... They do not, therefore, oblige in conscience, except perhaps for the avoidance of scandal or disorder." (Summa Theologiae, I-II, 96, 4, my translation)

Certain kinds of bad law do not bind in conscience. And there may be times when even the avoidance of scandal or disorder do not justify obedience. Then, it will be the duty of the Faithful to stand up and say "No!" It will be their duty to disobey regardless of what threats are made against them. Any ruling class that has absolutist ambitions, and is not willing or able to make an accommodation with the religious authorities, will eventually face a wall of resistance. It will eventually go too far, and command things that cannot be given. The French Revolutionaries were taken by surprise. The Bolsheviks knew exactly what they were doing when they hanged all those priests and dynamited those churches. Our own ruling class also knows what it is doing. The politically correct lovefeast it has been preparing for us throughout my life requires the absolute obedience of the governed – absolute obedience to commands that no fundamentalist Christian can regard as lawful. Therefore, the gathering attack on Christianity.

As said, this does not yet apply to the other religions. The Jews are untouchable. Besides, religious Jews are a minority within a minority, and involve themselves in our national life only so far as is needed to separate themselves from it. The Moslems and others are not really considered part of the nation. Otherwise, they are considered objective allies of the new order under construction. Otherwise, no one wants to provoke them to rioting and blowing themselves up in coffee bars. But it goes without saying that they must eventually be persecuted should the Christians ever be humbled.

I think this explains what is happening. Whatever the case, it is wrong. Now, the accepted rule for defending any unpopular group is to begin with a disclaimer – for example: "I am not myself a Christian/homosexual/white nationalist, etc. Indeed, I bow to no man in the horror and disgust these people inspire in my heart." There are further protestations that depend on the circumstances. But the concluding plea is the same: "It is therefore only out of a possibly misguided commitment to Victorian liberalism that I ask for these people not to suffer the extreme penalties of law. All else aside, it sets an unwise precedent that may be used on day against undoubtedly good people."

Well, I do not propose to make this sort of defence. I am a Christian of sorts, and I think that even fundamentalist Christianity is a very fine religion. It is the historic faith of my country, and part of my national identity. It is also connected, however loosely, with the growth of civility and the rule of law. I do not like to see it persecuted. And the persecution is wrong in itself. I may not have a clear message to give about the refusal to let two elderly Pentecostalists to become foster parents. But I do object to the creeping delegitimisation of the Christian Faith in England. Any Christian who is willing to stand up and speak in the terms set by Thomas Aquinas gets my support.

But now – and only now – that I have said this, I will talk about precedents. Sooner or later, the present order of things will come to an end. It is based on too many false assumptions about human nature. It is based, indeed, on too many misapprehensions about the natural world. In the short term – even without pointing guns at them – people can be bullied into nodding and smiling at the most ludicrous propositions. In the longer term, bullying always fails. The Bolsheviks had seventy years, and murdered on a scale still hard to conceive. They never produced their New Soviet Man. Except for the worse, they never touched the basic nature of the Russian people. Our own ruling class will fail. What new order will then be established I cannot say. But I suspect it will be broadly Christian.

What we shall then see may not be very liberal. Possibly, homosexual acts will be made criminal again, or everything just short of criminal. I spent my early years as a libertarian denouncing the legal persecution of homosexuals. I have now spent years arguing against persecution by homosexuals. I may sooner or later need to turn round again. As with all collective revenge, the individuals affected will not be those who are now behaving so badly – just as those now persecuted probably did not make any fuss about the 1967 Act that legalised most homosexual acts. But that is the nature of collective revenge. Because the most prominent homosexual leaders have not been satisfied with a mere equality of rights, ordinary homosexuals in the future may find the current precedents used against them.

For the moment, however, England is a country where Christians are fair game for harassment. I do not suppose that the case of Mr and Mrs Johns will be my last reason for commenting on this fact.

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    Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

    Dear MJ: Though you were a party crasher (and in your schizophrenic
    mind you may still be one, at times), the last reply of yours has been
    read and appreciated. Please LOSE the over-sized, YELLING
    quotations! And LOSE your, mostly insincere... "With Regard$".
    Honesty is the most important virtue! Don't stab-someone-in-the-back
    and then say... With Regard$. If you had the maturity and clear
    thinking ability of Keith in Seoul, you wouldn't be without good
    manners. — J. A. A. —
    >
    On Mar 2, 8:40 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
    > Television and the Media has merely served as the 'reinforcement' and 'supplemental' to the Government School indoctrination. The Duopoly utilizes this reality with their 'messages' as well.
    > An educated (not schooled, but critical thinking and understanding of basic concepts) electorate would go a long way toward correction. I would assert that THIS -- above all else -- is the key.
    > One need only to SEPARATE school and state to accomplish such. If Churches and the religious yahoos who are so desperately opposed to those taking God and prayer, etc, out of the Government's Schools would INSTEAD take their children out ... we could go a long way toward CORRECTING this nonsense.
    > Regard$,
    > --MJFor what is meant by saying that a government ought to educate the people? Why should people be educated? What is education for? Clearly, to fit the people for social life -- to make them good citizens. And who is to say what are good citizens?  The government: there is no other judge. And who is to say how these good citizens may be made? The government: there is no other judge. Hence the proposition is convertible into this -- a government ought to mold children into good citizens ... It must first form for itself a definite conception of a pattern citizen; and, having done this, must elaborate such system of discipline as seems best calculated to produce citizens after that pattern. This system of discipline it is bound to enforce to the uttermost. For if it does otherwise, it allows men to become different from what in its judgment they should become, and therefore fails in that duty it is charged to fulfill.  -- Herbert SpencerAt 04:25 AM 3/2/2011, you wrote:A couple of days ago, John Armistead wrote this: "When TV first started, everything was live.  Reporters went where the news was happening and interviewed people on the scene.  Many times
    > those people were so nervous being live on-camera, that they didn't respond well.  So, the God-damned media started "interviewing" (conversing with) others on their staff.  Today, it is practically unheard of to have a live interview of anyone not employed by the media.  What they do is to explain the news event, then give an almost immediate assessment of what that news event means to politics or etc.  It all happens so fast that ordinary people don't have time to reason through the implications of a news story before the the media brain-washes them with their slants or spins on the news.  An
    > informed electorate is absolutely necessary for having a people-controlled government."==== Say what you will, I find this to be very astute, and pretty much on point.   There is room for news commentary, and we have always had shows such as "Meet The Press";  which usually came on Sunday mornings,  but John's point is well taken.  A part of the problem, (if there is a problem)  is that we now have 24 hour news channels, which require "filler".  Thus, the rise of folks like O'Reilly,  Hannity,  Olbermann,  Maddow, Matthews, etc., etc., etc. But there has also been a blurring of the lines now, and even at the local level;.  We have news reporters now commenting and opininig on the news, which was never heard of ten years ago.   Anderson Cooper,  Britt Hume,  Diane Sawyer, Katie Couric;  they all "comment and opine" now, versus reporting the news.  This is very much a slippery slope.  NBC went so far this past election cycle as selling Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as some type of fair and balanced news reporters who were covering elections.  I caught it, and I thinik most thinking Americans caught it, but I saw my daughter, (who is a 26 year old Moonbat) and others who viewed Olbermann and Matthews as legitimate news reporters.  They are not, and therein lies the danger.  I think this is what John points to, and his point is well taken.  Whether there needs to be something contained within the Constitution addressing such an issue, is debatable.  I would say, "No".  
    >  
    > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:We have a couple (just a couple) of rules here civility is necessary (you can call someone anything you want....just do it nicely), and NO SPAMMING....You sir, SPAMMED this board with a canned answer to several posts all in a row. This is not tolerated. Live with it or say good-bye.... It is indeed YOUR choice.As to THIS:<<<Those of your ilk are NOT wanted on this post!>>>This is a PUBLIC forum.... ALL responses to ANY post are welcome under the above rules. Again, if you do not believe in Freedom of speech on any and all subjects from any and all perspectives.... Say good-bye. Again.... YOUR choice.To try to limit speech is indeed a little fascist and punishable under YOUR Constitution, NO ????On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:58 AM, NoEinstein <noeinstein@bellsouth.net> wrote:Mark:  What you have done is to be a party crasher, like MJ.  You'veoverstepped you bounds by bossing me, the author of the post, around.Anyone who would do that has to be a leftist, socialist-communist whois frightened in their loaded jockeys that I will succeed in myefforts to save America's free enterprise, capitalist system.  Thoseof your ilk are NOT wanted on this post!  — John A. Armistead —Patriot>On Feb 28, 5:44 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:> NoEinstein.... what you have done in these last posts is SPAM the board...> one more time and you go to moderation.>> On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net>wrote:>>>>>>>>>> > MJ, the party crasher, is undeserving of a reply.  — J. A. A. —>> > On Feb 28, 10:26 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:> > > >Sage 2:  Our Constitution is inside of a bomb-proof vault.  About a> > > >century ago, politicians learned how to pay the Constitution lip-> > > >service while working around the spirit of that WEAK document to do> > > >whatever they want.>> > > And how will YOUR unseen panacea Constitution CHANGE this problem?> > > Did you include "Pretty Please" throughout?> > > Oh yeah ... you cannot tell us ... you cannot show us ... you are to> > > afraid that> > > this so-called masterpiece falls short and that a bunch of rank amateur> > > imbeciles (your premise) might demonstrate such to you. Oh the> > embarrassment!>> > > >you don't qualify to judge my creative efforts for the benefit of the> > USA!>> > > Yeah, apparently this thing does not exist.> > > Why else do we get endless pomposity, fallacy spews and no delivery?>> > > Regard$,> > > --MJ>> > > Our moment permits interest in one question only: Will we, of> > > Deadwood, be more than just targets for ass-fucking? -- Al Swearengen>> > --> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum>> > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more.>> --> *Mark M. Kahle H.*> *> *> *Fila Coffee*> *www.filacoffee.com*--Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum* Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/* It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.* Read the latest breaking news, and more.--Mark M. Kahle H.Fila Coffeewww.filacoffee.com--...
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    Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

    Dear Keith: Obviously, you are bright. Anyone agreeing with me has
    to be! But you are weak-spirited to suppose that things can be left
    going as they are... and the USA will somehow... survive. There are
    three approximately equal problem areas in the USA: (1.) The horrible
    and immensely wasteful school systems; (2.) The corrupt, elitist and
    controlling media; and (3.) our career-politician-dominated
    governments, seldom deferential to the electorates. Number (2.) is
    responsible for number (3.). That's why FIXING the media has to be a
    top priority! Fixing our corrupt governments can happen very quickly
    following the ratification of my New Constitution. But fixing the
    media will require monitoring what gets said and done and imprisoning
    errant individuals, or shutting down any media not conforming to the
    very clear dictates of my New Constitution. To wit:

    "Bill of Rights and Amendments:

    1st Amendment: No law shall be made regarding the establishment of
    peaceable religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, but
    government, its campaigns, processes, slogans, and disbursements shall
    be secular. No law nor private or civil action shall abridge: the
    freedom of speech; the freedom of a fair and pro-democracy press or
    other medium; the right of People to peaceably assemble; and the right
    of any Citizen or group to petition government or any of its branches
    or departments for redress of grievances. Citizens so petitioning
    government shall receive appropriate, relevant, timely, comprehensive,
    helpful and just responses from proper authorities who have thoroughly
    read, understood, and addressed each salient aspect of the grievances
    or requests for directions or clarifications. Failure to so respond
    to a rightful petition for redress of a grievance shall, on a single
    provable instance, terminate the apt one's employment, especially
    those in management or public office—including judges and justices—who
    ignore, frustrate or give the run-around to any competent Citizen who
    has been diligent in having a grievance properly addressed, or in
    having his or her civil rights fully upheld. No judge or justice
    shall presume that by performing the above required duties, that they
    in any way might be compromising their objectivity or fairness in
    court; justice be not "blind", but well informed. *** Freedom of the
    press or other medium mandates that there be reasonable truthfulness
    in reporting. Wanton distortion of the truth, or deliberate omission
    of the truth—except in cases of obvious fiction or satire—is
    prohibited. Stating or implying that a particular news medium has a
    collective voice (we) or position on any issue is prohibited, as for
    example via: anonymous editorials; regularly occurring accompanying
    comments; commentary programs financed by, or ideologically screened
    by, the same news medium; editorials named as being authored by
    management; editorial comments by others that are in any way
    ideologically censored, omitted or screened; or by comments occurring
    at specific times or designated locations that most would come to
    associate with the management of such medium, even if such are
    innocuous. No medium shall be a forum for promoting the ideology of
    its management or owners, nor shall they employ anyone who uses such
    job to hawk their personal political preferences—at risk of loss of
    license or closure of the business. Flagrantly editing news to
    promote the ideology of management is a felony. No medium shall
    analyze, assess, summarize, or make subjective judgments about any
    pending election or referendum. Nor shall they invite others outside
    of the media to do so. But factual, thorough coverage of the
    candidates or referenda issues—on an as occurs basis—is allowed,
    provided there are no comments, nor actions, as above, and provided
    the same unbiased coverage is given to all of the candidates or to all
    of the referenda issues. It shall be a 10 year felony to repress
    truthful news reporting in any medium by threatening legal action. No
    medium can be sued for libel for presenting material authored by
    others, but if a person is harmed by the medium's content, they shall
    be allowed to reply—without editing—in that medium. Each medium shall
    respond to breaking news without considering the response of any other
    medium. Injuries due to improper news coverage or non coverage shall
    not be excused by the media response. A medium reporting on
    government shall do so thoroughly, objectively, and with detachment—
    being neither laudatory nor critical by form, and not repressing
    thoughtful dissent nor its coverage. Every medium shall favor the
    truth over supposition, without parity nor bias. False or deceptive
    commercial advertising is prohibited. Deliberate use by any
    candidate, their staffs or election committees, of false or deceptive
    campaign speeches, slogans, advertisements, humor, or innuendo is a
    felony. No organization, nor part of the media, nor any special
    interest group(s) shall in any way endorse a slate of candidates for
    public office; flagrant violation is a felony. No medium shall
    display active public records without the free consent of the apt
    parties."

    And ... "It shall be a felony for any government official or employee,
    or any celebrity or media idol—past or present—to publicly endorse or
    campaign on behalf of any candidate for public office or job.
    Exhibiting ideological bias in a job terminates the employment.
    Candidates for public office shall be disqualified for soliciting new
    voter registrants; and no campaign shall aid or organize the
    transportation of voters to the polls.

    Keith, I FIX the media problems, not simply cross-my-fingers and hope
    the problems go away. I say: If something is BROKE, fix it! Time
    and again, that's what my New Constitution does! — John A. Armistead
    — Patriot


    >
    On Mar 2, 4:25 am, KeithInSeoul <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > A couple of days ago, John Armistead wrote this:
    >
    > *"When TV first started, everything was live.  Reporters went where the news
    > was happening and interviewed people on the scene.  Many times
    > those people were so nervous being live on-camera, that they didn't respond
    > well.  So, the God-damned media started "interviewing" (conversing with)
    > others on their staff.  Today, it is practically unheard of to have a live
    > interview of anyone not employed by the media.  What they do is to explain
    > the news event, then give an almost immediate assessment of what that news
    > event means to politics or etc.  It all happens so fast that ordinary people
    > don't have time to reason through the implications of a news story before
    > the the media brain-washes them with their slants or spins on the news.  An
    > informed electorate is absolutely necessary for having a people-controlled
    > government."
    > *
    > ====
    >
    > Say what you will, I find this to be very astute, and pretty much on
    > point.   There is room for news commentary, and we have always had shows
    > such as "Meet The Press";  which usually came on Sunday mornings,  but
    > John's point is well taken.  A part of the problem, (if there is a problem)
    > is that we now have 24 hour news channels, which require "filler".  Thus,
    > the rise of folks like O'Reilly,  Hannity,  Olbermann,  Maddow, Matthews,
    > etc., etc., etc.
    >
    > But there has also been a blurring of the lines now, and even at the local
    > level;.  We have news reporters now commenting and opininig on the news,
    > which was never heard of ten years ago.   Anderson Cooper,  Britt Hume,
    > Diane Sawyer, Katie Couric;  they all "comment and opine" now, versus
    > reporting the news.  This is very much a slippery slope.  NBC went so far
    > this past election cycle as selling Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews as
    > some type of fair and balanced news reporters who were covering elections.
    > I caught it, and I thinik most thinking Americans caught it, but I saw my
    > daughter, (who is a 26 year old Moonbat) and others who viewed Olbermann and
    > Matthews as legitimate news reporters.  They are not, and therein lies the
    > danger.
    >
    > I think this is what John points to, and his point is well taken.  Whether
    > there needs to be something contained within the Constitution
    > addressing such an issue, is debatable.  I would say, "No".
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > We have a couple (just a couple) of rules here civility is necessary (you
    > > can call someone anything you want....just do it nicely), and NO
    > > SPAMMING....
    >
    > > You sir, SPAMMED this board with a canned answer to several posts all in a
    > > row. This is not tolerated. Live with it or say good-bye.... It is indeed
    > > YOUR choice.
    >
    > > As to THIS:
    >
    > > <<<Those of your ilk are NOT wanted on this post!>>>
    >
    > > This is a PUBLIC forum.... ALL responses to ANY post are welcome under the
    > > above rules. Again, if you do not believe in Freedom of speech on any and
    > > all subjects from any and all perspectives.... Say good-bye. Again.... YOUR
    > > choice.
    >
    > > To try to limit speech is indeed a little fascist and punishable under YOUR
    > > Constitution, NO ????
    >
    > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:58 AM, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net>wrote:
    >
    > >> Mark:  What you have done is to be a party crasher, like MJ.  You've
    > >> overstepped you bounds by bossing me, the author of the post, around.
    > >> Anyone who would do that has to be a leftist, socialist-communist who
    > >> is frightened in their loaded jockeys that I will succeed in my
    > >> efforts to save America's free enterprise, capitalist system.  Those
    > >> of your ilk are NOT wanted on this post!  — John A. Armistead —
    > >> Patriot
    >
    > >> On Feb 28, 5:44 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >> > NoEinstein.... what you have done in these last posts is SPAM the
    > >> board...
    > >> > one more time and you go to moderation.
    >
    > >> > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net
    > >> >wrote:
    >
    > >> > > MJ, the party crasher, is undeserving of a reply.  — J. A. A. —
    >
    > >> > > On Feb 28, 10:26 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
    > >> > > > >Sage 2:  Our Constitution is inside of a bomb-proof vault.  About a
    > >> > > > >century ago, politicians learned how to pay the Constitution lip-
    > >> > > > >service while working around the spirit of that WEAK document to do
    > >> > > > >whatever they want.
    >
    > >> > > > And how will YOUR unseen panacea Constitution CHANGE this problem?
    > >> > > > Did you include "Pretty Please" throughout?
    > >> > > > Oh yeah ... you cannot tell us ... you cannot show us ... you are to
    > >> > > > afraid that
    > >> > > > this so-called masterpiece falls short and that a bunch of rank
    > >> amateur
    > >> > > > imbeciles (your premise) might demonstrate such to you. Oh the
    > >> > > embarrassment!
    >
    > >> > > > >you don't qualify to judge my creative efforts for the benefit of
    > >> the
    > >> > > USA!
    >
    > >> > > > Yeah, apparently this thing does not exist.
    > >> > > > Why else do we get endless pomposity, fallacy spews and no delivery?
    >
    > >> > > > Regard$,
    > >> > > > --MJ
    >
    > >> > > > Our moment permits interest in one question only: Will we, of
    > >> > > > Deadwood, be more than just targets for ass-fucking? -- Al
    > >> Swearengen
    >
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    Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

    Mark: What you have done is to be a party crasher, like MJ. You've
    overstepped you bounds by bossing me, the author of the post, around.
    Anyone who would do that has to be a leftist, socialist-communist who
    is frightened in their loaded jockeys that I will succeed in my
    efforts to save America's free enterprise, capitalist system. Those
    of your ilk are NOT wanted on this post! — John A. Armistead —
    Patriot

    P. S.: Lots of luck on your "SPAMMING" track. It is YOU who should
    be moderated off of MY post! If I haven't said so before, you
    worthless, socialist-communist, Go to HELL!!
    >
    On Mar 1, 6:11 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > We have a couple (just a couple) of rules here civility is necessary (you
    > can call someone anything you want....just do it nicely), and NO
    > SPAMMING....
    >
    > You sir, SPAMMED this board with a canned answer to several posts all in a
    > row. This is not tolerated. Live with it or say good-bye.... It is indeed
    > YOUR choice.
    >
    > As to THIS:
    >
    > <<<Those of your ilk are NOT wanted on this post!>>>
    >
    > This is a PUBLIC forum.... ALL responses to ANY post are welcome under the
    > above rules. Again, if you do not believe in Freedom of speech on any and
    > all subjects from any and all perspectives.... Say good-bye. Again.... YOUR
    > choice.
    >
    > To try to limit speech is indeed a little fascist and punishable under YOUR
    > Constitution, NO ????
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 9:58 AM, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
    > > Mark:  What you have done is to be a party crasher, like MJ.  You've
    > > overstepped you bounds by bossing me, the author of the post, around.
    > > Anyone who would do that has to be a leftist, socialist-communist who
    > > is frightened in their loaded jockeys that I will succeed in my
    > > efforts to save America's free enterprise, capitalist system.  Those
    > > of your ilk are NOT wanted on this post!  — John A. Armistead —
    > > Patriot
    >
    > > On Feb 28, 5:44 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > > NoEinstein.... what you have done in these last posts is SPAM the
    > > board...
    > > > one more time and you go to moderation.
    >
    > > > On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:07 PM, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net
    > > >wrote:
    >
    > > > > MJ, the party crasher, is undeserving of a reply.  — J. A. A. —
    >
    > > > > On Feb 28, 10:26 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
    > > > > > >Sage 2:  Our Constitution is inside of a bomb-proof vault.  About a
    > > > > > >century ago, politicians learned how to pay the Constitution lip-
    > > > > > >service while working around the spirit of that WEAK document to do
    > > > > > >whatever they want.
    >
    > > > > > And how will YOUR unseen panacea Constitution CHANGE this problem?
    > > > > > Did you include "Pretty Please" throughout?
    > > > > > Oh yeah ... you cannot tell us ... you cannot show us ... you are to
    > > > > > afraid that
    > > > > > this so-called masterpiece falls short and that a bunch of rank
    > > amateur
    > > > > > imbeciles (your premise) might demonstrate such to you. Oh the
    > > > > embarrassment!
    >
    > > > > > >you don't qualify to judge my creative efforts for the benefit of
    > > the
    > > > > USA!
    >
    > > > > > Yeah, apparently this thing does not exist.
    > > > > > Why else do we get endless pomposity, fallacy spews and no delivery?
    >
    > > > > > Regard$,
    > > > > > --MJ
    >
    > > > > > Our moment permits interest in one question only: Will we, of
    > > > > > Deadwood, be more than just targets for ass-fucking? -- Al Swearengen
    >
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