Sunday, January 23, 2011

Re: Tucson Shooter Jared Loughner was inspired by right-wing conspiracy theory, in Zeitgeist

You are a Moonbat Lil' Tommie, and you just keep getting more ridiculous each and every post.   Now, you have confused who is on the right and who is on the left.   Stop the hate, lies and smear Lil' Tommie!  You will feel better about yourself if you let it go!!
 


 
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
There are conspiracy theorists on both the Right and on the Left.

More on the left, parroting their hateful Faux smear on Faux Noise.

Remember the Rove-Rumsfeld-Cheney-Dubya lies that led to the illegal
invasion of Iraq!

On 1/23/11, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know who reminded me of this,  it was probably you Bruce, but Rosie
> O'Donnell,  Charlie Sheen,  Cynthia "Queen Moonbat McKinney,  Ed Asner,
> Jesse "The Body" (And former voice of the Tampa Bay  Buccaneers)  Ventura,
> Whoopie Goldberg, and a host of other Moonbats are also
> conspiratorialists.....Far from anything remotely considered, "Right
> Wing".   Once again,  Lil' Tommie continues to spread hate, lies and smear,
> from the likes of a Moonbat like Michele Goldberg,  (I'm sure, a good Irish
> American gal)
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I believe I met Michelle in DC.
>>
>> Typical middle brow whoreflak.
>>
>> What makes 9/11 conspiracy theorists "right wing"?
>>
>> John Stroebel, your fellow Obama supporting yahoogroup spammer, is one,
>> and
>> he was a socialist for years, though lately he has been pretending to like
>> Ron Paul (while continuing to smear anyone who criticizes Odumbie).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Cult Web Film that Inspired Loughner
>>>
>>> by Michelle Goldberg
>>>
>>> We now know a little bit more about the matrix of ideas that helped
>>> inspire Jared Loughner's murderous rampage on Saturday. According to a
>>> friend of his interviewed on Good Morning America on Wednesday, the
>>> conspiracy documentary Zeitgeist "poured gasoline on his fire" and had
>>> "a profound impact on Jared Loughner's mindset and how he views the
>>> world that he lives in." He was also, according to his friend's
>>> father, influenced by the documentary Loose Change, a classic of the
>>> 9/11 Truth movement. This does not mean that either of these movies is
>>> responsible for making Loughner do what he did, but it does show how
>>> his madness was shaped by a broader climate of paranoia, and offers a
>>> clue as to why he targeted Gabrielle Giffords.
>>>
>>> According to his friend, Zach Osler, Loughner "didn't listen to
>>> political radio, he didn't take sides, he wasn't on the left, he
>>> wasn't on the right." Naturally, conservatives have seized upon this
>>> to exonerate themselves of charges of incitement. But it's not that
>>> simple. It's hard to place Zeitgeist and Loose Change on the
>>> conventional partisan spectrum—both come from a shadowy conspiracy-mad
>>> subculture where the far right and the far left meet. Yet it's the
>>> contemporary right, the right of Glenn Beck and the Tea Party, that
>>> has mainstreamed ideas from this demimonde in an unprecedented way.
>>>
>>> To understand how, it helps to look at the career of Alex Jones, an
>>> Austin radio host and the country's most prominent conspiracy
>>> theorist. Jones was the executive producer of Loose Change, and chunks
>>> of Zeitgeist are taken from his documentary Terrorstorm. Jones
>>> disagrees with elements of Zeitgeist—he's a Christian, while Zeitgeist
>>> attacks religion—but he's said he supports 90 percent of what's in the
>>> movie, and he promotes it on his show. "A lot of people find my work
>>> because of Zeitgeist," he said during an interview with the
>>> documentary's director, Peter Joseph.
>>>
>>> The point, again, is not that Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, or The Tea Party
>>> are responsible for Loughner's crimes. The point is that he targeted
>>> Giffords for a reason, one rooted in his unhinged interpretation of
>>> recognizable conspiracy theories.
>>>
>>> Both Zeitgeist and Alex Jones promote the idea that world events are
>>> controlled by a secretive banking cabal that is using debt to enslave
>>> us all. Zeitgeist echoes Alex Jones in warning that the United States
>>> is about to be merged with Canada and Mexico into a "North American
>>> Union" that will use a new currency, the "Amero." "When the time is
>>> right," Zeitgeist informs us, "the North American Union, The European
>>> Union, the African Union, and the Asian Union will be merged together,
>>> forming the final stages of the plan these men have been working on
>>> for over 60 years: a one-world government." This government will
>>> implant microchips in all of our arms. "In the end, everybody will be
>>> locked into a monitored control grid, where every single action you
>>> perform is documented," it says.
>>>
>>> Zeitgeist, which came out in 2007 and has since spawned two sequels,
>>> is an Internet phenomenon. The two-hour documentary is available for
>>> free online, and according to its creators, it has been viewed tens of
>>> millions of times. Its claims are heatedly debated on Ron Paul forums
>>> and anarchist websites; excerpts appear on numerous Tea Party pages.
>>> It has a global following: When it played in a South African theater,
>>> the Cape Times described it as a "disturbing reminder" of "the subtle
>>> move towards a micro-chipped society, with the world's population
>>> potentially destined to be logged onto a monitored grid, leading up to
>>> a centralized one world economy."
>>>
>>> The idea of control and manipulation is the movie's real theme,
>>> knitting together its disparate parts. Zeitgeist's second-third
>>> rehashes classic 9/11 Truth theories that purport to show that the
>>> attacks were actually an inside job. This was done, the final section
>>> argues, at the behest of a banking cabal that has repeatedly goaded
>>> the United States into war in order to solidify its wealth and power.
>>> Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at the think tank Political Research
>>> Associates and one of the country's foremost experts on right-wing
>>> movements, points out that Zeitgeist borrows liberally from the G.
>>> Edward Griffin's The Creature from Jekyll Island, an "expose" of the
>>> Federal Reserve System popular with the John Birch Society, Alex
>>> Jones, and some Tea Party groups. It also draws on ideas from the
>>> Protocols of the Elders of Zion, though it never mentions Jews.
>>>
>>> Right-wing conspiratorial beliefs have long festered on the fringes,
>>> but in the Obama era, they've been injected into the center of our
>>> politics like never before. The distance between figures like Alex
>>> Jones and the contemporary conservative movement has shrunk
>>> alarmingly.
>>>
>>> Steeped in the rhetoric of the militia movement, Jones has promoted
>>> just about every conspiracy theory out there: He even accused the
>>> Illuminati of putting its symbols in the Starbucks logo as a taunting
>>> show of strength. Though rooted in the right, he also occasionally has
>>> guests from the far left—he's hosted Democratic Congressman Dennis
>>> Kucinich [Kucinich is on the "far left"? -- WH] as well as Texas
>>> Republican Louie Gohmert. His political hero is Ron Paul—he runs
>>> RonPaulWarRoom.com, and Paul is a frequent guest on his radio show.
>>> But until recently, most conservatives disdained him. In 2007,
>>> Michelle Malkin argued that Paul's association with Jones was enough
>>> to disqualify the congressman from participating in GOP primary
>>> debates.
>>>
>>> Since then, though, Republican politics have become a lot more
>>> paranoid. Tea Party groups and Fox News started echoing Jones'
>>> warnings that the swine flu virus was really a pretext to establish
>>> martial law. Lou Dobbs went on Jones' show in 2008 to discuss the
>>> coming North American Union. In March 2009, Jones released The Obama
>>> Deception, which argued that Obama is the front man for a
>>> transnational oligarchy working to create a one-world totalitarian
>>> state. The day after it came out, the online Fox News show Freedom
>>> Watch did a joint broadcast with him. "I appreciate what you're
>>> exposing," Fox host Andrew Napolitano told Jones. "I must tell you
>>> that there was a time when the types of things that you are warning
>>> against was not discussed openly and publicly." Glenn Beck
>>> fictionalized Jones-style conspiracy theories in his 9/11 truth-themed
>>> novel, The Overton Window.
>>>
>>> People who study the right have worried for months about the
>>> consequences of paranoid beliefs about treasonous government plots. In
>>> 2009, Berlet authored a report titled, "Toxic to Democracy: Conspiracy
>>> Theories, Demonization and Scapegoating." It traced the history and
>>> dissemination of the kind of conspiracy theories floating around the
>>> right, and said, "People who believe conspiracist allegations
>>> sometimes act on those irrational beliefs, and this has concrete
>>> consequences in the real world."
>>>
>>> Loughner was caught up in the sort of conspiratorial fantasy Berlet
>>> was describing. His YouTube videos are often unintelligible, but in
>>> their moments of lucidity, they rail against manipulation of the
>>> currency system and the illegitimate power of the federal government,
>>> obsessions of the right-wing populist milieu. In this milieu,
>>> politicians like Gabrielle Giffords weren't simply wrong, they were
>>> agents of an intolerable tyranny manipulating the economy and turning
>>> Americans into slaves. Hence the vitriol and intimations of violence
>>> that scared Giffords and her staff well before Saturday's shooting.
>>>
>>> The point, again, is not that Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, or The Tea Party
>>> are responsible for Loughner's crimes. The point is that he targeted
>>> Giffords for a reason, one rooted in his unhinged interpretation of
>>> recognizable conspiracy theories. Right-wing activists and politicians
>>> have traded on such theories, giving them far more mainstream exposure
>>> and credibility than they ever had before. Experts on political
>>> violence have been arguing for months that this is extremely
>>> dangerous. People like Loughner are the reason why.
>>>
>>> To read it all:
>>>
>>> http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-13/zeitgeist-the-documentary-that-may-have-shaped-jared-loughners-worldview/
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Have a great day,
>>> Tommy
>>>
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Re: democrats -- the party of low

No Keithie, you do.

Stop calling the kettle black.

On 1/23/11, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lil' Tommie, you continously spread hate, lies and smear. Just like you
> did with Glenn Beck here in this thread, but you ignore the hateful
> rhetoric coming from the wacko left extremist moonbats. You are a classic
> example. Calling me "reich wing" is hateful. Claiming that somehow
> conservatives caused the shooting of Giffords is hateful, but more
> importantly it's a lie, and clearly there is no logic or basis for you, or
> other hate filled misguided individuals to come to such a conclusion, other
> than you are filled with hate. You realize that Americans have caught on to
> the ultimate goal of folks like you, which is a socialistic/Marxist goal,
> and the American public has rejected it. In an attempt to lash out, all you
> have left is your hateful rhetoric.
>
> How sad for you.
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No, Keithie Keth, you have it backwards.
>>
>> The violence and hate comes from the far Reich wing nuts.
>>
>> On 1/23/11, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > No Lil' Tommie, the violence comes from Moonbats like you, who post
>> > despicable hate, lies and spew:
>> >
>> > Glenn Beck
>> > Sorry Liberals, Glenn Beck Did Not Tell Viewers to Shoot People in the
>> > Head<
>> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2011/01/21/sorry-liberals-glenn-beck-did-not-tell-viewers-shoot-people-head
>> >
>> >
>> > By *Lachlan Markay* <http://newsbusters.org/bios/lachlan-markay> |
>> January
>> > 21, 2011 | 10:53
>> >
>> > Left-wing bloggers are touting their latest smear of a conservative
>> > radio
>> > talk show host and as you would expect, there's absolutely nothing to
>> > the
>> > charge.
>> >
>> > The target this time is FNC host and radio talker Glenn Beck. In a
>> segment
>> > last year, Beck warned establishment liberals that encouraging the
>> far-left
>> > revolutionary types could end up backfiring in dangerous ways. "You're
>> going
>> > to have to shoot them in the head," he warned, when the uber-leftists
>> find
>> > out that the center-leftists aren't really on board with their
>> revolutionary
>> > endgame.
>> >
>> > Clearly, as Patterico
>> > notes<
>> http://patterico.com/2011/01/20/no-charles-johnson-glenn-beck-did-not-tell-his-viewers-to-shoot-anyone-in-the-head/
>> >,
>> > "you" in that sentence is referring to the establishment left, and
>> > "them"
>> is
>> > referring to the wackos who want to do away with capitalism and
>> > "American
>> > imperialism" and such - you know, the folks who think Hugo Chavez's
>> > brand
>> of
>> > dictatorship is just swell (*video and transcript below the fold*).
>> > Read more:
>> > http://newsbusters.org/people/television/radio/glenn-beck#ixzz1BqZkM650
>> >
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Re: democrats -- the party of low

Lil' Tommie,  you continously spread hate, lies and smear.  Just like you did with Glenn Beck here in this thread,  but you ignore the hateful rhetoric coming from the wacko left extremist moonbats.  You are a classic example.  Calling me "reich wing" is hateful.  Claiming that somehow conservatives caused the shooting of Giffords is hateful, but more importantly it's a lie, and clearly there is no logic or basis for you, or other hate filled misguided individuals to come to such a conclusion, other than you are filled with hate.  You realize that Americans have caught on to the ultimate goal of folks like you, which is a socialistic/Marxist goal, and the American public has rejected it.  In an attempt to lash out, all you have left is your hateful rhetoric. 
 
How sad for you.
 


 
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
No, Keithie Keth, you have it backwards.

The violence and hate comes from the far Reich wing nuts.

On 1/23/11, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
> No Lil' Tommie, the violence comes from Moonbats like you, who post
> despicable hate, lies and spew:
>
>  Glenn Beck
> Sorry Liberals, Glenn Beck Did Not Tell Viewers to Shoot People in the
> Head<http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2011/01/21/sorry-liberals-glenn-beck-did-not-tell-viewers-shoot-people-head>
>
> By *Lachlan Markay* <http://newsbusters.org/bios/lachlan-markay> | January
> 21, 2011 | 10:53
>
> Left-wing bloggers are touting their latest smear of a conservative radio
> talk show host and as you would expect, there's absolutely nothing to the
> charge.
>
> The target this time is FNC host and radio talker Glenn Beck. In a segment
> last year, Beck warned establishment liberals that encouraging the far-left
> revolutionary types could end up backfiring in dangerous ways. "You're going
> to have to shoot them in the head," he warned, when the uber-leftists find
> out that the center-leftists aren't really on board with their revolutionary
> endgame.
>
> Clearly, as Patterico
> notes<http://patterico.com/2011/01/20/no-charles-johnson-glenn-beck-did-not-tell-his-viewers-to-shoot-anyone-in-the-head/>,
> "you" in that sentence is referring to the establishment left, and "them" is
> referring to the wackos who want to do away with capitalism and "American
> imperialism" and such - you know, the folks who think Hugo Chavez's brand of
> dictatorship is just swell (*video and transcript below the fold*).
> Read more:
> http://newsbusters.org/people/television/radio/glenn-beck#ixzz1BqZkM650
>
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Re: Tucson Shooter Jared Loughner was inspired by right-wing conspiracy theory, in Zeitgeist

There are conspiracy theorists on both the Right and on the Left.

More on the left, parroting their hateful Faux smear on Faux Noise.

Remember the Rove-Rumsfeld-Cheney-Dubya lies that led to the illegal
invasion of Iraq!

On 1/23/11, Keith In Köln <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know who reminded me of this, it was probably you Bruce, but Rosie
> O'Donnell, Charlie Sheen, Cynthia "Queen Moonbat McKinney, Ed Asner,
> Jesse "The Body" (And former voice of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers) Ventura,
> Whoopie Goldberg, and a host of other Moonbats are also
> conspiratorialists.....Far from anything remotely considered, "Right
> Wing". Once again, Lil' Tommie continues to spread hate, lies and smear,
> from the likes of a Moonbat like Michele Goldberg, (I'm sure, a good Irish
> American gal)
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I believe I met Michelle in DC.
>>
>> Typical middle brow whoreflak.
>>
>> What makes 9/11 conspiracy theorists "right wing"?
>>
>> John Stroebel, your fellow Obama supporting yahoogroup spammer, is one,
>> and
>> he was a socialist for years, though lately he has been pretending to like
>> Ron Paul (while continuing to smear anyone who criticizes Odumbie).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Cult Web Film that Inspired Loughner
>>>
>>> by Michelle Goldberg
>>>
>>> We now know a little bit more about the matrix of ideas that helped
>>> inspire Jared Loughner's murderous rampage on Saturday. According to a
>>> friend of his interviewed on Good Morning America on Wednesday, the
>>> conspiracy documentary Zeitgeist "poured gasoline on his fire" and had
>>> "a profound impact on Jared Loughner's mindset and how he views the
>>> world that he lives in." He was also, according to his friend's
>>> father, influenced by the documentary Loose Change, a classic of the
>>> 9/11 Truth movement. This does not mean that either of these movies is
>>> responsible for making Loughner do what he did, but it does show how
>>> his madness was shaped by a broader climate of paranoia, and offers a
>>> clue as to why he targeted Gabrielle Giffords.
>>>
>>> According to his friend, Zach Osler, Loughner "didn't listen to
>>> political radio, he didn't take sides, he wasn't on the left, he
>>> wasn't on the right." Naturally, conservatives have seized upon this
>>> to exonerate themselves of charges of incitement. But it's not that
>>> simple. It's hard to place Zeitgeist and Loose Change on the
>>> conventional partisan spectrum—both come from a shadowy conspiracy-mad
>>> subculture where the far right and the far left meet. Yet it's the
>>> contemporary right, the right of Glenn Beck and the Tea Party, that
>>> has mainstreamed ideas from this demimonde in an unprecedented way.
>>>
>>> To understand how, it helps to look at the career of Alex Jones, an
>>> Austin radio host and the country's most prominent conspiracy
>>> theorist. Jones was the executive producer of Loose Change, and chunks
>>> of Zeitgeist are taken from his documentary Terrorstorm. Jones
>>> disagrees with elements of Zeitgeist—he's a Christian, while Zeitgeist
>>> attacks religion—but he's said he supports 90 percent of what's in the
>>> movie, and he promotes it on his show. "A lot of people find my work
>>> because of Zeitgeist," he said during an interview with the
>>> documentary's director, Peter Joseph.
>>>
>>> The point, again, is not that Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, or The Tea Party
>>> are responsible for Loughner's crimes. The point is that he targeted
>>> Giffords for a reason, one rooted in his unhinged interpretation of
>>> recognizable conspiracy theories.
>>>
>>> Both Zeitgeist and Alex Jones promote the idea that world events are
>>> controlled by a secretive banking cabal that is using debt to enslave
>>> us all. Zeitgeist echoes Alex Jones in warning that the United States
>>> is about to be merged with Canada and Mexico into a "North American
>>> Union" that will use a new currency, the "Amero." "When the time is
>>> right," Zeitgeist informs us, "the North American Union, The European
>>> Union, the African Union, and the Asian Union will be merged together,
>>> forming the final stages of the plan these men have been working on
>>> for over 60 years: a one-world government." This government will
>>> implant microchips in all of our arms. "In the end, everybody will be
>>> locked into a monitored control grid, where every single action you
>>> perform is documented," it says.
>>>
>>> Zeitgeist, which came out in 2007 and has since spawned two sequels,
>>> is an Internet phenomenon. The two-hour documentary is available for
>>> free online, and according to its creators, it has been viewed tens of
>>> millions of times. Its claims are heatedly debated on Ron Paul forums
>>> and anarchist websites; excerpts appear on numerous Tea Party pages.
>>> It has a global following: When it played in a South African theater,
>>> the Cape Times described it as a "disturbing reminder" of "the subtle
>>> move towards a micro-chipped society, with the world's population
>>> potentially destined to be logged onto a monitored grid, leading up to
>>> a centralized one world economy."
>>>
>>> The idea of control and manipulation is the movie's real theme,
>>> knitting together its disparate parts. Zeitgeist's second-third
>>> rehashes classic 9/11 Truth theories that purport to show that the
>>> attacks were actually an inside job. This was done, the final section
>>> argues, at the behest of a banking cabal that has repeatedly goaded
>>> the United States into war in order to solidify its wealth and power.
>>> Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at the think tank Political Research
>>> Associates and one of the country's foremost experts on right-wing
>>> movements, points out that Zeitgeist borrows liberally from the G.
>>> Edward Griffin's The Creature from Jekyll Island, an "expose" of the
>>> Federal Reserve System popular with the John Birch Society, Alex
>>> Jones, and some Tea Party groups. It also draws on ideas from the
>>> Protocols of the Elders of Zion, though it never mentions Jews.
>>>
>>> Right-wing conspiratorial beliefs have long festered on the fringes,
>>> but in the Obama era, they've been injected into the center of our
>>> politics like never before. The distance between figures like Alex
>>> Jones and the contemporary conservative movement has shrunk
>>> alarmingly.
>>>
>>> Steeped in the rhetoric of the militia movement, Jones has promoted
>>> just about every conspiracy theory out there: He even accused the
>>> Illuminati of putting its symbols in the Starbucks logo as a taunting
>>> show of strength. Though rooted in the right, he also occasionally has
>>> guests from the far left—he's hosted Democratic Congressman Dennis
>>> Kucinich [Kucinich is on the "far left"? -- WH] as well as Texas
>>> Republican Louie Gohmert. His political hero is Ron Paul—he runs
>>> RonPaulWarRoom.com, and Paul is a frequent guest on his radio show.
>>> But until recently, most conservatives disdained him. In 2007,
>>> Michelle Malkin argued that Paul's association with Jones was enough
>>> to disqualify the congressman from participating in GOP primary
>>> debates.
>>>
>>> Since then, though, Republican politics have become a lot more
>>> paranoid. Tea Party groups and Fox News started echoing Jones'
>>> warnings that the swine flu virus was really a pretext to establish
>>> martial law. Lou Dobbs went on Jones' show in 2008 to discuss the
>>> coming North American Union. In March 2009, Jones released The Obama
>>> Deception, which argued that Obama is the front man for a
>>> transnational oligarchy working to create a one-world totalitarian
>>> state. The day after it came out, the online Fox News show Freedom
>>> Watch did a joint broadcast with him. "I appreciate what you're
>>> exposing," Fox host Andrew Napolitano told Jones. "I must tell you
>>> that there was a time when the types of things that you are warning
>>> against was not discussed openly and publicly." Glenn Beck
>>> fictionalized Jones-style conspiracy theories in his 9/11 truth-themed
>>> novel, The Overton Window.
>>>
>>> People who study the right have worried for months about the
>>> consequences of paranoid beliefs about treasonous government plots. In
>>> 2009, Berlet authored a report titled, "Toxic to Democracy: Conspiracy
>>> Theories, Demonization and Scapegoating." It traced the history and
>>> dissemination of the kind of conspiracy theories floating around the
>>> right, and said, "People who believe conspiracist allegations
>>> sometimes act on those irrational beliefs, and this has concrete
>>> consequences in the real world."
>>>
>>> Loughner was caught up in the sort of conspiratorial fantasy Berlet
>>> was describing. His YouTube videos are often unintelligible, but in
>>> their moments of lucidity, they rail against manipulation of the
>>> currency system and the illegitimate power of the federal government,
>>> obsessions of the right-wing populist milieu. In this milieu,
>>> politicians like Gabrielle Giffords weren't simply wrong, they were
>>> agents of an intolerable tyranny manipulating the economy and turning
>>> Americans into slaves. Hence the vitriol and intimations of violence
>>> that scared Giffords and her staff well before Saturday's shooting.
>>>
>>> The point, again, is not that Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, or The Tea Party
>>> are responsible for Loughner's crimes. The point is that he targeted
>>> Giffords for a reason, one rooted in his unhinged interpretation of
>>> recognizable conspiracy theories. Right-wing activists and politicians
>>> have traded on such theories, giving them far more mainstream exposure
>>> and credibility than they ever had before. Experts on political
>>> violence have been arguing for months that this is extremely
>>> dangerous. People like Loughner are the reason why.
>>>
>>> To read it all:
>>>
>>> http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-13/zeitgeist-the-documentary-that-may-have-shaped-jared-loughners-worldview/
>>>
>>>
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Re: Tucson Shooter Jared Loughner was inspired by right-wing conspiracy theory, in Zeitgeist

I don't know who reminded me of this,  it was probably you Bruce, but Rosie O'Donnell,  Charlie Sheen,  Cynthia "Queen Moonbat McKinney,  Ed Asner,  Jesse "The Body" (And former voice of the Tampa Bay  Buccaneers)  Ventura,  Whoopie Goldberg, and a host of other Moonbats are also conspiratorialists.....Far from anything remotely considered, "Right Wing".   Once again,  Lil' Tommie continues to spread hate, lies and smear, from the likes of a Moonbat like Michele Goldberg,  (I'm sure, a good Irish American gal)
 


 
On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Bruce Majors <majors.bruce@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe I met Michelle in DC.

Typical middle brow whoreflak.

What makes 9/11 conspiracy theorists "right wing"?

John Stroebel, your fellow Obama supporting yahoogroup spammer, is one, and he was a socialist for years, though lately he has been pretending to like Ron Paul (while continuing to smear anyone who criticizes Odumbie).



On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
The Cult Web Film that Inspired Loughner

by Michelle Goldberg

We now know a little bit more about the matrix of ideas that helped
inspire Jared Loughner's murderous rampage on Saturday. According to a
friend of his interviewed on Good Morning America on Wednesday, the
conspiracy documentary Zeitgeist "poured gasoline on his fire" and had
"a profound impact on Jared Loughner's mindset and how he views the
world that he lives in." He was also, according to his friend's
father, influenced by the documentary Loose Change, a classic of the
9/11 Truth movement. This does not mean that either of these movies is
responsible for making Loughner do what he did, but it does show how
his madness was shaped by a broader climate of paranoia, and offers a
clue as to why he targeted Gabrielle Giffords.

According to his friend, Zach Osler, Loughner "didn't listen to
political radio, he didn't take sides, he wasn't on the left, he
wasn't on the right." Naturally, conservatives have seized upon this
to exonerate themselves of charges of incitement. But it's not that
simple. It's hard to place Zeitgeist and Loose Change on the
conventional partisan spectrum—both come from a shadowy conspiracy-mad
subculture where the far right and the far left meet. Yet it's the
contemporary right, the right of Glenn Beck and the Tea Party, that
has mainstreamed ideas from this demimonde in an unprecedented way.

To understand how, it helps to look at the career of Alex Jones, an
Austin radio host and the country's most prominent conspiracy
theorist. Jones was the executive producer of Loose Change, and chunks
of Zeitgeist are taken from his documentary Terrorstorm. Jones
disagrees with elements of Zeitgeist—he's a Christian, while Zeitgeist
attacks religion—but he's said he supports 90 percent of what's in the
movie, and he promotes it on his show. "A lot of people find my work
because of Zeitgeist," he said during an interview with the
documentary's director, Peter Joseph.

The point, again, is not that Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, or The Tea Party
are responsible for Loughner's crimes. The point is that he targeted
Giffords for a reason, one rooted in his unhinged interpretation of
recognizable conspiracy theories.

Both Zeitgeist and Alex Jones promote the idea that world events are
controlled by a secretive banking cabal that is using debt to enslave
us all. Zeitgeist echoes Alex Jones in warning that the United States
is about to be merged with Canada and Mexico into a "North American
Union" that will use a new currency, the "Amero." "When the time is
right," Zeitgeist informs us, "the North American Union, The European
Union, the African Union, and the Asian Union will be merged together,
forming the final stages of the plan these men have been working on
for over 60 years: a one-world government." This government will
implant microchips in all of our arms. "In the end, everybody will be
locked into a monitored control grid, where every single action you
perform is documented," it says.

Zeitgeist, which came out in 2007 and has since spawned two sequels,
is an Internet phenomenon. The two-hour documentary is available for
free online, and according to its creators, it has been viewed tens of
millions of times. Its claims are heatedly debated on Ron Paul forums
and anarchist websites; excerpts appear on numerous Tea Party pages.
It has a global following: When it played in a South African theater,
the Cape Times described it as a "disturbing reminder" of "the subtle
move towards a micro-chipped society, with the world's population
potentially destined to be logged onto a monitored grid, leading up to
a centralized one world economy."

The idea of control and manipulation is the movie's real theme,
knitting together its disparate parts. Zeitgeist's second-third
rehashes classic 9/11 Truth theories that purport to show that the
attacks were actually an inside job. This was done, the final section
argues, at the behest of a banking cabal that has repeatedly goaded
the United States into war in order to solidify its wealth and power.
Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at the think tank Political Research
Associates and one of the country's foremost experts on right-wing
movements, points out that Zeitgeist borrows liberally from the G.
Edward Griffin's The Creature from Jekyll Island, an "expose" of the
Federal Reserve System popular with the John Birch Society, Alex
Jones, and some Tea Party groups. It also draws on ideas from the
Protocols of the Elders of Zion, though it never mentions Jews.

Right-wing conspiratorial beliefs have long festered on the fringes,
but in the Obama era, they've been injected into the center of our
politics like never before. The distance between figures like Alex
Jones and the contemporary conservative movement has shrunk
alarmingly.

Steeped in the rhetoric of the militia movement, Jones has promoted
just about every conspiracy theory out there: He even accused the
Illuminati of putting its symbols in the Starbucks logo as a taunting
show of strength. Though rooted in the right, he also occasionally has
guests from the far left—he's hosted Democratic Congressman Dennis
Kucinich [Kucinich is on the "far left"? -- WH] as well as Texas
Republican Louie Gohmert. His political hero is Ron Paul—he runs
RonPaulWarRoom.com, and Paul is a frequent guest on his radio show.
But until recently, most conservatives disdained him. In 2007,
Michelle Malkin argued that Paul's association with Jones was enough
to disqualify the congressman from participating in GOP primary
debates.

Since then, though, Republican politics have become a lot more
paranoid. Tea Party groups and Fox News started echoing Jones'
warnings that the swine flu virus was really a pretext to establish
martial law. Lou Dobbs went on Jones' show in 2008 to discuss the
coming North American Union. In March 2009, Jones released The Obama
Deception, which argued that Obama is the front man for a
transnational oligarchy working to create a one-world totalitarian
state. The day after it came out, the online Fox News show Freedom
Watch did a joint broadcast with him. "I appreciate what you're
exposing," Fox host Andrew Napolitano told Jones. "I must tell you
that there was a time when the types of things that you are warning
against was not discussed openly and publicly." Glenn Beck
fictionalized Jones-style conspiracy theories in his 9/11 truth-themed
novel, The Overton Window.

People who study the right have worried for months about the
consequences of paranoid beliefs about treasonous government plots. In
2009, Berlet authored a report titled, "Toxic to Democracy: Conspiracy
Theories, Demonization and Scapegoating." It traced the history and
dissemination of the kind of conspiracy theories floating around the
right, and said, "People who believe conspiracist allegations
sometimes act on those irrational beliefs, and this has concrete
consequences in the real world."

Loughner was caught up in the sort of conspiratorial fantasy Berlet
was describing. His YouTube videos are often unintelligible, but in
their moments of lucidity, they rail against manipulation of the
currency system and the illegitimate power of the federal government,
obsessions of the right-wing populist milieu. In this milieu,
politicians like Gabrielle Giffords weren't simply wrong, they were
agents of an intolerable tyranny manipulating the economy and turning
Americans into slaves. Hence the vitriol and intimations of violence
that scared Giffords and her staff well before Saturday's shooting.

The point, again, is not that Alex Jones, Zeitgeist, or The Tea Party
are responsible for Loughner's crimes. The point is that he targeted
Giffords for a reason, one rooted in his unhinged interpretation of
recognizable conspiracy theories. Right-wing activists and politicians
have traded on such theories, giving them far more mainstream exposure
and credibility than they ever had before. Experts on political
violence have been arguing for months that this is extremely
dangerous. People like Loughner are the reason why.

To read it all:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-13/zeitgeist-the-documentary-that-may-have-shaped-jared-loughners-worldview/


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