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Saturday, October 16, 2010

Re: Republicans Don’t Trust Americans

At what point do you realize that it is what our Government does (as opposed
to what they are supposed to do) that encourages all sorts of groups, sects and
factions to purchase what the Pull-Peddlers are selling?

Fighting the results by violating the rights of everyone will serve NOTHING
toward your purported goal.

Regard$,
--MJ

(W)e ought to be asking ourselves why corporations and
interests groups are willing to give politicians millions
of dollars in the first place. Obviously their motives
are not altruistic. Simply put, they do it because the
stakes are so high. They know government controls
virtually every aspect of our economy and our lives,
and that they must influence government to protect their
interests.

Our federal government, which was intended to operate as
a very limited constitutional republic, has instead become
a virtually socialist leviathan that redistributes
trillions of dollars. We can hardly be surprised when
countless special interests fight for the money. The
only true solution to the campaign money problem is a
return to a proper constitutional government that does
not control the economy. Big government and big
campaign money go hand in hand.
-- Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), "Texas Straight Talk," 2/4/02

At 10:41 AM 10/16/2010, you wrote:
>the court has opened the door for other governments to chose our
>leaders .
>
>On Oct 16, 10:37 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > That s what Republican campaign fund-raising groups are doing by
> > concealing their donors from the public.
> > ROTFLMAO!
> > Individuals, of course, have a right to privacy.
> > BOTH Republicans AND Democrats fo not trust Americans, but
> > it is with their lives (of course they are Peddling Pull to maintain
> > their Power).
> > Regard$,
> > --MJYou should see what the law professors on the H-LAW mailing
> list are saying about yesterday's Supreme Court First Amendment
> decision. Allowing people to purchase political ads and make
> political films without government regulation is, it seems, the end
> of the world. -- Kevin Gutzman on Citizens United v. Federal
> Election Commission
>
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Re: A Friday Night Perspective On Islam

No, They FEAR it. It causes the young to look outside.

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 9:11 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:

Good Morning Mark!

I actually agree with you, and I should have expounded a little more in that paragraph. There are actually two different issues that we are touching upon.

Those who are "movers and shakers" within Islam, hate everything that is Western. This includes our music, our Levis, our brightly lit and brightly colored fast food restaurants, as well as fast food restaurants in general. They hate Western Culture! They resent it and see it as being intrusive upon their own culture.

We, as "Westerners" in general, and when I say "Westerners"; I mean Europeans, and to some extend even Israelis, for the most part don't even see our culture as being intrusive on other cultures.

But it is. Our songs are catchy, (I guess, even Rap songs!!) our clothes are good looking, (as are our women) and most everything is designed from a marketing standpoint, to make it attractive to buy, or to shop, or to eat, or to wear, or to ride on/travel; etc., etc., etc.

I think the point you are making, is that Islam hates this.

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:13 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

Keith,

After being 100 meters from a moslem on moslem (fundamental vs.
moderate) car bombing a couple of weeks ago on the Gaza border I find
what you wrote to be well thought out yet simplified.

The area that concerns me most is this:

****Many "Liberals"; or those who are not well informed on the all

encompassing aspects of Islam, tend to blame the United States and
Western
Culture in general, for "oppressing" Muslims, forcing the Islamic
faithful
to take extreme action to defend their cultures and beliefs from
"Western
imperialism". This is really far from true, and I will try and
demonstrate
as succinctly as possible. ****

It is definitely not oppression that bothers them it is the very fact
that western culture exists at all and is more attractive to the
younger generations. It does cause the very same young men to be even
harder on the women and gays in their society as we all know one thing
to be true... give a woman an iota of freedom or liberty and she wants
the whole thing.... it is a source of constant irritation and
hypocrisy for the men and requires harsher penalties for the women.

On Oct 15, 8:52 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It was about 1991, when I started discovering what Islam was really all
> about.
>
> If anything, today, we have a government that refuses to acknowledge the
> dangers of Islam, and keeps trying to sell the American public that its only
> a few, "Radical, Fundamentalist" Muslims that somehow pose a threat.
>
> These purportedly few "Radical Fundamentalist Muslims" have caused us all
> to change our very lifestyle. They have caused both pseudo conservative
> Republicans and liberal Socialist-Elitist Democrats to pass laws curtailing
> our very liberties and freedoms.
>
> No, if our government were to realistically portray Islam as the danger that
> it really is; a danger that it rightfully portrayed of the former Soviet
> Communist Empire, then we would have long ago closed up shop on every Mosque
> in this Nation, and sent those Non-American Muslims packing.
>
>
>

> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:14 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > Until 1991 the US Government had most Americans fearful of a "communist
> > under every bed". A replacement was needed. This time there is no country
> > to muck things up by going bankrupt.
>
> > Regard$,
> > --MJ
>
> > War has all the characteristics of socialism most conservatives hate:
> > Centralized power, state planning, false rationalism, restricted liberties,
> > foolish optimism about intended results, and blindness to unintended
> > secondary results. -- Joseph Sobran
>
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Re: A Friday Night Perspective On Islam

Good Morning Mark!

I actually agree with you, and I should have expounded a little more in that paragraph. There are actually two different issues that we are touching upon.

Those who are "movers and shakers" within Islam, hate everything that is Western. This includes our music, our Levis, our brightly lit and brightly colored fast food restaurants, as well as fast food restaurants in general. They hate Western Culture! They resent it and see it as being intrusive upon their own culture.

We, as "Westerners" in general, and when I say "Westerners"; I mean Europeans, and to some extend even Israelis, for the most part don't even see our culture as being intrusive on other cultures.

But it is. Our songs are catchy, (I guess, even Rap songs!!) our clothes are good looking, (as are our women) and most everything is designed from a marketing standpoint, to make it attractive to buy, or to shop, or to eat, or to wear, or to ride on/travel; etc., etc., etc.

I think the point you are making, is that Islam hates this.

On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:13 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

Keith,

After being 100 meters from a moslem on moslem (fundamental vs.
moderate) car bombing a couple of weeks ago on the Gaza border I find
what you wrote to be well thought out yet simplified.

The area that concerns me most is this:

****Many "Liberals"; or those who are not well informed on the all

encompassing aspects of Islam, tend to blame the United States and
Western
Culture in general, for "oppressing" Muslims, forcing the Islamic
faithful
to take extreme action to defend their cultures and beliefs from
"Western
imperialism". This is really far from true, and I will try and
demonstrate
as succinctly as possible. ****

It is definitely not oppression that bothers them it is the very fact
that western culture exists at all and is more attractive to the
younger generations. It does cause the very same young men to be even
harder on the women and gays in their society as we all know one thing
to be true... give a woman an iota of freedom or liberty and she wants
the whole thing.... it is a source of constant irritation and
hypocrisy for the men and requires harsher penalties for the women.

On Oct 15, 8:52 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It was about 1991, when I started discovering what Islam was really all
> about.
>
> If anything, today, we have a government that refuses to acknowledge the
> dangers of Islam, and keeps trying to sell the American public that its only
> a few, "Radical, Fundamentalist" Muslims that somehow pose a threat.
>
> These purportedly few "Radical Fundamentalist Muslims" have caused us all
> to change our very lifestyle. They have caused both pseudo conservative
> Republicans and liberal Socialist-Elitist Democrats to pass laws curtailing
> our very liberties and freedoms.
>
> No, if our government were to realistically portray Islam as the danger that
> it really is; a danger that it rightfully portrayed of the former Soviet
> Communist Empire, then we would have long ago closed up shop on every Mosque
> in this Nation, and sent those Non-American Muslims packing.
>
>
>

> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:14 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > Until 1991 the US Government had most Americans fearful of a "communist
> > under every bed". A replacement was needed. This time there is no country
> > to muck things up by going bankrupt.
>
> > Regard$,
> > --MJ
>
> > War has all the characteristics of socialism most conservatives hate:
> > Centralized power, state planning, false rationalism, restricted liberties,
> > foolish optimism about intended results, and blindness to unintended
> > secondary results. -- Joseph Sobran
>
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Re: Terror Threat to DC Restaurants

Good Morning TruthOut!

Been Here....Done This....

As I mentioned the other day, in another thread, I used to think that I could communicate well, with the "Tax Protest/Militiamen/Freemen/Patriot" community. Somewhere along the line, I have lost my touch.....

I will say this. That I have looked at almost each and every argument that you, and folks like you have brought to the table. I can shoot bullets in each and every one of the arguments, just as I did two days ago, with your, "Jews Own The Media" argument. No, they don't, and two questions that I asked totally blew your theory away. The same for your Immigration argument. Ted Kennedy, and a number of Socialist-Elitists are primarily responsible for our immigration laws as they are today....Not Jews.

The point being, is that if I can shoot holes in your arguments and theories, rest assured that a United States Attorney can shoot holes in them. (Not that I am suggesting that you have done anything that could be construed as illicit....This was mainly for my "Tax Protest" friends, who also hold similar arguments)

PlainOlAmerican: Meet TruthOut; TruthOut: Meet PlainOl'...

At any rate, I find your posts interesting, and I hope that you will continue to share your views here in Political Forum!

Have a great Weekend!

KeithInTampa

On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Truthout <quexos45@gmail.com> wrote:

It's quite simple actually: american media at least, should be owned
by ...Americans! To those who responded with the usual tripe: "you
hate the suucessfull", "Hitler re-visited", "bring proof that the
stockholders are jewish", one word: wake up and smell the coffe!

Those bent on destroying the United States have almost done their job
and will complete it, while there are enough of us naive enough to
fall for their stories
( are you freemasons, perhaps? Then it's understandable, 'cause
that's how the jews get their orders carried out, through the
lodge. ).

Just look at the facts I have offered about who opened America's
borders to "the huddled masses"! Go visit the statue of liberty and
read the plaque at it's bottom - you'll find out whose gift it was and
to whom: french freemasons to american ones and all of them just
happenned to be jewish!

Don't bitch about Obama's free entitlements for illegal aliens - these
are just the results of the free for all immigration laws, which
neither I, nor my grandparents have written and passed! Next thing I
know, you might start defending the architects of this incredible
financial meltdown/recession/disaster, which has been exported
throuout the world. I travel a lot: do you have any ideea how our
country's image has sufferred since this last planned misadventure ?

On Oct 14, 10:31 pm, euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ---------
> Who should own the world's media? Arabs? Or Germans? American Indians?

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Re: Republicans Don’t Trust Americans

the court has opened the door for other governments to chose our
leaders .

On Oct 16, 10:37 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> That s what Republican campaign fund-raising groups are doing by
> concealing their donors from the public.
> ROTFLMAO!
> Individuals, of course, have a right to privacy.
> BOTH Republicans AND Democrats fo not trust Americans, but
> it is with their lives (of course they are Peddling Pull to maintain
> their Power).
> Regard$,
> --MJYou should see what the law professors on the H-LAW mailing list are saying about yesterday's Supreme Court First Amendment decision. Allowing people to purchase political ads and make political films without government regulation is, it seems, the end of the world. -- Kevin Gutzman on Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission

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