Saturday, September 15, 2012

Re: Paying taxes doesn’t allow Atheists, nor any group , to dictate to others.

So, there are no unalienable rights?
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no - they are perceived.
You use the words 'unalienable rights' like an entitlement.

That a "right" to man's free thought; the exercise of speech is a
fiction?
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we all want 'rights' (i.e. free speech) but they're not always
'available.'
you choose to remain silent or not.

On Sep 14, 5:11 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, there are no unalienable rights? That a "right" to man's free
> thought; the exercise of speech is a fiction?
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:54 PM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
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> > wrote:
> > they don't exist except in the mind of the relgious
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> > On Sep 13, 3:25 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Again, I ask you, where do they come from?
>
> > > You've yet to answer.
>
> > > On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 7:54 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > > > Unalienable rights come from the moral consensus of
> > > > the People.
> > > > ---
> > > > religious people
>
> > > > On Sep 12, 6:02 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 10, 1:26 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:>
> > > > All unalienable rights are from God.
>
> > > > > No, plainol...: Unalienable rights come from the moral consensus of
> > > > > the People. But such sounds more immutable, if the language refers
> > to
> > > > > 'God', or "Mother Nature', or more correctly, to all of the natural
> > > > > laws of the Universe. — J. A. A. —> ---
>
> > > > > > speculation noted
>
> > > > > > On Sep 10, 11:18 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
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> > > > > > > Hello John,
>
> > > > > > > Although it was difficult to get through that long winded
> > > > disortation,
> > > > > > > (reminds me of someone who graduated from Clemson!) and I agree
> > > > that the
> > > > > > > Obama Administration has by executive order installed
> > > > unconstitutional,
> > > > > > > communistic mandates upon "We, The People"; I am at a loss as
> > to
> > > > how you
> > > > > > > believe that our two party system is unconstitutional.
>
> > > > > > > Far from it.
>
> > > > > > > There is nothing in the Constitution, (or maybe you can point
> > out
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Article and paragraph for us?) that restricts the association of
> > > > like
> > > > > > > minded politically thinking individuals from forming
> > associations or
> > > > groups
> > > > > > > to further their political cause.
>
> > > > > > > I also take exception to your notion that the "weak govern the
> > > > strong".
> > > > > > > Examples please. With regard to bias within the law.....Yes.
> > It's
> > > > true,
> > > > > > > and has been since the beginning of recorded history. The United
> > > > States is
> > > > > > > no exception, and I can cite numerous instances within our 235
> > year
> > > > > > > history, beginning with the "Shea's Rebellion" of bias
> > contained
> > > > within
> > > > > > > the law. To some degree, it is these "biases" that you refer
> > to,
> > > > that
> > > > > > > shape and form our "culture" and our "morals".
>
> > > > > > > All unalienable rights are from God, not government and they
> > cannot
> > > > be
> > > > > > > stripped by government, unless one "volunteers" to waive his
> > God
> > > > given
> > > > > > > unalienable right.
>
> > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:46 PM, NoEinstein <
> > > > noeinst...@bellsouth.net>wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Yes, Studio, but "the two major political parties" are 100%
> > > > > > > > UNCONSTITUTIONAL under our present Constitution! The USA
> > isn't a
> > > > > > > > democracy, but is supposed to be (but never has been) a
> > > > Representative
> > > > > > > > Republic. The Founding Fathers were totally committed to the
> > > > > > > > principle that the PEOPLE control government. Nowhere in the
> > > > > > > > Constitution is it sanctioned to allow political parties to
> > > > substitute
> > > > > > > > biased group power for the "close to a Democracy" power of the
> > > > voters
> > > > > > > > on election day. Yes, there were Whigs and Tories in the 18th
> > > > > > > > century. But those were mechanisms for government control far
> > > > > > > > different from a Representative Republic! Note: That
> > treasonous
> > > > > > > > BASTARD in the White House, Barack H. Obama, still supposes
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > USA is "our great Democracy", while he acts as our
> > > > communist-socialist
> > > > > > > > dictator. As numbers of you have pointed out a year or two
> > ago,
> > > > > > > > Democracies—if that's the only stipulated 'control' of
> > > > government—will
> > > > > > > > allow the weak to control the strong. And that isn't just if
> > it is
> > > > > > > > like: two wolves and a sheep deciding what is for supper.
> > Having
> > > > > > > > controls in the Constitution that mandate justice and fairness
> > will
> > > > > > > > allow the voters to decide controversial issues WITHIN the
> > bounds
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > justice and fairness. No biased group gets to define justice
> > and
> > > > > > > > fairness so as to allow them to exploit others for their own
> > > > selfish
> > > > > > > > gain. The best route to saving the USA, as well as our entire
> > > > > > > > socioeconomic system, is to strip all biased groups of power
> > over
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > course of government. Once that happens, there won't be any
> > more
> > > > > > > > pressure to have governments become all things for all people,
> > > > which
> > > > > > > > as we should know by now ( but Obama doesn't), doesn't work! —
> > > > John
> > > > > > > > A. Armistead —
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> > > > > > > > On Sep 6, 11:48 am, studio <tl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 5:39 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > Dear Studio:
> > > > > > > > > > Since both of those are issues of
> > > > > > > > > > high controversy, the American People should be allowed to
> > > > decide once
> > > > > > > > > > and for all in direct referenda.
>
> > > > > > > > > I'm in TOTAL agreement with that!
> > > > > > > > > However, Republitards will remind you we live in a Republic,
> > not
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > Democracy.
> > > > > > > > > And neither of the 2 major parties actually want people to
> > > > decide by
> > > > > > > > > referendum.
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Re: JP Anti Muslim movie

Aray Mera Bhai,

The all cabinet crowed are Grate Thugs in the skin of Muslims. When they were telling the truth to my countrymen.

Regards,

On 15 September 2012 23:37, JoinPakistan <joinpakistan@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Users,

For your all information Anti Muslim Movie related to Muslims are still online in Pakistan till Saturday 15-09-2012 at 11:36 AM and Pakistani Minister state that they have stop the same movie in Pakistan is false.

Please stop the same movie in Pakistan.

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Illuminati Origins Of Secret Government: The Mental & Fatal Disease Of Militant Narcissists: Stop Them Cold Protect The Constitution!

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Illuminati Origins Of Secret Government: The Mental & Fatal Disease Of Militant Narcissists: Stop Them Cold Protect The Constitution!

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Before citizens jump on that political war machine that promotes continual conflict, we must evaluate and scrutinize the sources of our perceptions – is it orchestrated opposition propaganda or real information?

Hillary Calls Islam a Great Religion

Hillary Morocco Calls Islam a Great Religion

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Obama Administration Argues That Blocking the NDAA’s Indefinite Detainment Provision Will Harm the U.S.

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Obama Administration Argues That Blocking the NDAA's Indefinite Detainment Provision Will Harm the U.S.

by Scotty Starnes

Obama was against indefinite detention of terrorist until he approved it for American citizens.

From Reason.com:

When it comes to national security and steps towards a less dystopian United States, there was about five minutes of good news Wednesday when Federal Judge Katherine Forrest permanently blockedsection 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act, which — arguably, but it definitely doesn't not — allows for indefinite military detainment of American citizens connected to terrorism, even those captured on U.S. soil.

Sadly less than 24 hours after Forrest blocked section 1021, the Obama administration appealed the decision. They are continuing the argument that the NDAA is simply redundant with powers already granted in the 2001 Authorization for Military Force Act. Forrest disagrees, and maintains that her ruling would not conflict with those powers, but that the NDAA unconstitutionally expands the category of people who can be legally detained.

Under Judge Forrest's oddly unreported ruling, which came after her May temporary injunction in response to a lawsuit filed by seven civil liberties activists, the NDAA was dubbed to be a violation of the Fifth Amendment's right to due process, as well as having a distinct chilling effect on First Amendment rights. The latter argument was underlined by the fact that one of the plaintiffs, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Chris Hedges has interviewed members of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda nearly a score of times. This made the NDAA's vague threat that someone who can be detained by the military is an individual "who was a part of or substantially supported Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces" seem more serious, and led to Forrest ruling that the plaintiffs indeed had standing to challenge NDAA.

The real threat of the NDAA, if not in practice for now, then definitely in precedent, was further strengthened by the fact that the government repeatedly refused to address Forrest's concerns and confirm that the NDAA can or cannot be used against journalists like Hedges. Hedges was joined in his lawsuit by rabble-rousers Daniel Ellsberg, Noam Chomsky, and other opponents of excessive government security state madness.

Today, under the shadow of massive riots throughout the Middle East, mostly directed toward America and its allies' embassies, the Obama administration would like to remind us all that the power to indefinitely detain people is vital to national security,

Scotty Starnes | September 14, 2012 at 8:21 PM | Tags: American citizens, indefinite detention, National Defense Authorization Act, national security, NDAA, Obama Administration, President Obama, Section 1021 | Categories: Political Issues | URL: http://wp.me/pvnFC-8aY

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