Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Support Your Local Standing Army?


Support Your Local Standing Army?
by Laurence M. Vance

Why is it that libertarians -- who don't revere the Constitution -- have no trouble understanding the Constitution but conservatives -- who do revere the Constitution -- have so much trouble?

In a letter to the editor of The New American published in its August 20, 2012 issue, someone who believes "in the constitutional right of citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense -- the protection of life and property" and in "the right of a person to hunt and harvest a natural resource for food" is nevertheless troubled about Americans having guns for other purposes.

In a letter sent via e-mail, Richard Moore writes about military-type guns being the problem. I reproduce his letter here with my observations because his ideas are typical of many conservatives who have accepted the legitimacy of federal gun laws.

During the time of the creating of the Constitution, all people, civilians, military, and standing armies, had equal access to small arms, single-shot flintlock firearms, and edged weapons. A person with training and practice could load and accurately fire three rounds in one minute with a flintlock firearm, not hundreds of rounds in minutes.
I believe in the constitutional right of citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense – the protection of life and property. I believe in the right of a person to hunt and harvest a natural resource for food. This is also a humane method used to control wildlife populations.
High-power, high-capacity, high-tech weapons are for military use and intended for sales to nations with standing armies, not civilians interested in defense of life and property, or hunting. A civilian model of a weapon designed for military use is still a weapon designed for military use.
Not allowing people access to weapons capable of mass destruction does not impede the right to self-defense of life and property or the right to hunt. Prohibiting access to such weapons protects life and property. Ask the dead and wounded at the movie theater in Colorado if they agree.
Yes, it is true that guns do not kill people. People kill people. It is also impossible to predict and eliminate such incidents, such as the one in Colorado. However, imagine the outcome if the shooter did not have high-power, high-tech, high-capacity weapons.

I have omitted the writer's last paragraph because it is not related to gun control.

Some observations.

1. What Moore writes could just as easily been written by James Brady, Senator Chuck Schumer, or President Obama.

2. If during the time of the Constitution everyone had access to the same weapons then what is the problem with everyone having access to the same weapons now?

3. If high-power, high-tech, high-capacity weapons are outlawed, then only outlaws will have high-power, high-tech, high-capacity weapons.

4. Was the alleged shooter at the Colorado movie theater concerned about violating federal gun laws?

5. Couldn't the alleged shooter's Glock .40-caliber handgun alone be capable of mass destruction? Does Moore think it should be banned as well? Why not?

6. If not allowing people access to weapons capable of mass destruction does not impede property rights, then nothing the federal government does impedes property rights.

7. Guns don't kill people; people kill people -- just as Moore says.

8. Imagine the outcome if the victims in the theater had high-power, high-tech, high-capacity weapons.

9. The right of self-defense includes the right to defend oneself against the greatest aggressor of life, liberty, and property in the history of the world: governments. If only governments have access to high-power, high-tech, high-capacity weapons, then all the talk about self-defense is meaningless.

10. If the government is going to ban high-power, high-tech, high-capacity weapons, then it ought to ban them from military use and from sales to nations with standing armies. Civilians wrongly kill far fewer people than government soldiers.

11. The Second Amendment confers no positive right. It is an additional limitation on federal power to infringe upon gun rights besides the fact that no authority is granted to the federal government by the Constitution to infringe upon them in the first place. Even if the Second Amendment only applied to non-military weapons, even if it only applied to state militias, and even if it didn't exist, Americans would still have the natural right to keep and bear arms of any size, accuracy, or magnitude.

Under the Constitution, the federal government has no authority whatsoever to ban high-power weapons, high-capacity weapons, high-tech weapons, machine guns, automatic weapons, armor-piercing bullets, "cop-killer" bullets, sawed-off shotguns, assault rifles, gun sales to felons, bazookas, armored personnel carriers, grenades, IEDs, bombs, or tanks. This is because under the Constitution, the federal government has no authority whatsoever to ban marijuana, cocaine, heroin, crack cocaine, ecstasy, meth, hazardous waste, poisons, pesticides, toxic waste, bath salts, incandescent light bulbs, pornography, absinthe, products containing dog or cat fur, drug paraphernalia, or any other substance.

Permitting or prohibiting these substances is a matter for each individual state to decide. This doesn't mean that the states should ban any or all of these substances. It just means that it is for the states to decide. This is federalism in action.

Why is it that libertarians are the ones who actually believe that the relation of the federal and state governments under the Constitution should be as James Madison wrote in Federalist No. 45:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

No, military-type guns aren't the problem. Human nature is the problem. Gun laws are the problem. Government is the problem. Guns themselves are never the problem.

N.B.: This was a letter to the editor of The New American, not an editorial by The New American.

http://lewrockwell.com/vance/vance302.html

Fwd: [LPNOVA] Upcoming Libertarian Party Events



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From: Laura
Date: Tuesday, September 11, 2012
Subject: [LPNOVA] Upcoming Libertarian Party Events
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Good evening Libertarians!

The busy season continues, and I wanted to give you guys a heads up on what's coming up in the next week:

Alexandria City Council Candidate Forum
Wednesday, September 12 6:45pm-9pm
Come out and Support Alexandria City Council candidate Robert Kraus! Robert needs you to be his cheering squad during this forum. We'll hold up signs and help promote Robert's candidacy. Also, a reporter from the Financial Times might be in attendance, doing a story on Governor Johnson's impact in Virginia. Please come show your support!!

Gary Johnson on STOSSEL
Governor Johnson will be on John Stossel's show on Fox Business News on Thursday, September 13 at 9pm.

Festive Fundraiser WITH Judge Jim Gray
Monday, September 17 8pm-10pm

Vice Presidential candidate Judge Jim Gray will be in town! Come meet Judge Gray, on Monday night, September 17th, at a festive meet-and-greet at my home in Falls Church, VA. Judge Gray will give brief remarks about Governor Gary Johnson's presidential campaign and then answer your questions. There will be plenty of Cajun food, libations, and friends of freedom with whom to visit. RSVP HERE: https://www.facebook.com/events/405176992878583/, and please bring a friend!

Thanks!  

In Liberty,
Laura Delhomme





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Re: Patriot Day

And Maine, which used to be part of Massachusetts

On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:31:20 PM UTC-4, plainolamerican wrote:
Initially, the day was called the Prayer and Remembrance for the
Victims of the Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001. When the new
name was proposed, it received opposition from Massachusetts, which
already had a Patriots' Day.

On Sep 11, 11:56 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Point, if any?
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> On Tuesday, September 11, 2012 11:50:27 AM UTC-4, MJ wrote:
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> >  *"Eleven years later, the combination of national self-pity, vaunting
> > jingoism, and resolute blindness remains unbecoming." -- Sheldon Richman,
> > 11 September 2012
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> > **Patriot Day
> > *Posted by Laurence Vance <javascript:> on September 11, 2012 08:46 AM
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> > I just realized that today is Patriot Day<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Day>,
> > not to be confused with Patriot's Day<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriots%27_Day>.
> > Not a federal holiday yet, but just wait a few years. Not sure why 9/11 is
> > called Patriot Day. Perhaps Payback Day or Blowback Day or Federal Failure
> > Day or Government Incompetence Day would be a better name for it. But of
> > course, I'm not sure what the evil Patriot Act has to do with patriotism
> > either.

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Obama Admits Birthplace




 

WHAT  ???? Please read script under the video, too.
 
Scroll all the way down and watch the video, It is Obama after he became a Senator. How come it never came out before now?
Obama admits not being born in Hawaii...
Can one doubt his own admission? Where is Sixty Minutes?
Obama is actually on this video admitting he was not born in Hawaii but was born in Kenya and is not even a citizen.
  Obviously he made these statements because he did not know at that time that a president must be a "natural born" citizen.. OOOPS!
Circulate this before they yank it from the internet.
Will some one tell me why this guy is not being impeached??
If you just watch the first 30 seconds your mouth will drop open.
Obama admits he is not a citizen
Hmmm.... Maybe the "birthers" are on to something....
THE AMAZING PART OF THIS TRAVESTY IS AMERICANS CONTINUE ALLOWING THEMSELVES TO BE RULED BY AN ILLEGAL ALIEN.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwhKuunp8D8&feature=player_embedded


His first speech is apparently just after his election to the US Senate.

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Romney’s embrace of Obamacare lite is nothing new



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Date: Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:53 AM
Subject: Romney's embrace of Obamacare lite is nothing new
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Romney's embrace of Obamacare lite is nothing new
09/11/2012
By W. James Antle III

When a campaign spokeswoman for Mitt Romney appeared to say something nice about his Massachusetts health care plan, the solution proposed by many conservatives was simple: Fire her!

But what happens when the candidate himself keeps saying nice things about the Massachusetts health care law? Can we fire the candidate?

"I say we're going to replace Obamacare," Romney said on NBC's "Meet the Press" last weekend. "And I'm replacing it with my own plan. And even in Massachusetts when I was governor, our plan there deals with pre-existing conditions and with young people."

This is part of a larger pattern. At the same time his spokeswoman was invoking Romneycare on national television, Romney was doing so more subtly in Des Moines.

After calling for the repeal of Obamacare, Romney said, "By the way, that doesn't mean that health care is perfect. We've got to do reforms in health care and I have some experience doing that, as you know."

Oh, we know!

Romney even praised the Massachusetts plan on Fox News.

"First of all, with regards to women's health care, look, I'm the guy that was about to get health care for all of the women ­ and men ­ in my state," he told Chris Wallace.

Challenged on this, Romney replied, "I am very proud of what we did, and the fact that we helped women and men and children in our state."

Romney's transition team would be led by Mike Leavitt, the former Utah governor and Bush HHS secretary, who has been lobbying governors to implement the Obamacare exchanges at the state level.

Noam Scheiber reported in the New Republic that Romney chief strategist Stuart Stevens landed the job in part because he didn't think the former Massachusetts governor should disavow his health care record.

If Mitt Romney seems like he would rather tinker with Obamacare than repeal it outright as he has repeatedly promised to do, that's because he still likes his Massachusetts health care law.

Romneycare shares many common features with Obamacare, albeit without raising the same constitutional questions. States have police powers, the federal government doesn't.

It would be nice to leave the past in the past, because Romney has generally put himself well to the right of President Obama on health care since he started running for the White House.

But little snippets like the "Meet the Press" interview keep reminding us that we have to think of what Romney might do in the future if he is elected.

As Reason's Peter Suderman puts it, "[H]e's trying to say a lot without saying much at all, except that he likes things that everybody likes, and he wouldn't do anything that anybody doesn't."

You can argue that whatever tinkering Romney has in mind is better than Obamacare. You can argue, as some have, that Massachusetts liberals made even Romney's state-level health care reforms worse than they otherwise would have been.

What you can't argue with is that Romney is comfortable with health care policy ideas conservatives increasingly reject, some of which helped form the basis of Obamacare.

At this point, opponents of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act don't have many options.

The Supreme Court upheld the controversial federal health care law, with Republican-appointed Chief Justice John Roberts providing the swing vote.

Soon many of the subsidies will begin to kick in, helping to entrench Obamacare as a middle-class entitlement. Once in effect, such entitlements are difficult ­ though not impossible ­ to repeal.

The window of opportunity for Republicans to roll back Obamacare remains open. But who knows when it will close?

Tinkering may soon be the GOP's only option unless they win key races in November and heed the conservative base's demands to go further.

Electing a Republican president ­ along with a Republican-controlled House and Senate ­ is a prerequisite for repealing Obamacare.

But that by itself won't be sufficient. Grassroots conservatives will still have to make sure the job gets done.



http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/11/romneys-embrace-of-obamacare-lite-is-nothing-new/

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