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Re: Revisionist History 101: What Secularists Don't Want You To Know:

I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and
tenets' might be.
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let me go first ... !!!
first ... they think that the principles that were adopted were
christian principles, which in many cases is a faulty presumption.

Examples:

Religious freedom - Nothing unique to christians. Didn't the Romans
allow the jews to practice their religion?
Is that what the christians are offering muslims today in America?

Sovereign authority of God, not sovereignty of the state - Thousands
of government have given authority to a god.
They are demanding that non-believers submit to a mythical authority.

Sanctity of life - They are still trying to outlaw abortion, stem cell
research, suicide, etc.

All men are sinners - Pushing their mythical religious guilt onto
others. Very protestant.

All men created equal - christians, like jews and muzzies, don't
consider non-believers equal.

Judicial, legislative, and executive branches - Not unique to
christianity. Can still produce terrible decisions.

Church protected from state control (& taxation), but church to
influence the state. - Oh, like the religious state of israel? No
thanks.

Republican form of government and warnings against kings but in favor
of Godly rulers. - It's not the government job to promote those they
see as godly. Finding honest men is better than finding religious myth
believers.

Importance of governing self and family as first level of governance.
- Yet they endorse intervention in the middle east.

Fair trial with witnesses. - not unique to christianity nor cited in
decision.

Private property rights. - not uniquely christian

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Justice Brewer was the author of the unanimous opinion of the Court in
Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States (143 U.S. 457, 36 L.Ed.
226, 12 S. Ct. 511 February 29, 1892), which addressed a dispute over
an employment contract between an Anglican priest and the titular
church. Justice Brewer's statement in that opinion, "These, and many
other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial
declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a
Christian nation" is often incorrectly cited as part of the
controlling ruling in the matter, which is not the case. Indeed,
Justice Brewer's book, The United States: A Christian Nation,
published in 1905,contained the following passage:

But in what sense can [the United States] be called a Christian
nation? Not in the sense that Christianity is the established religion
or the people are compelled in any manner to support it. On the
contrary, the Constitution specifically provides that 'congress shall
make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof.' Neither is it Christian in the sense that all
its citizens are either in fact or in name Christians. On the
contrary, all religions have free scope within its borders. Numbers of
our people profess other religions, and many reject all. [...] Nor is
it Christian in the sense that a profession of Christianity is a
condition of holding office or otherwise engaging in public service,
or essential to recognition either politically or socially. In fact,
the government as a legal organization is independent of all
religions.

On Aug 10, 1:20 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> I remain curious in SEEING what these 'Christian principles and tenets' might be.
> I am especially interested in primary source materials where <insert Founder> claims <book/chapter/verse> applies to <article/section/clause> and similar.
> The DoI, for instance, impugns the Divine Rights of Kings -- which is the biblically based Government.
> Regard$,
> --MJ
> The United States of America have exhibited, perhaps, the first example of governments erected on the simple principles of nature; and if men are now sufficiently enlightened to disabuse themselves of artifice, imposture, hypocrisy, and superstition, they will consider this event as an era in their history. Although the detail of the formation of the American governments is at present little known or regarded either in Europe or in America, it may hereafter become an object of curiosity. It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the influence of Heaven, more than those at work upon ships or houses, or laboring in merchandise or agriculture; it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses....
> -- John Adams, "A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America" [1787-1788];At 01:58 PM 8/10/2012, you wrote:As much as you and your secularist friends hate to hear, it must really suck, to see the truth Plain Ol.....That this Nation was, and still is founded upon Christian principles and tenets. No matter whether you like it, or don't like it, this, is your heritage.
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:03 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:the German government of the 1920s enthusiastically supported andpromoted Barnes's views as exonerating their country, while thepostwar West German government accepted national responsibility forthe Holocaust, solicited forgiveness and paid reparations to Jewishsurvivors.On Aug 10, 10:03 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:> Ever read Harry Elmer Barnes?>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:>>>>>>>> > Here's a short video of one of the "Churches" in the heart of D.C.;> > worth a watch.....This should fit the bill of MJ's definition of> > "revisionist history":>> >http://stg.do/Iwpc>> > --> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum>> > * Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/>> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more.--Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups.For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum* Visit our other community athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/* It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls.* Read the latest breaking news, and more.
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Author: Obama Would Have a Trouble Getting a Security Clearance for an Entry-Level Government Job Due to His Association with Communist Mentor Frank Marshall Davis

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Author: Obama Would Have a Trouble Getting a Security Clearance for an Entry-Level Government Job Due to His Association with Communist Mentor Frank Marshall Davis

by Scotty Starnes

Those Obama associate with would scare most but the media has covered up most of this information to keep the masses uninformed.

From DC:

Author Paul Kengor wants you to know just how radical Frank Marshal Davis — a man many consider to have been a mentor to President Barack Obama during his teenage years — was.

"Obama's mentor was considered so radical, and such a potential pro-Soviet threat, that the federal government placed him on the Security Index," Kengor told The Daily Caller in an interview about his new book on Davis, simply titled "The Communist."

"That meant that if a war broke out between the United States and the Soviet Union, Frank Marshall Davis could be placed under immediate arrest. Think about that. Obama had that sort of influence. And The Washington Post will focus on whether Mitt Romney was bullying in high school? With the kind of influence that Obama had, Obama would have trouble getting a security clearance for an entry-level government job."

Obama refers to Davis in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father," simply as "Frank" and never elaborates on his radical history. Kengor believes this is because Obama wanted to avoid the political liability of being associated with Davis' politics. But if Obama was concerned about protecting his future political prospects while writing his memoir, why would he include details of his drug use?

"On matters like cocaine, he grew up in an era when that was going on," Kengor, who is a professor at Grove City College, argued.

"To do cocaine was certainly not the norm, but it wasn't unheard of. In short, he rightly saw his adolescent association with Davis — a literal card-carrying communist — as a greater political liability than cocaine use."

Scotty Starnes | August 10, 2012 at 1:26 PM | Tags: Communist, Dreams From My Father, Frank Marshall Davis, Paul Kengor, President Obama, security clearance, The Communist | Categories: Political Issues | URL: http://wp.me/pvnFC-7JO

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WikiLeaks Cyberattacked After Exposing Creepy Government Spying System

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WikiLeaks Cyberattacked After Exposing Creepy Government Spying System

by Scotty Starnes

I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest it's the Obama regime doing this attack. They are using Google (close ties to Obama) to spy on us. They are using social media (Facebook, Twitter) to spy on us. They are using our cell phones to spy and record us. They are reading our emails without a warrant. They are using drones to spy on us. They are even spying on journalists and bloggers who use certain keywords.

The most "transparent" administration seems to hate transparency that exposes them.

From Reason:

What does it mean, when Wikileaks publishes a trove of documents hacked by Anonymous from the strategic intelligence firm Stratfor — a trove that apparently details a massive electronic spying system run by the U.S. government — and is then hit by a massive and sustained distributed denial of service attack that prevents journalists and people at large from examining the documents in question? I can't be the only person that finds that just a tad ... suggestive.

The best round-up of the story so far is at RT:

Former senior intelligence officials have created a detailed surveillance system more accurate than modern facial recognition technology — and have installed it across the US under the radar of most Americans, according to emails hacked by Anonymous.

Every few seconds, data picked up at surveillance points in major cities and landmarks across the United States are recorded digitally on the spot, then encrypted and instantaneously delivered to a fortified central database center at an undisclosed location to be aggregated with other intelligence. It's part of a program called TrapWire and it's the brainchild of the Abraxas, a Northern Virginia company staffed with elite from America's intelligence community. The employee roster at Arbaxas reads like a who's who of agents once with the Pentagon, CIA and other government entities according to their public LinkedIn profiles, and the corporation's ties are assumed to go deeper than even documented.

It's difficult to check on RT's report, though, because, as my old employerZDNet has it:

WikiLeaks is down. The site has been down for the last five days, during which it has been experiencing a massive Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack.

This isn't the first time this has happened. Back in May, Wikileaks was also taken down by a DDoS attack. That one lasted four days, however, meaning this one has already gone on for longer, according to the site's Twitter account.

Scotty Starnes | August 10, 2012 at 3:59 PM | Tags: anonymous, cyberattack, government spying system, Obama Administration, STRATFOR, WikiLeaks | Categories: Political Issues | URL: http://wp.me/pvnFC-7Kh

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Re: Revisionist History 101: What Secularists Don't Want You To Know:

As much as you and your secularist friends hate to hear, it must
really
suck, to see the truth Plain Ol
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the truth is in the constitution ... well absent in the
constitution ... no mention of your jesus christ.
If you want a christian nation go find some land and make one ... this
one is taken.
Now that the christians have lost their power, the challenge is going
to be keeping the jews and muzzies out of power, as they too are
religious myth believers and unreliable Americans.

.....That this Nation was, and still is
founded upon Christian principles and tenets.
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but is not a christian nation

No matter whether you like
it, or don't like it, this, is your heritage.
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My heritage started and will end as a plainolamerican ... no hyphens,
no mythical associations, or loyalty issues.

On Aug 10, 12:58 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As much as you and your secularist friends hate to hear, it must really
> suck, to see the truth Plain Ol.....That this Nation was, and still is
> founded upon Christian principles and tenets. No matter whether you like
> it, or don't like it, this, is your heritage.
>
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 7:03 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
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> > the German government of the 1920s enthusiastically supported and
> > promoted Barnes's views as exonerating their country, while the
> > postwar West German government accepted national responsibility for
> > the Holocaust, solicited forgiveness and paid reparations to Jewish
> > survivors.
>
> > On Aug 10, 10:03 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Ever read Harry Elmer Barnes?
>
> > > On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > > > Here's a short video of one of the "Churches" in the heart of D.C.;
> > > > worth a watch.....This should fit the bill of MJ's definition of
> > > > "revisionist history":
>
> > > >http://stg.do/Iwpc
>
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Got ink? FBI wants to learn what your tattoos mean

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Got ink? FBI wants to learn what your tattoos mean

By Walter Pacheco

Gang members and terrorist groups beware

RLANDO — (MCT) The FBI wants your tattoos — more specifically, the meanings behind their inky black lines and colorful shapes — and it's asking local law enforcement agencies for help.

The FBI's Biometric Center of Excellence, which already collects tattoos and other identity markers in its massive database, sent a request July 13 to police agencies for information "related to any current databases containing tattoo/symbol images, their possible meanings, gang affiliations, terrorist groups or other criminal organizations."

Gang members and terrorist groups often share symbols among their followers as a way to easily identify one another and gauge member loyalty. Members of the Latin Kings, for example, illustrate their bodies with a crown, while members of the MS-13 gang usually tattoo "MS" on their skin. But other symbols are more cryptic.

FBI agents say combining their database with information gathered from tattoo databases at more than 18,000 law enforcement agencies could improve everyone's biometric-based crime-fighting and anti-terrorism efforts.

"Some of our database users have expressed a desire for (knowing) what tattoos may potentially mean," said Bill Casey, program director at the FBI's biometric center. "We are trying to learn the lay of the land and see if there are any databases out there agencies may want to share."

Central Florida law enforcement agencies routinely save in databases the digital images they take of tattoos and scars found on suspects, others under investigation or bodies that are discovered. Jails in Seminole and Lake counties also document such identity markers on all inmates.

None of the local agencies that do this, however, would talk with the Orlando Sentinel about the practice or the FBI's request to share and help interpret their databases.

The FBI's interest in broadening and deepening its tattoo database is part of the agency's larger project of collecting biometric information for its Next Generation Identification Program. That initiative, split into seven stages, also aims to expand the agency's collection of fingerprints, palm prints and iris scans, and to improve existing facial-recognition technology.

The agency hopes to deploy an improved, searchable database of tattoos, scars and birthmarks in 2014, agency records show.

Though the federal government emphasizes that its interest in tattoos is solely for investigative and informative purposes, some individuals are leery of the government tracking people's tattoos, especially because many symbols originally found in gang tattoos have been adopted by a broader segment of the public.

"I have a crown on my shoulder, but I'm not a member of the Latin Kings. The crown is a symbol for my mom, who was the queen in my life," said bartender Fernando Bonilla, 28, of Orlando. "I don't want a cop stopping me, taking a picture of my tattoo and sending it to the federal government."

Casey said that would not happen.

"People have to meet more than one particular criteria to be identified as a possible gang member, and having a tattoo that resembles a gang symbol is not enough," he said.

Eric Phillips, an FBI management-and-program analyst, said law enforcement's ability to properly decipher the iconography of tattoos would benefit certain civilians, too.

"The database could actually benefit the kid who gets a tattoo similar to a gang tattoo and lands in jail," Phillips said. "If a gang finds out that he's not really a member, it could be a very dangerous situation for that kid." He said tattoo identification and tracking could also help prisons and jails keep rival gangs separated.

Sailor Bill Johnson, a local tattoo artist and vice president of the National Tattoo Association, said he's not worried about the FBI asking local police and others about tattoos.

"You don't see a lot of (gang) tattoos getting done at local tattoo shops. Those are usually done by 'scratchers' who are not professionals," said Johnson, who has owned the Tattoo Time shop in Maitland since 1983. "If you're not breaking the law, then you shouldn't have to worry about anything."