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Wednesday, May 30, 2012

Re: U.S. Special Forces are in North Korea

*What if one of our Special Ops is captured by the lunatic North
Koreans?*
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it will reinforce the USA's reputation as an interventionist
nation ... sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong

On May 29, 10:40 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
> New post on *Fellowship of the Minds*
> <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/eowyn2/> U.S. Special
> Forces are in North
> Korea<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/u-s-special-forces-...>by
> Dr. Eowyn <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/eowyn2/>
>
> As the war drums beat ever louder against Syria, in the name of "human
> rights," the startling news this morning is that U.S. special forces have
> been parachuting into North Korea to, in the words of "a senior US
> officer," "gather intelligence about underground military installations."
>
> Ask yourself this question:
>
> *What if one of our Special Ops is captured by the lunatic North Koreans?*
>
> [image: Soldiers from the US Marine Corps take part in a US-South Korea
> joint landing operation drill along the shore in Pohang, about 370 km (230
> miles) southeast of Seoul, March 29, 2012. North Korea remains technically
> at war with South Korea since the end of the Korean War in 1953. In a sign
> North Korea is moving forward with its announced plan to launch a rocket in
> mid-April, a U.S. official confirmed the United States had detected
> activity that looked like launch preparations at a facility near the
> country's northwestern border with China]
> The UK's *Telegraph*
> reports<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9296587/US-...>,
> May 29, 2012, that at a conference held in Florida last week, Army
> Brigadier General Neil Tolley, commander of US special forces in South
> Korea<http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/>,
> said that North Korea had built thousands of tunnels since the Korean war,
> which are hidden from our satellites. And so, Tolley revealed:
>
> "*So we send (South Korean) soldiers and US soldiers to the North to do
> special reconnaissance. *After 50 years, we still don't know much about the
> capability and full extent of the underground facilities. We don't know how
> many we don't know about."
>
> Tolley's comments were reported on the website of *The Diplomat*, the
> National Defense Industrial Association's magazine.
>
> Gen Tolley said the commandos were sent in with minimal equipment to
> facilitate their movements and minimize the risk of detection by North
> Korean forces.
>
> At least four of the tunnels built by Pyongyang go under the Demilitarized
> Zone separating North and South Korea. Among the facilities identified are
> 20 air fields that are partially underground, and thousands of artillery
> positions. In February, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported that
> Pyongyang had built at least two new tunnels at a nuclear testing site,
> likely in preparation for a new test.
>
> +++
>
> Here are some statistics<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2012/05/28/saying-enough-to-th...>to
> remember:
>
> - U.S. national debt is now $16 trillion.
>
> - But U.S. "defense" military budget keeps going up: from $370 in 2001,
> to $620 billion in 2006, to $900 billion in 2012.
>
> - Since 1990 when America's most formidable enemy the Soviet Union fell
> apart, ending the Cold War, U.S. military expenses depleted the U.S.
> Treasury of $11.5 trillion.
>
> - U.S. national debt in 1990 was $3.2 trillion. Today, it is $15.7
> trillion -- a 500% increase in 22 years.
>
> - In 2001, spending on "defense" was 17% of total governmental spending.
> In 2012, Defense, Homeland Security, and war spending account for 25% of
> government spending.
>
> - We have thrown over $1.3 trillion down Middle East rat holes over the
> last 11 years with no discernible benefit to the citizens of the United
> States. But the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have cost America the lives of
> 6,470 soldiers and 47,545 wounded -- thus far.
>
> - America's perpetual wars are stressing and pushing our soldiers beyond
> their limits. Suicides by soldiers increased by 80% between 2004 and 2008.
> There are almost as many deaths by suicide as deaths in combat. Half of our
> returning Iraq and Afghan wars soldiers will go on disability.
>
> - Our military veterans, who make up 13% of the population, account for
> 23% of the homeless.
>
> Still on the fence about the U.S. Perpetual War Machine?
>
> *~Eowyn*
> *Dr. Eowyn <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/eowyn2/>* | May
> 29, 2012 at 6:33 am | Tags: Afghan
> war<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=afghan-war>,
> Gen. Neil Tolley<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=gen-neil-tolley>,
> Iraq war <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=iraq-war>, military
> suicides <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=military-suicides>,
> military
> veterans <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=military-veterans>, South
> Korea <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=south-korea>, US
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Tuesday, May 29, 2012

Stealth Islamic Propaganda Shown to Six Million American Students

New post on Creeping Sharia

Stealth Islamic Propaganda Shown to Six Million American Students

by creeping

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Drones Shot Down Over Texas

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by Harold

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Context of the Korea Special Forces Story

Context of the Korea Special Forces Story

28.05.12

http://www.warisboring.com/2012/05/28/context-of-the-korea-special-forces-story/

Categorie: David Axe, North Korea, Special Forces |

Tags: North Korea, Special Forces

by DAVID AXE

Some folks have accused me of "fabricating" quotations I attributed to Army

Brig. Gen. Neil Tolley regarding U.S. surveillance operations in North

Korea. See the original story here . and skepticism here and here.

The context was a panel featuring theater Special Operations Forces

commanders at the SOFIC conference in Florida the week of May 21. Tolley

spoke on the record to an audience of hundreds of industry, government and

media representatives.

If he was speaking hypothetically, he did not say so. He spoke in the

present tense . and at length. (Probably five minutes or so.)

Update #1: Oops. Actually, don't take Paul McLeary at Defense News as

corroboration. He has a different spin on the story. And besides, I forgot

that he and I used some of the same notes - my notes. But my notes have

Tolley saying what I attribute to him in the story.

Look people, Korea's not my usual beat. Far from it. I don't always know

what's news and what isn't in Korea. But I was in the room at the

conference. I took notes. There were many hundreds of witnesses - and

cameras, too.

Update #2: People are telling me that surely Tolley was speaking

hypothetically. If so, he did not specify. Or if he did, I did not hear him.

I heard him describing the technical challenges of conducting human

surveillance in North Korea. He described the problem, and his solution to

the problem, and the challenges incumbent in the solution. Sounded pretty

concrete to me.

Update #3: Comment from U.S. Forces Korea:

Brig. Gen. Tolley recently participated in a theater special operations

command commander panel discussion at a Special Operations Forces industry

conference. Some reporting has taken great liberal license with his

comments and taken him completely out of context. Quotes have been made up

and attributed to him. No U.S. or ROK forces have parachuted into North

Korea. Though special reconnaissance is a core special operations force

mission, at no time have SOF forces been sent to the north to conduct

special reconnaissance. The use of tunnels in North Korea is well

documented. Several of the known tunnels along the DMZ are visited by

tourists every day.

Update #4: Frankly, I'm relieved to hear the military say we're NOT sending

troops into North Korea. Some observers wonder how I could ever believe that

we HAD - after all, that would be an act of war. Yes, but we routinely

strike military and terror targets in foreign countries in ways that could

be construed as acts of war. Pakistan, anyone? Korea watchers are SHOCKED at

Tolley's comments, whatever the general's true meaning was. I guess I wasn't

as shocked because I'm accustomed to creeping American warfare.

By the way, I'm beginning to realize what a big deal this all is. Wish I'd

realized that earlier. But all that doesn't change what Tolley said,

according to my notes.

Update #5: I got to say, I'm hating this. I honestly had no idea this tiny

little story would be such a big deal. Yes, the news was "surprising" to me.

But a lot of news is a surprise to me . that's why it's news.

Update #6: I really hope someone has a transcript of this panel. Are my

handwritten notes inaccurate? Was the general vague in his comments? A

third-party written record will help clear this up. Anyone?

Update #7: So I'm attaching photos of my notes. Hard to read, I know. And

yes, I could FAKE notes. So I realize these won't necessarily convince

anyone who thinks I'm a North Korean agent trying to incite a war. For what

it's worth .

Update #8: Any other reporters who want clarity on this chain of reporting,

contact me at david_axe-at-hotmail.com. I'm in U.S. eastern time.

Update #9: Can I reiterate please how much I'm hating this? I've been shot

at and blown up and even kidnapped without feeling as crappy as I do about

this. I'm in this weird vortex where so many people are telling me I could

not possibly have heard what I said I heard that part of me is beginning to

believe them. I keep re-reading my notes, as though looking for something

new. I'm a reliable note-taker and a fairly seasoned reporter (I think) but

I can only write down what I hear and what I understand. Did I really screw

something up here? Am I being snowed by a general who said something he

shouldn't have and now fears for his career? Is it all a misunderstanding? I

have no idea any more. I just have these two sheets of paper in my hand .

and a lot of people telling me I'm about to start a war.

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