my wanting
to believe that we are still the God Fearing, "Nice" Republic that I
still
envision us to be.
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Our intention creates our reality.
Wayne Dyer
On May 16, 5:35 pm, Keith In Tampa <
keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Plain Ol';
>
> Actually, I regret writing the line that I wrote about, "We"; because I
> don't actually believe it and I think it's inaccurate, despite my wanting
> to believe that we are still the God Fearing, "Nice" Republic that I still
> envision us to be. Nevertheless, "Chief Warrant Officer Welshofer Junior"
> ain't: "We"......
>
> In January 2006, Chief Warrant Officer Lewis E. Welshofer Jr. of the
> 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment was convicted of negligent homicide for
> the torturing to death of Abed Hamed Mowhoush, a general in the Iraqi
> Air Force who had voluntarily surrendered to American forces.
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:43 PM, plainolamerican <
plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> > I disagree that torturing anyone is acceptable.
> > ---
> > terrorists don't deserve protection from the law
>
> > As stated, (and I think
> > pretty much proven by fact, despite Moonbats' assertions to the
> > contrary); "We've" (as in "We, The United States") have never
> > tortured
> > anyone!
> > ---
> > In January 2006, Chief Warrant Officer Lewis E. Welshofer Jr. of the
> > 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment was convicted of negligent homicide for
> > the torturing to death of Abed Hamed Mowhoush, a general in the Iraqi
> > Air Force who had voluntarily surrendered to American forces.
>
> > On May 16, 1:39 pm, Keith In Tampa <
keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I disagree that torturing anyone is acceptable. As stated, (and I think
> > > pretty much proven by fact, despite Moonbats' assertions to the
> > > contrary); "We've" (as in "We, The United States") have never tortured
> > > anyone!
>
> > > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:32 PM, plainolamerican
> > > <
plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > individuals that were waterboarded, were not
> > > > tortured.
> > > > ---
> > > > torturing terrorists is justifiable
>
> > > > Waterboarding can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs,
> > > > brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries
> > > > including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting
> > > > psychological damage and death. Adverse physical consequences can
> > > > manifest themselves months after the event, while psychological
> > > > effects can last for years.
>
> > > > On May 16, 12:58 am, Keith In Tampa <
keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Roberts' has a very prevaricate, distorted, skewed, inaccurate, and
> > a
> > > > > typical revisionist history account of Yoo's, the "Rumsfeld Defense
> > > > > Department Working Group's" Memoranda.
>
> > > > > As Bybee, Bradbury, Yoo and "Rumsfeld's Defense Department Working
> > Group"
> > > > > Memoranda all attest, the modern day waterboarding was a Level III
> > > > enhanced
> > > > > interrogation technique, which was done after all other techniques
> > had
> > > > > failed, and was utilized on only three individals, who clearly knew
> > that
> > > > an
> > > > > iminent attack was going to take place in the United States, e.g.; a
> > > > plane
> > > > > from Southeast Asia being targeted into a Los Angeles skyscraper,
> > and a
> > > > > dirty bomb being set off in Washington D.C.
>
> > > > > The waterboarding procedure, which took place for a maximum of 40
> > > > seconds,
> > > > > and never caused any pain, or any physical harm or mental harm, and
> > was
> > > > at
> > > > > all times monitored by both a medical doctor and a psychologist.
>
> > > > > If the enhanced interrogation technique of waterboarding is
> > 'torture',
> > > > then
> > > > > how does one survive the procedure after 183 times, without
> > revealing the
> > > > > information that is the purpose of the waterboarding, and without
> > > > suffering
> > > > > some pain, suffering, or consequential harm?
>
> > > > > As much as Roberts, and other Moonbats hate to address the real
> > truth,
> > > > the
> > > > > three (count em' 3!) individuals that were waterboarded, were not
> > > > > tortured.
>
> > > > > On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:03 PM, MJ <
micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > > > > *"If you were a Muslim terrorist seeking retribution for
> > Washington's
> > > > > > crimes, would you try to smuggle aboard an airliner a bomb in your
> > > > > > underwear or shoe in order to blow up people whose only
> > responsibility
> > > > for
> > > > > > Washington's war against Muslims is that they fell for Washington's
> > > > > > propaganda? If you wanted to blow up the innocent, wouldn't you
> > instead
> > > > > > place your bomb in the middle of the mass of humanity waiting to
> > clear
> > > > > > airport security and take out TSA personnel along with passengers?
> > > > > > Terrorists could coordinate their attacks, hitting a number of
> > large
> > > > > > airports across the US at the same minute. This would be real
> > terror.
> > > > > > Moreover, it would present TSA with an insolvable problem: how can
> > > > people
> > > > > > be screened before they are screened?"
>
> > > > > > **The Case of the Missing Terrorists
> > > > > > *Paul Craig Roberts
> > > > > > May 14, 2012<
> > > >
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/05/14/the-case-of-the-missing-te..
> > .>
>
> > > > > > If there were any real terrorists, Jose Rodriguez would be dead.
>
> > > > > > Who is Jose Rodriguez? He is the criminal who ran the CIA torture
> > > > program.
> > > > > > Most of his victims were not terrorists or even insurgents. Most
> > were
> > > > > > hapless individuals kidnapped by warlords and sold to the
> > Americans as
> > > > > > "terrorists" for the bounty paid.
>
> > > > > > If Rodriguez's identity was previously a secret, it is no more. He
> > has
> > > > > > been on CBS "60 Minutes" taking credit for torturing Muslims and
> > using
> > > > the
> > > > > > information allegedly gained to kill leaders of al Qaeda. If
> > terrorists
> > > > > > were really the problem that Homeland Security, the FBI and CIA
> > claim,
> > > > > > Rodriguez's name would be a struck through item on the terrorists'
> > hit
> > > > > > list. He would be in his grave.
>
> > > > > > So, also, would be John Yoo, who wrote the Justice (sic) Department
> > > > memos
> > > > > > giving the green light to torture, despite US and International
> > laws
> > > > > > prohibiting torture. Apparently, Yoo, a professor at the Boalt
> > School
> > > > of
> > > > > > Law at the University of California, Berkeley, was ignorant of US
> > and
> > > > > > international law. And so was the US Department of Justice (sic).
>
> > > > > > Notice that Rodriguez, "The Torturer of the Muslims," does't have
> > to
> > > > hide.
> > > > > > He can go on national television, reveal his identity, and revel
> > in his
> > > > > > success in torturing and murdering Muslims. Rodriguez has no Secret
> > > > Service
> > > > > > protection and would be an easy mark for assassination by
> > terrorists so
> > > > > > capable as to have, allegedly, pulled off 9/11.
>
> > > > > > Another easy mark for assassination would be former Secretary of
> > > > Defense
> > > > > > Donald Rumsfeld, who staffed up the Pentagon with neoconservative
> > > > > > warmongers such as Paul Wolfowitz and Douglas Feith, who in turn
> > > > concocted
> > > > > > the false information used to justify the invasions of Iraq and
> > > > > > Afghanistan. Rumsfeld himself declared members of al Qaeda to be
> > the
> > > > most
> > > > > > vicious and dangerous killers on earth. Yet Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz,
> > Feith,
> > > > > > Richard Perle, together with neoconservative media propagandists,
> > such
> > > > as
> > > > > > William Kristol and Max Boot, have been walking around safe for
> > years
> > > > > > unmolested by terrorists seeking revenge or bringing retribution to
> > > > those
> > > > > > responsible for as many as 1,000,000 Muslim deaths.
>
> > > > > > Condi Rice, Colin Powell, who delivered the Speech of Lies to the
> > UN
> > > > > > inaugurating the invasion of Iraq, and Dick Cheney, whose minimal
> > > > Secret
> > > > > > Service protection could not withstand a determined assassination
> > > > attempt,
> > > > > > also enjoy lives unmolested by terrorists.
>
> > > > > > Remember the deck of cards that the Bush regime had with Iraqi
> > faces?
> > > > If
> > > > > > terrorists had a similar deck, all of those named above would be
> > "high
> > > > > > value targets." Yet, there has not been a single attempt on any
> > one of
> > > > them.
>
> > > > > > Strange, isn't it, that none of the above are faced with a
> > terrorist
> > > > > > threat. Yet, the tough, macho Navy Seals who allegedly killed
> > Osama bin
> > > > > > Laden must have their identity kept hidden so that they don't
> > become
> > > > > > terrorist targets. These American supermen, highly trained killers
> > > > > > themselves, don't dare show their faces, but Rodriguez, Rumsfeld,
> > and
> > > > Condi
> > > > > > Rice can walk around unmolested. Indeed, the Seals' lives are so
> > > > endangered
> > > > > > that President Obama gave up the enormous public relations
> > political
> > > > > > benefit of a White House ceremony with the heroic Navy Seals. Very
> > > > strange
> > > > > > behavior for a politician. A couple of weeks after the alleged bin
> > > > Laden
> > > > > > killing, the Seals unit, or most of it, was wiped out in a
> > helicopter
> > > > crash
> > > > > > in Afghanistan.
>
> > > > > > If you were a Muslim terrorist seeking retribution for Washington's
> > > > > > crimes, would you try to smuggle aboard an airliner a bomb in your
> > > > > > underwear or shoe in order to blow up people whose only
> > responsibility
> > > > for
> > > > > > Washington's war against Muslims is that they fell for Washington's
> > > > > > propaganda? If you wanted to blow up the innocent, wouldn't you
> > instead
> > > > > > place your bomb in the middle of the mass of humanity waiting to
> > clear
> > > > > > airport security and take out TSA personnel along with passengers?
> > > > > > Terrorists could coordinate their attacks, hitting a number of
> > large
> > > > > > airports across the US at
>
> ...
>
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