Thursday, May 17, 2012

Re: Unbelievable horrors in North Korea coming to light

I know what you mean. I've been to Cuba, but it was controlled as to where we could go. just the touristy stuff.

I always though if I won the lotto I would like to travel. And visit every national capital in the world and have the national dish there. combine my 2 loves travel and food. Perhaps I could get a Canada Council grant for it and make a TV show.....LOL

Bear



On 17 May 2012 10:39, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
I hadn't seen this Bear.  thanks for sharing.  I continue to study North Korea and it's leadership.  Fascinating.  Believe it or not,  I would love to go there.  The last bastion of Cold War totalinarism.
 
 
 
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Bear Bear <thatbearguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Shocking. Maybe some of those Marxist occupado's should go and see what communism is really like.


peter-worthington
By ,QMI Agency

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TORONTO - Arguably, the most poignant interview ever broadcast on CBC Radio's The Curent, was the story this week, of Shin Dong-hyuk — possibly the only person ever to escape from a North Korean slave-labour prison camp.

All stories about prisons are harsh, but prisons, or political labour camps run by totalitarian regimes can be beyond rational comprehension. And while the Soviet gulag with its millions confined, and China's with even more millions in custody, are inhumane and brutal, they pale to horrors of North Korea's slave camps. Especially in the year 2012.

As the only person ever to escape from a NK camp, Shin Dong-hyuk's story is important as it is unique in giving the world a peek inside that regime, and how the ruling Kim family maintains absolute control through fear and cruelty.

Journalist Blaine Harden discovered Shin, and tells his story in a book — Escape from Camp 14. Harden, a translator and Shin were interviewed by Anna Maria Tremonti on the CBC, and provided a wealth of appalling reality that defies imagination.

Estimates are that roughly 200,000 are in NK slave-labour camps — three generations of inmates. Shine was born in Camp 14. The only food inmates ate was a mush of corn, cabbage and salt — supplemented by mice if they could catch them. And insects.

The electrified razor wire around the camp would kill any who touched it. Anyone caught talking about escaping was shot. Shin was conceived when guards allowed brief intimacy between a male and female inmate for obedient behaviour.

At age 14, he heard his mother and brother talking about escape, and was so fearful and indoctrinated that he asked a guard what he should do. The guard turned him in, and he was roasted over a charcoal fire to extract more information. Then he witnessed his mother and brother hanged.

Rather than feel guilt at their death, he was angry that their loose talk made life tougher for him. Normal, human instincts were channeled into self-preservation.

Shin and another inmate decided to escape, but the other guy was electrocuted trying to get past the fence. Shin crawled over his friend's dead body, which grounded the current. He fled north, stole an army uniform, got into China and made his way to Shanghai, where he reached the South Korean embassy and was taken to Seoul.

Among his recollections is a schoolgirl in Camp 14 being beaten to death by a teacher because she had a few kernels of corn in her pocket.

When Shin accidentally dropped a sewing machine, half his middle finger was chopped off as punishment. Guards had inmates beat other inmates who broke rules.

Responding to Tremonti's question how such inhumane treatment could go on when even Russia and China were easing restrictions, author Harden explained that three generations of Kims rule the world's most tyrannical, oppressive state.

Kim Il-sung instigated the slave camps, followed by Kim Jong-il and now Kim Jong-un who maintain them. North Koreans know of these prisons and fear them to the point of absolute submissiveness and obedience.

Once convicted to a camp, relatives and children are confined to them.

Stalin used fear and intimidation as tools for control, North Korea even more so.

"Class enemies" destined for these horror camps include those who dare practice Christianity, or who don't keep photographs of Kim dusted and prominent in their homes.

If caught, listening to a foreign radio broadcasts can be fatal. As Shin's youthful experience indicated those with deviant thoughts, can be executed. Until he escaped at age 29, he had never tasted chicken or pork — only corn mush.

China is North Korea's protector — more fearful of having affluent, dynamic South Korea as a neighbour without impoverished NK as a buffer, than it is concerned about such niggling nuisances as basic human rights.

In negotiations with North Korea, neither the U.S. nor Japan, and certainly not China, ever raise the question of human rights. What's the use? Perhaps our politicians should read Escape from Camp 14.

 


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**JP** - Why you should look around your vehicle ?



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To:
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 4:49 PM
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Thanks Imran, Jazaak Allah Khair 

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Re: Unbelievable horrors in North Korea coming to light

<Grin>!
 
You're probably right Mark!  There are a number of those You-Tube videos, of the "Tour" that they give to individuals....All of them resemble the exact same thing.  You go and give kudos to "Great Leader".  They put you on a bus, damn near blind folded to go and see the temple of where they keep all of the gifts that were given to Great Leader; and there are always a bunch of Korean "Tour Guides" giving the tourists a ration of shit for even looking like they want to take a picture of something.
 
It would be fun!  Dangerous.....Yes,  but fun! 
 


 
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 5:09 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
Keith... You and or I would simply wind up dead or in jail if we
visited...
Neither of us could keep our mouths shut.

On May 17, 8:39 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hadn't seen this Bear.  thanks for sharing.  I continue to study North
> Korea and it's leadership.  Fascinating.  Believe it or not,  I would love
> to go there.  The last bastion of Cold War totalinarism.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > *Shocking. Maybe some of those Marxist occupado's should go and see what
> > communism is really like.
>
> > *
> > [image: peter-worthington]
> > By Peter Worthington <http://www.ottawasun.com/author/peter-worthington> ,QMI
> > Agency
>
> > [image: Shin Dong-hyuk 160512] Shin Dong-hyuk, likely the only man to
> > successfully escape from a North Korean prison camp.
> >  4<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/15/unbelievable-horrors-in-north-kor...>
>
> >    - Change text size for the story<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/15/unbelievable-horrors-in-north-kor...>
> >    - Print this story<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/15/unbelievable-horrors-in-north-kor...>
>
> > Report an error <http://www.ottawasun.com/contact-us#story>
> > Related Stories
>
> >    - North Korea's nuclear test ready 'soon'<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/04/24/north-koreas-nuclear-test-ready-s...>
> >    - World powers urge N.Korea to refrain from nuclear test<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/03/world-powers-urge-nkorea-to-refra...>
> >    - UN chief: N.Korea missile 'deplorable'<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/04/12/us-official-confirms-north-korea-...>
> >    - Clinton says U.S. willing to work with N.Korea if it reforms<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/04/clinton-says-us-willing-to-work-w...>
>
> > TORONTO - Arguably, the most poignant interview ever broadcast on CBC
> > Radio's The Curent, was the story this week, of Shin Dong-hyuk — possibly
> > the only person ever to escape from a North Korean slave-labour prison camp.
>
> > All stories about prisons are harsh, but prisons, or political labour
> > camps run by totalitarian regimes can be beyond rational comprehension. And
> > while the Soviet gulag with its millions confined, and China's with even
> > more millions in custody, are inhumane and brutal, they pale to horrors of
> > North Korea's slave camps. Especially in the year 2012.
>
> > As the only person ever to escape from a NK camp, Shin Dong-hyuk's story
> > is important as it is unique in giving the world a peek inside that regime,
> > and how the ruling Kim family maintains absolute control through fear and
> > cruelty.
>
> > Journalist Blaine Harden discovered Shin, and tells his story in a book —
> > Escape from Camp 14. Harden, a translator and Shin were interviewed by Anna
> > Maria Tremonti on the CBC, and provided a wealth of appalling reality that
> > defies imagination.
>
> > Estimates are that roughly 200,000 are in NK slave-labour camps — three
> > generations of inmates. Shine was born in Camp 14. The only food inmates
> > ate was a mush of corn, cabbage and salt — supplemented by mice if they
> > could catch them. And insects.
>
> > The electrified razor wire around the camp would kill any who touched it.
> > Anyone caught talking about escaping was shot. Shin was conceived when
> > guards allowed brief intimacy between a male and female inmate for obedient
> > behaviour.
>
> > At age 14, he heard his mother and brother talking about escape, and was
> > so fearful and indoctrinated that he asked a guard what he should do. The
> > guard turned him in, and he was roasted over a charcoal fire to extract
> > more information. Then he witnessed his mother and brother hanged.
>
> > Rather than feel guilt at their death, he was angry that their loose talk
> > made life tougher for him. Normal, human instincts were channeled into
> > self-preservation.
>
> > Shin and another inmate decided to escape, but the other guy was
> > electrocuted trying to get past the fence. Shin crawled over his friend's
> > dead body, which grounded the current. He fled north, stole an army
> > uniform, got into China and made his way to Shanghai, where he reached the
> > South Korean embassy and was taken to Seoul.
>
> > Among his recollections is a schoolgirl in Camp 14 being beaten to death
> > by a teacher because she had a few kernels of corn in her pocket.
>
> > When Shin accidentally dropped a sewing machine, half his middle finger
> > was chopped off as punishment. Guards had inmates beat other inmates who
> > broke rules.
>
> > Responding to Tremonti's question how such inhumane treatment could go on
> > when even Russia and China were easing restrictions, author Harden
> > explained that three generations of Kims rule the world's most tyrannical,
> > oppressive state.
>
> > Kim Il-sung instigated the slave camps, followed by Kim Jong-il and now
> > Kim Jong-un who maintain them. North Koreans know of these prisons and fear
> > them to the point of absolute submissiveness and obedience.
>
> > Once convicted to a camp, relatives and children are confined to them.
>
> > Stalin used fear and intimidation as tools for control, North Korea even
> > more so.
>
> > "Class enemies" destined for these horror camps include those who dare
> > practice Christianity, or who don't keep photographs of Kim dusted and
> > prominent in their homes.
>
> > If caught, listening to a foreign radio broadcasts can be fatal. As Shin's
> > youthful experience indicated those with deviant thoughts, can be executed.
> > Until he escaped at age 29, he had never tasted chicken or pork — only corn
> > mush.
>
> > China is North Korea's protector — more fearful of having affluent,
> > dynamic South Korea as a neighbour without impoverished NK as a buffer,
> > than it is concerned about such niggling nuisances as basic human rights.
>
> > In negotiations with North Korea, neither the U.S. nor Japan, and
> > certainly not China, ever raise the question of human rights. What's the
> > use? Perhaps our politicians should read Escape from Camp 14.
>
> >  --
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Re: It's Romney's to Lose: Here's How He Does It

What is funny is that few people realize that Paul has not and is not
varying from PLAN "A"... He continues to do exactly what he said he
would do at the outset. When Tampa opens... they will have to listen.

On May 16, 1:01 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> It's Romney's to Lose: Here's How He Does ItRobin Koerner
> Posted: 05/16/2012 12:09 pm
> Many of Ron Paul's supporters are currently abuzz with a letter that was written byJennifer Sheehan, the RNC's legal council in 2008, whichappearsto state that no state delegate to the GOP convention is bound by his state to vote for a particular candidate. The excitement derives from the fact that if it were true, an outright Romney victory in the first round of voting at the convention in Tampa would be rather unlikely. But if it is not true -- and I am sure the GOP will change rules if necessary to make it untrue -- there may be just as much excitement to be had in the possibility of something that is rather more in the control of Paul's supporters.
> It's the big "What if?" question that the letter begs but that few have asked.
> What if Paul's supporters just ignore the binding rules and vote their consciences? What if, in Tampa, all those Paul supporters who are bound by state rules to vote for Romney put the ball firmly back in the GOP's court, and say, "Your move"?
> One's first reaction might be to point out that if that were possible, it would have happened before.
> But that would be a mistake. The GOP is now in uncharted territory.
> Romney's support has proven so shallow and Paul's so deep that, all over the country, at GOP meetings in which delegates are selected to represent a county at the state convention or a state at the national convention, there are too many Paulites in the room to allow pro-Romney party officials to get their favored slates pushed through without underhanded shenanigans. This is having important effects. The most immediately important of these is that, in states where delegates are bound to vote for the candidate who won the state's primary vote (often Romney), the delegates who care enough to actually participate in the process are Paul supporters, and they are selecting Paul-favoring delegates. For example, whereas of the 28 delegates that Nevada will be sending to Tampa, eight are bound to Paul and 20 are bound to Romney, 14 of Romney's eight are really Ron Paul supporters who'd only be voting for Romney because they are "bound" to. And in Colorado, where 14 delegates are bound to Romney, and only two to Paul, what the official numbers don't say is that the 16 uncommitted are probably all Paul supporters.
> So if the Paul supporters were not bound, they may indeed have the numbers, and therefore the means, to stop Romney in the first round of voting. But would they have the chutzpah to unbind themselves -- and a reasonable expectation that if they caused such creative chaos, the outcome could be favorable? I think they do -- courtesy of the GOP itself.
> Romney's Achilles' heel is a moral one. It is the sum of all of the cheating that has been done in his favor by the party. For example...
> In Oklahoma, party officials pulled out a ballroom divider to cordon off Ron Paul supporters and shut them out of participation. Later they turned out the lights. Voice votes that were clearly lost were declared won.
> In Alaska, party officials defeated the majority by retaining the committee which "interpreted rules" and later, after taking the delegation, reluctantly gave up the party control to the new majority but transferred all of the money out of the Republican Party accounts.
> In Virginia, at a district convention, officials coaxed the Ron Paul delegation outside and then locked the door. The pastor of the church that was hosting the event was, himself, locked outside.
> In Missouri, officials had all the delegates sign up at county conventions and then had their county chairman take the rolls outside and lock them in their car trunks so they could block roll call voting and have their chairman declare lost voice votes as won.
> And so on, and so on.The full list, of which is the above is a tiny part, not only provides a moral justification for Paul's people to refuse to play ball at the convention: more importantly, it explains why such hardball could actually work. After all, which fair-minded American wouldn't like to see powerful partisans punished for their arrogance? Which Democrat or Independent or even average American who doesn't care much for politics but feels seriously let down by a political elite who act out of a sense of entitlement rather than a sense of service -- which of them wouldn't think the Paul people were doing no more than giving as good as they had gotten... especially when the nation is reminded that the GOP wasn't bound by its own rules whenit chose to providematerial support to Romney while the race was still ongoing.
> Imagine it. At last,their rEVOLutionwould have to be televised, and what good TV it would be -- the very stuff that cable infotainment is made of.
> When a reporter from CNN interviews a delegate from Nevada with faintly disapproving confusion, the delegate might say, "We wish we didn't have to do it, but at the state convention in 2008, the party officersturned out the lightsand left in the middle of the meeting just so our vote for Ron Paul wouldn't be counted. So we think it's payback time."
> And when that airs, I don't think many Americans would disagree with him. Yet, plenty would think that in a small way, the Paulbots had just landed a punch on behalf of a nation that has wondered for too long how to get through to that special elite that long ago forgot who works for whom.
> What could the GOP do about it?
> If it were to disqualify all those self-unbinding delegates, the fracture -- and more importantly, the story that it told -- would huge. The Democrats would eat it up and the GOP would have just told 20% of its own base that they are not wanted. Even if Romney could still win the nomination, the GOP would have just lost the election.
> So the better course would be for the GOP to count Paul's delegates' votes, and Romney would be unlikely to win on the first round. His mantle as the one who could obviously beat Obama would be tarnished if he couldn't clearly beat his one Republican rival. Not only the liberty Republicans, but also the social Conservatives who never really trusted Romney anyway, would be in a position to choose a candidate they really cared for in the subsequent rounds.
> And that's when the narrative would really change.
> Everyone knows that in a second ballot, Romney's vote would fall, making him less credible, and (here's the safest bet in American politics) Paul's rises, making him the most exciting ticket in town.
> Once the inevitability of Romney's nomination disappears, everyone will be free to admit that it was only the illusion of inevitability that made him look like, well, the inevitable nominee in the first place.
> If the Mormon halo flickers, that very human capacity that has so far served Romney so well -- the post hoc justification of something believed to be in one's self-interest -- would swing, in short order, in Paul's favor. People get very excited about an underdog who can win -- especially if he is an underdog that was kept down by nefarious means.
> Is this possibility or fantasy? At the time of writing, the official bound state delegatecountsout ofthe few statesthat have already held their state conventions are 33 for Paul and 73 for Romney, but the number of delegates from these states that are known to favor Paul and Romney are 65 and 59, respectively. All other delegate numbers are at this point projections or speculation.
> Those who look at the mountain that Ron Paul has to climb and wonder, "How?" might find their answer by looking at the mountain that Romney has to tumble down, and asking the very same question.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/its-romneys-to-lose-heres_b_1519827.html?ref=email_share

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Re: Unbelievable horrors in North Korea coming to light

Keith... You and or I would simply wind up dead or in jail if we
visited...
Neither of us could keep our mouths shut.

On May 17, 8:39 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hadn't seen this Bear.  thanks for sharing.  I continue to study North
> Korea and it's leadership.  Fascinating.  Believe it or not,  I would love
> to go there.  The last bastion of Cold War totalinarism.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > *Shocking. Maybe some of those Marxist occupado's should go and see what
> > communism is really like.
>
> > *
> > [image: peter-worthington]
> > By Peter Worthington <http://www.ottawasun.com/author/peter-worthington> ,QMI
> > Agency
>
> > [image: Shin Dong-hyuk 160512] Shin Dong-hyuk, likely the only man to
> > successfully escape from a North Korean prison camp.
> >  4<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/15/unbelievable-horrors-in-north-kor...>
>
> >    - Change text size for the story<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/15/unbelievable-horrors-in-north-kor...>
> >    - Print this story<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/15/unbelievable-horrors-in-north-kor...>
>
> > Report an error <http://www.ottawasun.com/contact-us#story>
> > Related Stories
>
> >    - North Korea's nuclear test ready 'soon'<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/04/24/north-koreas-nuclear-test-ready-s...>
> >    - World powers urge N.Korea to refrain from nuclear test<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/03/world-powers-urge-nkorea-to-refra...>
> >    - UN chief: N.Korea missile 'deplorable'<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/04/12/us-official-confirms-north-korea-...>
> >    - Clinton says U.S. willing to work with N.Korea if it reforms<http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/05/04/clinton-says-us-willing-to-work-w...>
>
> > TORONTO - Arguably, the most poignant interview ever broadcast on CBC
> > Radio's The Curent, was the story this week, of Shin Dong-hyuk — possibly
> > the only person ever to escape from a North Korean slave-labour prison camp.
>
> > All stories about prisons are harsh, but prisons, or political labour
> > camps run by totalitarian regimes can be beyond rational comprehension. And
> > while the Soviet gulag with its millions confined, and China's with even
> > more millions in custody, are inhumane and brutal, they pale to horrors of
> > North Korea's slave camps. Especially in the year 2012.
>
> > As the only person ever to escape from a NK camp, Shin Dong-hyuk's story
> > is important as it is unique in giving the world a peek inside that regime,
> > and how the ruling Kim family maintains absolute control through fear and
> > cruelty.
>
> > Journalist Blaine Harden discovered Shin, and tells his story in a book —
> > Escape from Camp 14. Harden, a translator and Shin were interviewed by Anna
> > Maria Tremonti on the CBC, and provided a wealth of appalling reality that
> > defies imagination.
>
> > Estimates are that roughly 200,000 are in NK slave-labour camps — three
> > generations of inmates. Shine was born in Camp 14. The only food inmates
> > ate was a mush of corn, cabbage and salt — supplemented by mice if they
> > could catch them. And insects.
>
> > The electrified razor wire around the camp would kill any who touched it.
> > Anyone caught talking about escaping was shot. Shin was conceived when
> > guards allowed brief intimacy between a male and female inmate for obedient
> > behaviour.
>
> > At age 14, he heard his mother and brother talking about escape, and was
> > so fearful and indoctrinated that he asked a guard what he should do. The
> > guard turned him in, and he was roasted over a charcoal fire to extract
> > more information. Then he witnessed his mother and brother hanged.
>
> > Rather than feel guilt at their death, he was angry that their loose talk
> > made life tougher for him. Normal, human instincts were channeled into
> > self-preservation.
>
> > Shin and another inmate decided to escape, but the other guy was
> > electrocuted trying to get past the fence. Shin crawled over his friend's
> > dead body, which grounded the current. He fled north, stole an army
> > uniform, got into China and made his way to Shanghai, where he reached the
> > South Korean embassy and was taken to Seoul.
>
> > Among his recollections is a schoolgirl in Camp 14 being beaten to death
> > by a teacher because she had a few kernels of corn in her pocket.
>
> > When Shin accidentally dropped a sewing machine, half his middle finger
> > was chopped off as punishment. Guards had inmates beat other inmates who
> > broke rules.
>
> > Responding to Tremonti's question how such inhumane treatment could go on
> > when even Russia and China were easing restrictions, author Harden
> > explained that three generations of Kims rule the world's most tyrannical,
> > oppressive state.
>
> > Kim Il-sung instigated the slave camps, followed by Kim Jong-il and now
> > Kim Jong-un who maintain them. North Koreans know of these prisons and fear
> > them to the point of absolute submissiveness and obedience.
>
> > Once convicted to a camp, relatives and children are confined to them.
>
> > Stalin used fear and intimidation as tools for control, North Korea even
> > more so.
>
> > "Class enemies" destined for these horror camps include those who dare
> > practice Christianity, or who don't keep photographs of Kim dusted and
> > prominent in their homes.
>
> > If caught, listening to a foreign radio broadcasts can be fatal. As Shin's
> > youthful experience indicated those with deviant thoughts, can be executed.
> > Until he escaped at age 29, he had never tasted chicken or pork — only corn
> > mush.
>
> > China is North Korea's protector — more fearful of having affluent,
> > dynamic South Korea as a neighbour without impoverished NK as a buffer,
> > than it is concerned about such niggling nuisances as basic human rights.
>
> > In negotiations with North Korea, neither the U.S. nor Japan, and
> > certainly not China, ever raise the question of human rights. What's the
> > use? Perhaps our politicians should read Escape from Camp 14.
>
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