Friday, February 24, 2012

Re: No judge, no jury, gun rights taken for refusing medical procedure

Thanks for saving me the effort Keith

On Feb 24, 9:27 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Whoops.   I actually clicked on this link, and then went to the link within
> the link, and low and behold,  I came across Alex Jones and InfoWars.
>
> The story lost all credibility at that point.  Alex Jones is a crackpot.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > <http://a4cgr.wordpress.com/author/amcogore/>  No judge, no jury, gun
> > rights taken for refusing medical procedure<http://a4cgr.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/04-886/> by
> > Harold <http://a4cgr.wordpress.com/author/amcogore/>
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> > Brasscheck TV 2/23/2012 We've been posting on medical tyranny here on
> > Brasscheck TV, well over on our sister site, 2nd Amendment TV, we've been
> > posting on medical tyranny too. David Sarti's doctor was able to strip him
> > of his Second Amendment rights for refusing an unnecessary medical
> > procedure. Without so much as committing a crime [...]
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Re: Stopping the Next Hitler

Ouch!!!

not to worry ... they can only conduct needless wars if they have
willing soldiers.
given the unemployment rate they have plenty of fodder.

On Feb 24, 9:13 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> "In order to prevent another Hitler, it is necessary to know how Hitlers are made. The National Socialist recipe is in the public domain, available in any historical cookbook. Let's go into the kitchen with master chef Woodrow Wilson and watch the Nazi soufflé rise."Stopping the Next Hitlerby Bill WalkerThe US is about to launch yet another undeclared war on yet another eastern front, this time against Iran. Supposedly our permanent state of war is necessary to "stop the next Hitler"…. in other words, the way to prevent a Nazi regime from arising is to launch surprise attacks on small countries, round up Semitic scapegoats and put them in secret camps, spy on our own people with 17 Gestapo-style intelligence agencies, build a series of invincible robot wonder weapons… wait just a darn minute here. I think our foreign-policy cooks are using the wrong recipe book.
> In order to prevent another Hitler, it is necessary to know how Hitlers are made. The National Socialist recipe is in the public domain, available in any historical cookbook. Let's go into the kitchen with master chef Woodrow Wilson and watch the Nazi soufflé rise.Hitler: Created by US Intervention, Kept in Power by England and FranceGermany and France had fought a war in 1870. Some expendable soldiers died, a few civilians were collateral damage, and a couple border areas changed hands. Overall, the war changed nothing, and after the war Europe returned to peace and business as usual.
> In 1917 World War One was on track to burn itself out in similar fashion. Both sides were war-weary; common people had been reminded that being gassed and ripped apart by artillery isn't really as fun as it sounds. Another peace of exhaustion was in the cards, helped along by military technologies which favored the defender. Trench warfare and railbound supply lines made successful aggression difficult. Millions of troops died without changing the front lines very much.
> Woodrow Wilson saved the War To End Wars with a major media campaign and 2.8 million drafted Americans. Funded by the recently created Federal Reserve, the US poured fresh troops and money in to support the British and French empires. This allowed Clemenceau and Lloyd George to launch a total war against the German civilian population.
> The Germans signed an Armistice on November 11, 1918. However, the Allies didn't stop fighting. They used their fleets to blockade (nowadays we would say "to impose sanctions") Germany until July 1919. At least a quarter of a million Germans were killed by starvation and disease during the blockade.
> Backed by their invincible US mercenaries, the French and British looted Germany. The Versailles Treaty prevented economic recovery and any return to normal trade for Germans. The Weimar government tried to pay its impossible foreign debts by inflating the mark, destroying the middle class and discrediting capitalist values like honesty and saving. Socialism of different stripes became the only ideology in Germany.
> Without the Versailles Treaty, Hitler would have become a house-painting contractor or maybe a minor artist. Under the Treaty, he became a Messiah. People are evolved to live in tribes, and their default setting is xenophobic tribalism. Germans simply reset to the default setting, as other peoples from Japan to Rwanda have done under economic stress.
> After Hitler came to power, the other powers jumped in to… help him. Britain and France pressured the Czechs to cede a strip of land (which coincidentally contained the Czech defense fortifications). After the Czechs were rendered defenseless, Poland and Hungary annexed parts of Czechoslovakia, helping Germany finish it off.
> The interventionist policies of the other world powers also helped Hitler make Europe Judenfrei. Britain and France refused to allow most Jews to escape. Even in 1938, at theEvian Conference, the nations of the world continued to restrict Jewish immigration. The US used its navy and coast guard to turn back ships full of escaping Jews. Without these active government interventions, most of the Jews of Germany could have escaped the Holocaust.
> So Hitler was created by interventionist foreign policy and war, then enabled by more interventions. After he finally attacked his benefactors in open warfare… they still worked hard to keep him around. The Springfield-toting sniper in Saving Private Ryan asks a simple question: why not send him to shoot Hitler, instead of shooting one German draftee at a time? It's a very good question.Saving Corporal HitlerDid the heroic Allies actually try to remove Hitler and save the Jews, as our current mythology implies? Or did they treat him as just another member of the club, a good ol' boy engaged in the gentlemanly arts of demagoguery, war, and tax collection? Roger Moorhouse has collected all the attempts on Hitler's life intoone volume. The book is fairly short for lack of material; in general, governments made no serious attempts to kill Hitler. We know they could have, because one construction worker almost succeeded with no assistance.
> In 1938, an ordinary German carpenter named Georg Elser was convinced that Hitler was going to plunge Germany back into war. Elser decided to kill Hitler and save the world.
> First, he traveled to Munich for the observance of the November 8th anniversary of the 1923 Beer Hall Putsch, an important Nazi holiday. Hitler was obliged to give a speech at the Burgerbraukeller for these festivities. Elser simply went in afterward and bought a beer. He observed the position of the speaker's lectern and the structure of the hall. Then he went home and got a job in a quarry that used explosives.
> In August 1939, Elser moved to Munich. Every evening he bought dinner in the Burgerbraukeller. After each dinner he hid in a storeroom until the employees left. Then he emerged and worked all night, constructing a hidden cavity in a pillar behind the speaker's dais. On the 2nd of November 1939, he installed a large homemade bomb. On November 5, he set the timers for the evening of November 8 (remember this is a punctual German bomb, it had a backup timer).
> On the evening of November 8, Hitler entered the Burgerbraukeller and gave his speech. Unfortunately he was an hour early. Due to bad weather, he had decided to use the train instead of displaying his high-tech flair by flying. So he left the hall at 9:07. Elser's bomb went off exactly at 9:20, not only blasting the lectern but bringing the whole gallery down onto the dais. Instead of killing Hitler and other high-level Nazis, he got only a few low-ranking supporters.
> Elser missed… but not by much. He demonstrated that any individual who put a few months of their time into killing Hitler would have a pretty good chance of success. Unfortunately, as the rest of Moorhouse's book shows, the major governments of the world never spared as much as one full-time carpenter to kill Hitler. Stalin put elaborate assassination nets in place, but then carefully avoided any harm to Adolf, probably fearing that a less crazy leader would make Germany more powerful.
> The democratic Allies did no better. The British demonstrated that they could assassinate even the highest-ranking Nazis deep inside Eastern Europe, by killingReinhard Heydrich. They produced James Bond weapons like theWelrodpistol and distributed them to resistance movements, and assassinated Nazi small fry all over Europe. But though they did a feasibility study ("Operation Foxley") on shooting Hitler at his retreat in the Alps, they too left him strictly alone. On April 25, 1945, the British finally made some PR shock and awe by sending 375 bombers to blast Berchtesgaden. The results were the same as the attacks on Saddam Hussein at the beginning of the Iraq War; the dictator was nowhere nearby.
> The American war leadership followed the British lead. They preferred to spend billions on bombing ordinary German civilians rather than sending in one sniper to Berlin. (Killing Hitlermakes it plain that Hitler drove openly around Berlin until quite late in the war; he would have been no harder to hit than Heydrich). Hitler was left to pursue his campaign against the Jews to the very end.
> Governments, whether "democratic" or openly totalitarian, are all driven by the same evolutionary laws. They gain power by maximizing the length and cost of wars.
> "War is the health of the State" is a truism because it is true. Governments create and maintain Hitlers; if they remove one it is usually only to install another. (Ask the Poles and the Czechs how much they "benefited" from World War II… unlike switching to Geico, switching to Stalin didn't save them hundreds of thousands of lives).
> Hitler only died as an accidental byproduct of the financial and political machine that was World War. If he had actually used theWMDs that he had builtto win on D-Day and/or at Kursk, he might have come to a Cold War accommodation of his own and lived on to die of old age. As it was he simply failed to be a strong enough bogeyman, and was replaced by Stalin and Mao… each of whom killed far more people in peacetime genocides than Hitler.
> Mao alone killed around 77 million Chinese according to historian R.J. Rummel. Maybe Mao should take Hitler's place as the generic epithet for politician… but he won't, since he didn't lose. In fact, he went on to enjoy hispalaces and haremsand die at a ripe old age, much to his own surprise.After World War Two: Let a Thousand Hitlers BloomSince 1945, the US has given foreign aid to most of the world's genocidal dictatorships. Pol Pot was on the US dole, even after achieving the all-time record for "proportion of population killed". Castro was given massive aid after the Bay of Pigs…. and the biggest job security boon to a Latin American dictator ever, in the form of US trade restrictions that kept Castro economically dominant and most Cuban homes free of VCRs.
> Ho Chi Minh got a chunk of change from the US after the Vietnam War, although most of his support before that came from Warsaw Pact countries that borrowed the money from US banks. Idi Amin, Julius Nyerere, Robert Mugabe, Mobutu, Charles Taylor… you can just call the roll of dictators and not risk hitting one that wasn't on the take from official US foreign aid.
> Official foreign aid, like the current official US national debt, is just the tip of the iceberg. Unofficial aid can't even be easily tracked. All a dictator has to do is borrow money from a US bank; with a wink and a nudge from the Federal Reserve, he's on foreign aid that won't be on the books for twenty years, and even then not without a real audit of the Fed. This is how "socialist" regimes can exist with no visible means of support; they don't need a domestic market economy as long as they have their foreign-aid credit card.
> So let's drop the pretense that US intervention is about "stopping the next Hitler". Our taxes and borrowings and printings and flat-out imaginary wild promises support a worldwide network of little Hitlers, from the ex-Soviet Afghan warlords to the nuclear-armed god-kings of North Korea.
> If we want to "prevent the next Hitler", we first have to stop US foreign aid to all the little Hitlers of the world. Then we have to stop our home-grown Goebbels and Goerings from bankrupting our country with wars on every front. The "next Hitler" is us.http://lewrockwell.com/walker/walker45.1.html

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Re: Marriage equality in Maryland, Maine & again in California

Dems own DOMA.

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Re: Nuclear Hypocrisy

It doesn't matter what they say ... some Americans will stay afraid of
Iran. It's a old and sad story that costs Americans more tax dollars
and soldiers.

On Feb 24, 9:06 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> "U.S. intelligence reports in2007and2010came up with no evidence that Iran is currently attempting to build or acquire nuclear weapons. The International Atomic Energy Agency and UN inspectors have confirmed it. The chief of Israel's Mossad,Tamir Pardo, "doesn't think a nuclear Iran is an existential threat to Israel."James Clapper, the U.S. director of National Intelligence, recently told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, "We assess Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons, in part by developing various nuclear capabilities that better position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so. We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons." According to Pentagon spokesmanGeorge Little, "We have no indication that the Iranians have made a decision to develop a nuclear weapon.""Nuclear Hypocrisyby Laurence M. Vance, February 22, 2012
> Republican presidential candidates and officials in the U.S. government from the president on down have turned up the rhetoric against Iran.
> In his State of the Union address,Barack Obamastated, "America is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and I will take no options off the table to achieve that goal."
> Secretary of StateHillary Clintonreiterated that "it is the policy of this administration that Iran cannot be permitted to have a nuclear weapon and no option has ever been taken off the table."
> U.S. State Department spokesmanMark Tonermaintains that the Obama administration "is absolutely committed to preventing Iran from getting nuclear weapons."
> During a recent campaign stop in Cleveland,Newt Gingrichwarned about the dangers to Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, and New York from an Iranian nuclear strike. Said Gingrich, "Remember what it felt like on 9/11 when 3,100 Americans were killed. Now imagine an attack where you add two zeros. And it's 300,000 dead. Maybe a half million wounded. This is a real danger. This is not science fiction. That's why I think it's important that we have the strongest possible national security."
> Meanwhile, while campaigning in Missouri,Rick Santorumwarned Missourians about Iran: "Once they have a nuclear weapon, let me assure you, you will not be safe, even here in Missouri. These are folks who have been and are at war with us since 1979. This is a country that has killed more troops in Afghanistan and Iraq than the Iraqis and Afghans." (Funny that the Reagan administration facilitated the sale of arms to Iran in 1985 and 1986 when we were supposedly at war. And funny that Santorum said 1979 instead of 1953 the year that the United States overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran and installed an authoritarian puppet in the shah.)Mitt Romneyhas said that if you elect him, "Iran will not have a nuclear weapon" because "a nuclear-armed Iran is not only a threat to Israel, it is a threat to the entire world." If sanctions fail to halt Iran's nuclear ambitions, "there's nothing else we could do besides take military action."
> The charge has been made that Tehran's UN-inspected nuclear power program is a front for the development of nuclear weapons to target Israel and the United States.
> There are several things that negate that charge that the Republican presidential candidates seem to have missed.
> U.S. intelligence reports in2007and2010came up with no evidence that Iran is currently attempting to build or acquire nuclear weapons. The International Atomic Energy Agency and UN inspectors have confirmed it. The chief of Israel's Mossad,Tamir Pardo, "doesn't think a nuclear Iran is an existential threat to Israel."James Clapper, the U.S. director of National Intelligence, recently told the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, "We assess Iran is keeping open the option to develop nuclear weapons, in part by developing various nuclear capabilities that better position it to produce such weapons, should it choose to do so. We do not know, however, if Iran will eventually decide to build nuclear weapons." According to Pentagon spokesmanGeorge Little, "We have no indication that the Iranians have made a decision to develop a nuclear weapon."
> But whether or not Iran is developing nuclear weapons, and whether or not Iran develops nuclear weapons in the future, there are seven ways in which the U.S. government is guilty of nuclear hypocrisy.
> First, it is the United States that helped Iran to start its nuclear program. In 1967, under Dwight Eisenhower's "Atoms for Peace" program, the United Statessoldthe government of Iran a 5-megawatt, light-water-type research reactor. In 1978, Jimmy Carter made a deal with the shah of Iran to send up to eight U.S.-made light-water reactors to Iran, but the deal fell through after the Iranian revolution of 1979. A recently declassified 1974 Defense Departmentmemorandumnotes that should the shah fall from power, "domestic dissidents or foreign terrorists might easily be able to seize any special nuclear materials stored in Iran for use in bombs." The memo concludes that "an aggressive successor to the Shah might consider nuclear weapons the final item needed to establish Iran's complete military dominance of the region."
> Second, by a vote of 4 to 1, theU.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commissionrecently approved licenses to build two new nuclear reactors in Georgia at an existing nuclear site. The applications were submitted seven years ago. That was the first time in more than 30 years that the U.S. government has approved the construction of new nuclear reactors. The reactors that began operation in the last decades received their initial licenses before 1978. With all the talk about clean energy, green energy, climate change, and the pollution from coal-fired power plants, it is strange that the U.S. government has stifled the construction of new nuclear reactors for peaceful use.
> Third, besides the United States, the countries of Russia, China, France, Israel, and Great Britain, and, to a lesser extent, India, Pakistan, and North Korea, have nuclear weapons. Why are these countries not considered to be more of a threat to the United States than Iran? Especially Pakistan, which is very unstable, seeing that it borders on Afghanistan. And what about Russia and China? Director of National IntelligenceJames Clapperjust stated in his Worldwide Threat Assessment that "Russia and China are aggressive and successful purveyors of economic espionage against the United States." The controversy regarding Iran is less about nuclear weapons and more about the "sea of oil" that Iran sits on and the struggle for hegemony in the Middle East.
> Fourth, of the 195 countries in the world, 189 of them including Iran aresignersof theNuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. North Korea signed and then withdrew; India, Pakistan, and Israel never signed; and the new countries of Kosovo (2008) and South Sudan (2011) have not signed yet. Non-nuclear signatories of the treaty agree "not to receive the transfer from any transferor whatsoever of nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or of control over such weapons or explosive devices directly, or indirectly; not to manufacture or otherwise acquire nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices; and not to seek or receive any assistance in the manufacture of nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices." Article IV of the treaty allows countries to develop nuclear energy for peaceful purposes: "Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with Articles I and II of this Treaty." Why doesn't the United States pressure India, Pakistan, Israel, and North Korea to sign and abide by the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty instead of condemning Iran a signer that hasn't manufactured, acquired, or received any nuclear weapons?
> Fifth, Iran is surrounded by U.S.military bases. There is a new U.S.special operations teamknown as Joint Special Operations Task Force–Gulf Cooperation Council at work near Iran, and the U.S. military hasaircraft carrier battle groupsnear Iran's shores. Yet the United States and Iran signed theAlgiers Accordsin 1981 to end the hostage crisis. The first point, "Non-Intervention in Iranian Affairs," reads, "The United States pledges that it is and from now on will be the policy of the United States not to intervene, directly or indirectly, politically or militarily, in Iran's internal affairs." If words have any meaning, that would have to preclude investigating Iran's nuclear program.
> Sixth, who is the United States to say that a country should or shouldn't have nuclear weapons? When did all the other countries of the world appoint the United States to be the world's policeman, inspector, and guardian? As much as officials in the U.S. government may not like it, even if Iran had nuclear weapons that would still not give the United States the right to do anything about it beyond diplomacy. The United States has more than5,000nuclear warheads that are a threat to the entire planet. Every country in the world not just Iran would be justified in obtaining nuclear weapons to protect itself against the country that was the first to develop nuclear weapons, the country that has the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons, and the only country to ever use nuclear weapons in battle the United States.
> That brings us to my last point. There is only one country in the world that had a secret program theManhattan Projectto develop nuclear weapons for offensive purposes and then used them. On August 6, 1945, "Little Boy" was dropped on Hiroshima. Three days later, "Fat Man" was dropped on Nagasaki. Perhaps 200,000 people died, most of them Japanese civilians, some of them Korean conscripts, and a few of them Allied POWs. But wasn't dropping atomic bombs on Japan necessary to end World War II? First of all, World War II was anunnecessarywar. Second, World War II needs to berethought. Third, thanks to the recently publishedbookby the former president Herbert Hoover titledFreedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover's History of the Second World War, it has now once again been confirmed that Franklin Roosevelt lied about keeping America out of war even as he took one deliberate step after another to take it into war. And fourth, no it wasn't, at least according to then-GeneralDwight Eisenhower, who said, "The Japanese were ready to surrender and it wasn't necessary to hit them with that awful thing."
> Is Iran "guilty" of secretly developing a nuclear weapon? Perhaps. But one thing is certain the United States is guilty of nuclear hypocrisy and there is nothing secret about it.http://www.fff.org/comment/com1202p.asp

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Re: muslim assults athiest. muslim judge lets him walk.

This
Atheist was in fact attempting to agitate and cause a disturbance.
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It was basically one man's word against another's, the judge said.
so, creeping sharia, eh?

On Feb 24, 7:59 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Bear,
>
> I noted that in the AmericanAtheist Article of which you quoted; (and
> here's the link) :
>
> http://atheists.org/blog/2012/02/22/muslim-attacks-atheist-muslim-jud...
>
> The article mentions the video, and claims to share the link, but in fact,
> the link to the video is missing.
>
> Here's the video link:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yP-X3hpCfR8
>
> Here is also another article covering the same court hearing:
>
> http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/02/west_shore_judge_d...
>
> Note that in the PennLive article, it states that the law enforcement
> officer was not present during the purported attack.
>
> The web is now crawling with articles,  all based on the AmericanAtheists'
> article;  (and one other source);  but I question whether Judge "Mark
> Martin"  is in fact a Muslim.  Don't all Muslims have to take some kind of
> a funky Islamic name?
>
> No question that Muslims cannot get away with hiding behind Sharia, or a
> State Court of U.S. Court judge trying to inflict Sharia on our Court
> system,  but in this case, I don't think that is what happened.  This
> Atheist was in fact attempting to agitate and cause a disturbance.  He was
> clearly an asshole.
>
> Prefacing my view of this with the knowledge that I was not there during
> the court proceeding, and knowing that the AmericanAtheist has clearly
> misrepresented the truth in their article,  I think the Judge probably
> ruled correctly.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:32 AM, Bear Bear <thatbear...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > This case is just disgusting. Sharia law is slowly coming to the U.S.
> > At least in the U.S. a judge can be removed.
>
> > Be sure to listen to the videos in the links.
>
> > Bear
>
> > Muslim Attacks Atheist. Muslim Judge Dismisses Case, Blames Victim.
>
> > The Pennsylvania State Director of American Atheists, Inc., Mr. Ernest
> > Perce V., was assaulted by a Muslim while participating in a Halloween
> > parade. Along with a Zombie Pope, Ernest was costumed as Zombie
> > Muhammad. The assault was caught on video, the Muslim man admitted to
> > his crime and charges were filed in what should have been an
> > open-and-shut case. That's not what happened, though.
>
> >  The defendant is an immigrant and claims he did not know his actions
> > were illegal, or that it was legal in this country to represent
> > Muhammad in any form. To add insult to injury, he also testified that
> > his 9 year old son was present, and the man said he felt he needed to
> > show his young son that he was willing to fight for his Prophet.
>
> > The case went to trial, and as circumstances would dictate, Judge Mark
> > Martin is also a Muslim. What transpired next was surreal. The Judge
> > not only ruled in favor of the defendant, but called Mr. Perce a name
> > and told him that if he were in a Muslim country, he'd be put to
> > death. Judge Martin's comments included,
>
> > "Having had the benefit of having spent over 2 and a half years in
> > predominantly Muslim countries I think I know a little bit about the
> > faith of Islam. In fact I have a copy of the Koran here and I
> > challenge you sir to show me where it says in the Koran that Mohammad
> > arose and walked among the dead. I think you misinterpreted things.
> > Before you start mocking someone else's religion you may want to find
> > out a little bit more about it it makes you look like a dufus and Mr.
> > (Defendant) is correct. In many Arabic speaking countries something
> > like this is definitely against the law there. In their society in
> > fact it can be punishable by death and it frequently is in their
> > society.
>
> > Judge Martin then offered a lesson in Islam, stating,
>
> > "Islam is not just a religion, it's their culture, their culture. It's
> > their very essence their very being. They pray five times a day
> > towards Mecca to be a good Muslim, before you die you have to make a
> > pilgrimage to Mecca unless you are otherwise told you can not because
> > you are too ill too elderly, whatever but you must make the attempt.
> > Their greetings wa-laikum as-Salâm (is answered by voice) may god be
> > with you. Whenever, it's very common when speaking to each other it's
> > very common for them to say uh this will happen it's it they are so
> > immersed in it.
>
> > Judge Martin further complicates the issue by not only abrogating the
> > First Amendment, but completely misunderstanding it when he said,
>
> > "Then what you have done is you have completely trashed their essence,
> > their being. They find it very very very offensive. I'm a Muslim, I
> > find it offensive. But you have that right, but you're way outside
> > your boundaries or first amendment rights. This is what, and I said I
> > spent about 7 and a half years living in other countries. when we go
> > to other countries it's not uncommon for people to refer to us as ugly
> > Americans this is why we are referred to as ugly Americans, because we
> > are so concerned about our own rights we don't care about other
> > people's rights as long as we get our say but we don't care about the
> > other people's say"
>
> > But wait, it gets worse. The Judge refused to allow the video into
> > evidence, and then said,
>
> > "All that aside I've got here basically.. I don't want to say he said
> > she said but I've got two sides of the story that are in conflict with
> > each other."
>
> > And,
>
> > "The preponderance of, excuse me, the burden of proof… "
>
> > And,
>
> > "…he has not proven to me beyond a reasonable doubt that this
> > defendant is guilty of harassment, therefore I am going to dismiss the
> > charge"
>
> > The Judge neglected to address the fact that the ignorance of the law
> > does not justify an assault and that it was the responsibility of the
> > defendant to familiarize himself with our laws.  This is to say
> > nothing of the judge counseling the defendant that it is also not
> > acceptable for him to teach his children that it is acceptable to use
> > violence in the defense of religious beliefs.  Instead, the judge
> > gives Mr. Perce a lesson in Sharia law and drones on about the Muslim
> > faith, inform everyone in the court room how strongly he embraces
> > Islam, that the first amendment does not allow anyone " to piss off
> > other people and other cultures" and he was also insulted by Mr.
> > Perce's portrayal of Mohammed and the sign he carried.
>
> > This is a travesty. Not only did Judge Martin completely ignore video
> > evidence, but a Police Officer who was at the scene also testified on
> > Mr. Perce's behalf, to which the Judge also dismissed by saying the
> > officer didn't give an accurate account or doesn't give it any weight.
>
> > Here is a link to the video that includes the audio of the Judge
> > during the trial:
>
> > Here's coverage of the incident from the local ABC affiliate
>
> > Needless to say, this is totally, completely and unequivocally
> > unacceptable. That a Muslim immigrant can assault a United States
> > citizen in defense of his religious beliefs and walk away a free man,
> > while the victim is chastised and insulted by a Muslim judge who then
> > blamed the victim for the crime committed against him is a horrible
> > abrogation.
>
> > This reeks of those cases we used to read about where a woman is
> > blamed for her own rape because she "was asking for it" by virtue of
> > the clothing she chose to wear, and then having the Judge set the
> > rapist free.
>
> > I can promise you this, you have not heard the last of this issue. Not
> > by a long shot.
>
> > –
>
> > Al Stefanelli - Georgia State Director, American Atheists, Inc.
>
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