Friday, February 3, 2012

Re: Obama ... the myth believer

Actually Obama has the idea correct. He just has the players wrong. It
is my personal obligation to help ease the suffering of the poor and
infirm, as to Government... he was for complete separation of these
ideals..."Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto
God the things that are God's" unless he considers himself and the
government to be God.

On Feb 2, 5:09 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The president told the audience that he is motivated by "the Biblical
> call to care for the least of these — for the poor, for those at the
> margins of our society, to answer the responsibility we're given in
> Proverbs to 'speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for
> the rights of all who are destitute.'"
>
> He talked of the importance of "living by the principle that we are
> our brother's keeper, caring for the poor and those in need." He
> added, "But for me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus'
> teaching that 'for unto whom much is given, much shall be required.'
> It mirrors the Islamic belief that those who've been blessed have an
> obligation to use those blessings to help others, or the Jewish
> doctrine of moderation and consideration for others."
> ---
> Do you think the government is be 'obligated' to feed the poor,
> provide housing and health care ... because their religious doctrine
> says we should?
>
> a prime example of why we must keep religion out of the government.
> let'em fund their own charities w/o our tax dollars.

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Re: Antonio Alarcón: Do-It-Yourself Deportation, Mitt Romney Style

Such a sad sad story....this never would have happened had they simply
stayed in Mexico or entered the US legally as a complete family. Send
this little guy home to his parents as well.

On Feb 2, 3:26 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do-It-Yourself Deportation
> By ANTONIO ALARCÓN
> Published: February 1, 2012
> ONE of my happiest childhood memories is of my parents at my First
> Communion. But that's because most of my memories from that time are
> of their being absent. They weren't there for my elementary school
> graduation, or for parent-teacher conferences.
>
> From the time I was just a baby in Mexico, I lived with my
> grandparents while my parents traveled to other Mexican states to find
> work. I was 6 in 2000 when they left for the United States. And it
> took five years before they had steady jobs and were able to send for
> me. We've been together in this country ever since, working to build a
> life. Now I am 17 and a senior in high school in New York City. But my
> parents have left again, this time to return to Mexico.
>
> Last week, when asked in a debate what America should do about the 11
> million undocumented immigrants living here, Mitt Romney said he
> favored "self-deportation." He presented the strategy as a kinder
> alternative to just arresting people. Instead, he said, immigrants
> will "decide they can do better by going home because they can't find
> work here."
>
> But really this goes along with a larger movement in states like
> Arizona and Alabama to pass very tough laws against immigrants in an
> attempt to make their lives so unbearable that they have no choice but
> to leave. People have called for denying work, education and even
> medical treatment to immigrants without documentation; many immigrants
> have grown afraid of even going to the store or to church.
>
> The United States is supposed to be a great country that welcomes all
> kinds of people. Does Mr. Romney really think that this should be
> America's solution for immigration reform?
>
> You could say that my parents have self-deported, and that it was
> partly a result of their working conditions. It's not that they
> couldn't find work, but that they couldn't find decent work. My dad
> collected scrap metal from all over the city, gathering copper and
> steel from construction sites, garbage dumps and old houses. He earned
> $90 a day, but there was only enough work for him to do it once or
> twice a week. My mom worked at a laundromat six days a week, from 6
> a.m. until 6 p.m., for $70 a day.
>
> But the main reason they had to leave was personal. I have a brother,
> 16, a year younger than me, still living in Mexico. He was too little
> to cross the border with me when I came to the United States, and as
> the government has cracked down on immigration in the years since, the
> crossing has become more expensive and much more dangerous. And there
> was no hope of his getting a green card, as none of us have one
> either. So he stayed with my grandparents, but last year my
> grandmother died and two weeks ago my grandfather also died. My
> parents were confronted with a dilemma: Leave one child alone in New
> York City, or leave the other alone in Mexico. They decided they had
> to go back to Mexico.
>
> Now once again I am missing my parents. I know it was very difficult
> for them to leave me here, worrying about how I will survive because
> I'm studying instead of earning money working. I'm living with my
> uncles, but it is hard for my mother to know that I'm coming home to a
> table with no dinner on it, where there had been dinner before. And
> it's hard for me not having my parents to talk to, not being able to
> ask for advice that as a teenager you need. Now that they are in
> Mexico, I wonder who will be at my graduation, my volleyball games or
> my birthday? With whom will I share my joy or my sad moments?
>
> I know a girl named Guadalupe, whose parents have also decided to
> return to Mexico, because they can't find work here and rent in New
> York City is very expensive. She is very smart and wants to be the
> first in her family to attend college, and she wants to study
> psychology. But even though she has lived here for years and finished
> high school with a 90 percent average, she, like me, does not have
> immigration papers, and so does not qualify for financial aid and
> can't get a scholarship.
>
> People like Guadalupe and me are staying in this country because we
> have faith that America will live up to its promise as a fair and just
> country. We hope that there will be comprehensive immigration reform,
> with a path to citizenship for people who have spent years living and
> working here. When reform happens, our families may be able to come
> back, and if not, at least we will be able to visit them without the
> risk of never being able to return to our lives here. We hope that the
> Dream Act — which would let undocumented immigrants who came here as
> children go to college and become citizens and which has stalled in
> Congress — will pass so that we can get an education and show that
> even though we are immigrants we can succeed in this country.
>
> If, instead, the political climate gets more and more anti-immigrant,
> eventually some immigrants will give up hope for America and return to
> their home countries, like my parents did. But I don't think this is
> something that our presidential candidates should encourage or be
> proud of.
>
> Immigrants have made this country great. We are not looking for a free
> ride, but instead we are willing to work as hard as we can to show
> that we deserve to be here and to be treated like first-class
> citizens. Deportation, and "self-deportation," will result only in
> dividing families and driving them into the shadows. In America,
> teenagers shouldn't have to go through what I'm going through.
>
> Antonio Alarcón is a high school student and a member of Make the Road
> New York, an immigrant advocacy group. This essay was translated by
> Natalia Aristizabal-Betancur from the Spanish.
>
> More:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/opinion/do-it-yourself-deportation....
>
> --
> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> Have a great day,
> Tommy
>
> --
> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> Have a great day,
> Tommy

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Re: Antonio Alarcón: Do-It-Yourself Deportation, Mitt Romney Style

Immigrants have made this country great.
---
illegal immigrants are trashing this country.

it'll become more of a shit hole like mexico as the invasion
continues.

On Feb 2, 3:26 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do-It-Yourself Deportation
> By ANTONIO ALARCÓN
> Published: February 1, 2012
> ONE of my happiest childhood memories is of my parents at my First
> Communion. But that's because most of my memories from that time are
> of their being absent. They weren't there for my elementary school
> graduation, or for parent-teacher conferences.
>
> From the time I was just a baby in Mexico, I lived with my
> grandparents while my parents traveled to other Mexican states to find
> work. I was 6 in 2000 when they left for the United States. And it
> took five years before they had steady jobs and were able to send for
> me. We've been together in this country ever since, working to build a
> life. Now I am 17 and a senior in high school in New York City. But my
> parents have left again, this time to return to Mexico.
>
> Last week, when asked in a debate what America should do about the 11
> million undocumented immigrants living here, Mitt Romney said he
> favored "self-deportation." He presented the strategy as a kinder
> alternative to just arresting people. Instead, he said, immigrants
> will "decide they can do better by going home because they can't find
> work here."
>
> But really this goes along with a larger movement in states like
> Arizona and Alabama to pass very tough laws against immigrants in an
> attempt to make their lives so unbearable that they have no choice but
> to leave. People have called for denying work, education and even
> medical treatment to immigrants without documentation; many immigrants
> have grown afraid of even going to the store or to church.
>
> The United States is supposed to be a great country that welcomes all
> kinds of people. Does Mr. Romney really think that this should be
> America's solution for immigration reform?
>
> You could say that my parents have self-deported, and that it was
> partly a result of their working conditions. It's not that they
> couldn't find work, but that they couldn't find decent work. My dad
> collected scrap metal from all over the city, gathering copper and
> steel from construction sites, garbage dumps and old houses. He earned
> $90 a day, but there was only enough work for him to do it once or
> twice a week. My mom worked at a laundromat six days a week, from 6
> a.m. until 6 p.m., for $70 a day.
>
> But the main reason they had to leave was personal. I have a brother,
> 16, a year younger than me, still living in Mexico. He was too little
> to cross the border with me when I came to the United States, and as
> the government has cracked down on immigration in the years since, the
> crossing has become more expensive and much more dangerous. And there
> was no hope of his getting a green card, as none of us have one
> either. So he stayed with my grandparents, but last year my
> grandmother died and two weeks ago my grandfather also died. My
> parents were confronted with a dilemma: Leave one child alone in New
> York City, or leave the other alone in Mexico. They decided they had
> to go back to Mexico.
>
> Now once again I am missing my parents. I know it was very difficult
> for them to leave me here, worrying about how I will survive because
> I'm studying instead of earning money working. I'm living with my
> uncles, but it is hard for my mother to know that I'm coming home to a
> table with no dinner on it, where there had been dinner before. And
> it's hard for me not having my parents to talk to, not being able to
> ask for advice that as a teenager you need. Now that they are in
> Mexico, I wonder who will be at my graduation, my volleyball games or
> my birthday? With whom will I share my joy or my sad moments?
>
> I know a girl named Guadalupe, whose parents have also decided to
> return to Mexico, because they can't find work here and rent in New
> York City is very expensive. She is very smart and wants to be the
> first in her family to attend college, and she wants to study
> psychology. But even though she has lived here for years and finished
> high school with a 90 percent average, she, like me, does not have
> immigration papers, and so does not qualify for financial aid and
> can't get a scholarship.
>
> People like Guadalupe and me are staying in this country because we
> have faith that America will live up to its promise as a fair and just
> country. We hope that there will be comprehensive immigration reform,
> with a path to citizenship for people who have spent years living and
> working here. When reform happens, our families may be able to come
> back, and if not, at least we will be able to visit them without the
> risk of never being able to return to our lives here. We hope that the
> Dream Act — which would let undocumented immigrants who came here as
> children go to college and become citizens and which has stalled in
> Congress — will pass so that we can get an education and show that
> even though we are immigrants we can succeed in this country.
>
> If, instead, the political climate gets more and more anti-immigrant,
> eventually some immigrants will give up hope for America and return to
> their home countries, like my parents did. But I don't think this is
> something that our presidential candidates should encourage or be
> proud of.
>
> Immigrants have made this country great. We are not looking for a free
> ride, but instead we are willing to work as hard as we can to show
> that we deserve to be here and to be treated like first-class
> citizens. Deportation, and "self-deportation," will result only in
> dividing families and driving them into the shadows. In America,
> teenagers shouldn't have to go through what I'm going through.
>
> Antonio Alarcón is a high school student and a member of Make the Road
> New York, an immigrant advocacy group. This essay was translated by
> Natalia Aristizabal-Betancur from the Spanish.
>
> More:http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/02/opinion/do-it-yourself-deportation....
>
> --
> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> Have a great day,
> Tommy
>
> --
> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> Have a great day,
> Tommy

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Obama ... the myth believer

The president told the audience that he is motivated by "the Biblical
call to care for the least of these — for the poor, for those at the
margins of our society, to answer the responsibility we're given in
Proverbs to 'speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for
the rights of all who are destitute.'"

He talked of the importance of "living by the principle that we are
our brother's keeper, caring for the poor and those in need." He
added, "But for me as a Christian, it also coincides with Jesus'
teaching that 'for unto whom much is given, much shall be required.'
It mirrors the Islamic belief that those who've been blessed have an
obligation to use those blessings to help others, or the Jewish
doctrine of moderation and consideration for others."
---
Do you think the government is be 'obligated' to feed the poor,
provide housing and health care ... because their religious doctrine
says we should?

a prime example of why we must keep religion out of the government.
let'em fund their own charities w/o our tax dollars.

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Donald Trump Was Right the First Time, Pink Slip Mittens said "You're Fired", Too.

Donald Trump Was Right the First Time
Feb 2, 2012 | By ThinkProgress War Room

Who Will They Fire Next?

Today, the Republican presidential campaign became an even bigger
circus as the nation's premiere birther, Donald Trump, stepped into
the ring to endorse another person with a self-professed love of
firing people: Mitt Romney. Before he decided to endorse him, however,
Donald Trump said a few things about Romney that were pretty spot on.

ThinkProgress' Alex Seitz-Wald has the rundown:

– Trump told Daily Beast columnist Meghan McCain that Romney is "going
to lose" because he can't connect with voters. "No, he's going to
lose. He doesn't resonate, you know? Or he would have won last time,
in all fairness to your father! He was scheduled to win last time, and
he didn't because your father outdid him. You understand. I watched
[Romney] make a speech, and it was all these little trivial
statements."

– Trump told CNN that Romney killed jobs at Bain Capital. "Mitt Romney
is basically a small business guy." "He walked away with some money
from a very good company that he didn't create. He worked there, he
didn't create. He would buy companies, he'd close companies, he'd get
rid of jobs."

– Trump slammed Romney's record as governor on ABC. "If you look at
his record as governor, it wasn't totally stellar. His job production
was not great at all. In fact, it was the third worst in the nation.
There are some pretty negative things with respect to Mitt Romney,
which frankly he's going to have to overcome."

– Trump chided Romney's $10,000 bet. "I don't talk about how rich I
am. Other people do. I don't want to talk about how rich I am."

– When Romney turned down Trump's debate, Trump was not happy. "I was
particularly surprised with Mitt Romney because he wants my
endorsement very badly."

And when the two met at the Trump Tower in September, Romney snuck out
to avoid a photo-op and both were conspicuously tepid in their praise
for each other afterward. "It was a nice meeting," Trump told the New
York Daily News.


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Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
Have a great day,
Tommy

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Have a great day,
Tommy

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