Thursday, January 5, 2012

Re: A stupendous article by Paul Hollrah that explains the swamp aka D.C.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/saywhat.asp

Wall Street melt-downs? Banking industry bailouts? Hedge fund hanky-
panky?
Multi-million dollar Wall Street bonuses? Collapse of the dollar?
National
debt default? Economic collapse?
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call a dem or repub for a bailout ... their ability to take from
Americans is limitless

On Jan 3, 3:51 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This fits right in with the "Repo Man" article.
>
>  http://newmediajournal.us/indx.php/item/4050
>
> *What Every American Should Know*
>
> Paul R. Hollrah
> January 3, 2012
>
> Wall Street melt-downs? Banking industry bailouts? Hedge fund hanky-panky?
> Multi-million dollar Wall Street bonuses? Collapse of the dollar? National
> debt default? Economic collapse? Who can possibly make sense of it all? How
> did it happen, and who's to blame? Did George W. Bush create the mess and
> leave it for Obama to clean up, or were Democrats to blame all along and
> Obama was just too incompetent to know what to do about it? What is the
> truth of all this?
>
> Now that the Securities & Exchange Commission is finally pursuing
> wrongdoing at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, it's time the American people
> knew the root causes of our current economic difficulties. We all need to
> have a basic understanding of the mess...one that will allow us to explain
> it to our Democrat friends in terms that even they can understand.
>
> First, it must be said that the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), a Carter
> administration initiative, was not a totally bad idea. It encouraged
> lenders to make loans to qualified borrowers who had previously been denied
> solely on the basis of the color of their skin. The CRA was intended to
> reduce or eliminate a practice known as "redlining," in which realtors and
> lenders discriminated against potential buyers in low-income and depressed
> neighborhoods, approving home loans for lower-income whites but not for
> middle or upper-income blacks.
>
> Throughout the Reagan and Bush (41) years, between 1981 and 1993, the CRA
> was enforced in a straightforward manner. Lenders were encouraged to
> abandon the "redlining" practice and to meet the credit needs of all
> members of the community, consistent with sound lending practices.
>
> However, when Democrats regained control of the White House in 1993, in the
> person of Bill Clinton, Democrats began to act like Democrats. They decided
> that the CRA, if strategically enforced with a political end in mind,
> provided a unique opportunity to purchase the votes of those at the lower
> end of the economic ladder.
>
> Under the Clinton administration, regulators paid particularly close
> attention to the lending practices of banks and savings & loan
> associations. In other words, were lenders meeting the credit needs of all
> borrowers in their local communities, regardless of borrowers' ability to
> repay their loans? Accordingly, they began to use the results of those
> examinations to determine whether or not to approve mergers and
> acquisitions, and whether or not to approve applications for new branch
> banks. Lenders soon found that the CRA was more stick than carrot.
>
> As a result, lenders abandoned traditional lending criteria and made
> mortgage loans to almost anyone who applied, regardless of their income
> level or credit worthiness. Under normal circumstances, no prudent lender
> would ever lend money to those with little or no ability to repay, but
> these were not normal circumstances. Two of the Democratic Party's favorite
> patronage cesspools...Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac...were standing ready to
> buy up any and all mortgages. And why should Fannie and Freddie worry about
> the quality of the mortgages they bought? They had no reason to worry
> because, as quasi-public institutions, they had the cash assets of the
> American taxpayer...the U.S. Treasury...at their disposal.
>
> Here's how it worked. When a home buyer took out a home loan from a bank or
> a savings & loan association, the mortgage was then sold to what was known
> as a Government Sponsored Enterprise (GSE), i.e. Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac.
> Fannie and Freddie then bundled the loan with other sub-prime mortgages and
> sold the bundle to private investors...promising not only attractive
> returns, but a high degree of security as well. By year end 2010, Fannie
> and Freddie had acquired more than half of the $11 trillion mortgage loan
> market in the United States.
>
> However, the sale of mortgages to private investors was not a totally
> arms-length proposition because, even though Fannie and Freddie had sold
> the bundled mortgages, they continued to have a financial interest in them.
> They guaranteed the securities for the investors, promising to continue
> making payments on the mortgages even if the homeowner stopped paying. In
> 2008, when the overheated real estate market collapsed and a great many
> homeowners stopped paying all at once, the cash reserves of Fannie and
> Freddie were soon depleted, forcing them to default on their guarantees and
> precipitating a major economic crisis.
>
> One might ask, how could something like this happen directly under the
> noses of our political leaders without anyone taking notice? The fact is,
> shortly after taking office in 2001, the Bush administration did notice and
> took steps to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. What they apparently
> failed to understand was that Fannie and Freddie existed in a world of
> their own, a world in which Democrats who were either owed big favors, or
> who were being paid to keep their mouths shut for one reason or another
> were well taken care of.
>
> Among these was Franklin Raines, former Clinton White House budget
> director, who served as chairman and chief executive officer of Fannie Mae.
> Raines took "early retirement" from Fannie Mae on December 21, 2004 after
> the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) accused him of
> participating in widespread accounting irregularities, including the
> shifting of losses so that senior Fannie Mae executives could earn large
> bonuses. Some $90 million was paid to Raines based on overstated
> earnings...earnings initially reported at $9 billion but later found to be
> in the neighborhood of $6.3 billion.
>
> Tim Howard, Chief Financial Officer under Raines, is a former Senior
> Economic Advisor to Barack Obama. When Howard was terminated at Fannie Mae
> he walked away with a "golden parachute" reported to be worth approximately
> $20 million.
>
> Jim Johnson, a former Lehman Brothers executive who headed Obama's vice
> presidential search committee, is also a former Fannie Mae CEO who was
> forced to resign. Johnson's 1998 Fannie Mae compensation was reported at
> between $6-7 million. In truth, it was $21 million.
>
> And last, but not least, we have former Deputy Attorney General in the
> Clinton administration, Jamie Gorelick, the woman who erected the infamous
> "Gorelick Wall" which prevented the CIA and the FBI from sharing
> intelligence that could have prevented the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade
> Center and the Pentagon. After leaving the Justice Department she
> resurfaced as Vice Chairman of Fannie Mae from 1997 to 2003. And although
> she had no training or experience in finance, whatsoever, during the six
> years she worked at Fannie Mae she earned over $26 million.
>
> While serving as Vice Chairman of Fannie Mae, Gorelick participated in the
> development of an accounting scheme which allowed Fannie's Mae's top
> executives – whose bonuses were tied to earnings-per-share – to meet the
> target for maximum bonus payouts. For example, in 1998 the target earnings
> for maximum bonus payout at Fannie Mae was $3.23 per share. Fannie Mae
> reported earnings of exactly $3.2309. (Don't you just hate it when that
> happens?)
>
> So how was this arranged? Because of lower interest rates in 1998, Fannie
> Mae found itself facing an extraordinary expense estimated at $400 million.
> Johnson, Franklin, and Gorelick decided to recognize only $200 million of
> the $400 million expense, deferring the remainder to the next fiscal year.
> This fortuitous "coincidence" resulted in maximum bonus payouts: $1.932
> million to then-CEO Jim Johnson, $1.19 million to CEO-designate Franklin
> Raines, and $779,625 to accounting whiz Jamie Gorelick.
>
> Democrats do have an uncanny way of taking care of their own.
>
> In the 2 years and 11 months that Barack Obama has been in office,
> Democrats have waged an uninterrupted and unabashed attack on George W.
> Bush, insisting that he did nothing to forestall the Fannie and Freddie
> disasters that we now face. However, the facts are these: The Bush
> administration warned Congress of impending insolvency at Fannie Mae and
> Freddie Mac in April 2001, May 2002, November 2003, February 2004, August
> 2007, December 2007, March 2008, April 2008, May 2008, and June 2008. In
> addition, officials of the Bush administration testified before Congress,
> calling for reform of Fannie and Freddie, in September 2003, June 2004,
> April 2005, and February 2008.
>
> In each instance, their warnings were either ignored or were subjected to
> strong push-back from leading Democrats, who charged Republicans with
> opposing home ownership by the poor and minorities. In each instance, the
> principal push-back came from Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT), Chairman of the
> Securities and Investment Subcommittee of the Senate Banking Committee, the
> recipient of major "sweetheart" loans from now-defunct Countrywide
> Financial Corporation; and Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), Ranking Member of the
> Housing and Community Opportunity Subcommittee of the House Financial
> Services Committee. Not surprisingly, one of Frank's homosexual partners,
> Herb Moses, was a high-ranking official of Fannie Mae at a time when he and
> Frank played house together on Capitol Hill.
>
> In short, the financial crisis that our country now faces is exclusively
> the product of Democratic political excess. It is further proof that, when
> government interferes in the private economy in order to guarantee what
> liberals and Democrats see as "fairness" and "equal outcomes," the
> unintended consequences are always predictable, but never pretty. What
> would be pretty would be to see Christopher Dodd, Barney Frank, Franklin
> Raines, Jim Johnson, Jamie Gorelick, and other Obama cronies being led away
> in handcuffs. The current charges being investigated by the Securities &
> Exchange Commission are a good beginning.

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Re: Yes, @WordPress is Shutting Down Bare Naked Islam’s Site

Yep.....Until it's in your front yard, or your neighbor's front
yard
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not even then will I defend zionists ... as they are something other
than Americans willing to sacrifice our soldiers for another nation

enjoy your religious war

On Jan 3, 7:35 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep.....Until it's in your front yard,  or your neighbor's front
> yard......Typical misinformed Ron Paul Supporter.....Everything
> Changes.....Nothing Changes.......
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:05 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > watching muzzies and zionists fight it out is fun!
>
> > On Jan 3, 10:49 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > **
> > >            New post on *Creeping Sharia*
> > > <http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/author/creeping/>  Yes, @WordPress
> > is
> > > Shutting Down Bare Naked Islam's
> > > Site<
> >http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/wordpress-shuts-down-b..
> > .>by
> > > creeping <http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/author/creeping/>
>
> > > This is somewhat well publicized by now but below includes an interview
> > > with BNI. Yes we are also hosted on WordPress and have not had any issues
> > > yet. We also know that WordPress has also shut down numerous jihadi blogs
> > > so remember that it works both ways. Find the pro-jihad websites that
> > > WordPress hosts in [...]
>
> > > Read more of this
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Re: The Greatness of Ron Paul

yeah, you prefer zionist warmongers and mentally challenged liars like
Ronald "I Can't Recall" Reagan.

how many children have you sacrificed for the animals in the middle
east?

On Jan 3, 8:52 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am literally laughing out loud!  "The Greatness of Ron Paul"?
>
> Put the crack rock pipe down MJ.....I didn't even get to the author, much
> less the article....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:17 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > *The Greatness of Ron Paul
> > **By introducing moral imagination to the foreign-policy conversation,
> > the Republican candidate is doing the nation an important service.
> > *By Robert Wright
> > Jan 3 2012, 5:59 PM ET
>
> > A dispute has broken out<http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/01/is-ron-paul-setting-b...>among fans of Ron Paul's non-interventionist foreign policy about whether
> > he's a strategic liability. Paul, says<http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/01/crackpots-messengers>Kevin Drum, is such a "toxic, far-right, crackpot messenger" that "the only
> > thing he's accomplishing is to make non-interventionism even more of a
> > fringe view in American politics than it already is."
>
> > It's certainly true that Paul's hawkish critics are using his weirder
> > ideas and checkered past to try and make non-interventionism synonymous
> > with creepiness. But, whatever their success,  Paul is making one
> > contribution to the foreign policy debate that could have enduring value.
>
> > It doesn't lie in the substance of his foreign policy views (which I'm
> > largely but not wholly in sympathy with) but in the way he explains them.
> > Paul routinely performs a simple thought experiment: He tries to imagine
> > how the world looks to people *other than Americans*.
>
> > This is such a radical departure from the prevailing American mindset that
> > some of Paul's critics see it as more evidence of his weirdness. A video
> > montage <http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/01/diss-1.html>meant to discredit him shows him taking the perspective of Iran. After
> > observing that Israel and America and China have nukes, he asks about
> > Iranians, "Why wouldn't it be natural that they'd want a weapon?
> > Internationally they'd be given more respect."
>
> > Can somebody explain to me why this is such a crazy conjecture about
> > Iranian motivation? Wouldn't it be reasonable for Iranian leaders, having
> > seen what happened to nukeless Saddam Hussein and nukeless Muammar Qaddafi,
> > to conclude that maybe having a nuclear weapon would get them more
> > respectful treatment?
>
> > Paul's error is clear: He's departed from approved
> > Republican-presidential-candidate talking points, according to which the
> > only explanation for an Iranian nuclear program is a desire to destroy
> > Israel. (Even Jon Huntsman, supposedly one of the more sensible Republicans
> > on foreign policy, seems to be a slave to the talking points: It's the
> > Huntsman campaign that created the video montage in question!)
>
> > A favorite Paul pedagogical device is to analogize foreign situations to
> > American ones. A campaign ad<http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/12/ron-pauls-in-our-...>promoted by a Paul-supporting super PAC begins by asking us to imagine
> > Russian or Chinese troops in Texas. The point is that this is how our
> > occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan look to locals.
>
> > I've long thought that the biggest single problem in the world is the
> > failure of "moral imagination"--the inability or unwillingness of people to
> > see things from the perspective of people in circumstances different from
> > their own. Especially incendiary is the failure to extend moral imagination
> > across national, religious, or ethnic borders.
>
> > If a lack of moral imagination is indeed the core problem with America's
> > foreign policy, and Ron Paul is unique among presidential candidates in
> > trying to fight it, I think you have to say he's doing something great,
> > notwithstanding the many non-great and opposite-of-great things about him
> > (and notwithstanding the fact that he has in the past failed to extend
> > moral imagination across all possible borders).
>
> > Paul's hawkish detractors may succeed in using him to taint a
> > non-interventionist foreign policy. Even so, if in the meanwhile Paul gets
> > enough people exercising their moral imaginations, maybe doves will get the
> > last laugh.
>
> >http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/the-greatness-of-...
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Re: Comparing Candidates

By the way, your "Neo-Con" pal
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I don't have neocon pals as they are something other than American.

On Jan 3, 9:00 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By the way, your "Neo-Con" pal,  'Billy Crystal' is on FOX News right
> now......
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Do you remember Birch Bayh?  "Scoop" Jackson?
>
> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> Wo ist der PlainOl tonight?
>
> >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:59 PM, plainolamerican <
> >> plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> the ACLU has been infiltrated with
> >>> Anti-American/Socialist/Communist ideologues
> >>> ---
> >>> it started off as anti-american, socialist, and communist
>
> >>> know the enemy
>
> >>> On Jan 3, 10:56 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > How sad that the ACLU has been infiltrated with
> >>> > Anti-American/Socialist/Communist ideologues.
>
> >>> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>> > > --
>
> >>> > > The ACLU's candidate report card:
>
> >>> > >http://www.aclulibertywatch.org/blog_romero_20111230.html
>
> >>> > > Gary Johnson finishes first, then Paul, then Obama, then Hunstman.
>
> >>> > > As James Taranto points out, the group gave Obama more torches than
> >>> he
> >>> > > deserves on gay marriage. And as Radley Balko points out, Johnson and
> >>> > > Paul would be even further in the lead if the drug war and the death
> >>> > > penalty were included in the scores.
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Re: GOP Establishment wrong to ‘disenfranchise’ Ron Paul supporters

he does have his supporters, and they do need to be respected by
the GOP a heckuva lot more than they have been
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as long as the rest of the republican candidates support bombing iran,
funding and protecting israel, and bailing out wall street I'll vote
for somebody else ... preferably RP, the only non-interventionist in
the GOP who will put the federal reserve into the hands of Americans,
pull US troops out of every corner of the planet, and enforce our
immigration laws

On Jan 3, 11:25 pm, Perplexed <openlyincogn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, I know that those three sentences
> that were written in the "first person" and attributed to Paul are
> horrendous...but then are they really untrue or just said in a bad
> way??
>
> These are not, at least to me, disqualifying statements even if they
> are
> his actual feelings.
> ----------------------
>
> No, they're not disqualifying for me either.  To be honest, the
> biggest problem I have with Ron Paul is his age; sorry but he is
> simply too old to be elected IMO.
>
> And he rambles on and on about doing stuff he surely knows he will
> have no power or support for doing - like eliminating all foreign
> aid.  And denying that Iran getting nukes would be a problem - also
> nuts.
>
> But he does have his supporters, and they do need to be respected by
> the GOP a heckuva lot more than they have been.
>
> On Dec 31 2011, 12:10 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The big difference that I can see between the candidates is
> > that Paul's positions and "transgressions" are indeed and actually
> > factually defensible.... It is kind of like you and I being held
> > responsible for what is posted here. Yes, I know that those three sentences
> > that were written in the "first person" and attributed to Paul are
> > horrendous...but then are they really untrue or just said in a bad way??
>
> > These are not, at least to me, disqualifying statements even if they are
> > his actual feelings.
>
> > His stance on a return to constitutionality is extremely important to me
> > and the longer he stays in this the better chance that SOME of his points
> > will stick and become part of the platform.
>
> > On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > Good Morning Perp and Mark!
>
> > > I agree with both of you......Sorta.......
>
> > > I am one that believes the Republican candidates should adhere to the
> > > Republican 11th Commandment:  "*Thou shalt not speak ill of fellow
> > > conservatives*".   Ron Paul broke this rule in Iowa, as he blasted both
> > > Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney in Iowa with false, misleading and
> > > prevaricate commercials.   We've seen Paul's legions here in PF  inundate
> > > the board with many of these false assertions.  (*See* MJ and PlainOl).
>
> > > Just as important,  for months, the Paul supporters all had their panties
> > > in a wad,  claiming that the media was ignoring Paul; that Paul wasn't
> > > getting his fair share of press coverage.   Well, once Paul's numbers went
> > > up in Iowa,  the press did in fact start covering Paul, and the light got a
> > > little brighter on Paul's past record.  Just as it did on Gingrich and
> > > other candidates who have been raked over the coals by pundits;  (*See*John Sununu,  Ann Coulter,  Glenn Beck, and a number of pseudo RINO
> > > assholes who are in Romney's camp and who have attacked Gingrich
> > > unmercifully and unfairly).  You don't see Gingrich supporters crying like
> > > women, the way that Paul supporters are crying!  I was listening to Rush
> > > Limbaugh and several other talk show hosts yesterday, and the barrage of
> > > Paul supporters crying foul was unbelievable!
>
> > > The truth is Paul has a number of skeletons in his closet and his legions
> > > of crackpot supporters are now pissed that the truth is coming out about
> > > Crazy Uncle Ron.
>
> > > Paul is not electable on a national scale,  but as both of you pointed
> > > out,  *IF*  Paul chooses to break away and run as a third party
> > > candidate,  it will no doubt cost the Republicans the election, and we will
> > > see another four years of socialist/communist presidential directives and
> > > executive orders, of which our Nation may not be able to recover.
>
> > > I trust that Paul has enough sense and wisdom to know that his running as
> > > a third party candidate will do serious damage to our Nation and that his
> > > candidacy would be an open ticket to a second Obama Administration.
>
> > > I'm all for throwing Paul a bone.....Give him a prominent night for a
> > > speech at the Convention here in Tampa in August, and I would whole
> > > heartedly support "Secretary Of The Treasury Paul".
>
> > > On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 9:39 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > >> Perplexed has it right... if he cuts and runs as an independent Obama
> > >> will win... he has 15% of the vote in his pocket.
>
> > >> On Dec 31, 7:35 am, Perplexed <openlyincogn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> > Keith, I agree with you that a lot of his views are those of a
> > >> > crackpot.  But I noticed yesterday watching some discussion on one of
> > >> > the Fox News shows that the pundits are being downright stupid in how
> > >> > they are stepping up the talking points of "he's not electable".  To
> > >> > say he couldn't win in a general election is likely very true, but
> > >> > that's not what they were doing.  The person actually referred to his
> > >> > candidacy as a "joke".
>
> > >> > Personally I think that kind of nonsense will backfire and encourage
> > >> > Paul to run as an independent and republicans can kiss any chance of
> > >> > defeating Obama good-bye.  These ignorant assholes who make up the
> > >> > "GOP establishment" and their mouthpieces in the media are apparently
> > >> > too stupid to realize they should be respectful and leave room to
> > >> > encourage Paul to join whoever the eventual nominee is - because
> > >> > without him AND his supporters voting for whoever that is, republicans
> > >> > stand no chance of winning, and that's just a fact.
>
> > >> > On Dec 31, 12:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 11:00 PM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > Posted on Thu, Dec. 29, 2011
> > >> > > > *GOP Establishment wrong to 'disenfranchise' Ron Paul supporters
> > >> > > > *BY COLIN MCINTOSH
>
> > >> > > > Don't tread on me.
>
> > >> > > > Recently, something's been amiss in the mainstream media when
> > >> discussing
> > >> > > > Ron Paul's candidacy. As the Texas congressman's support has surged
> > >> to 15
> > >> > > > percent nationally in the latest Washington Post poll, the "Very
> > >> Serious
> > >> > > > Republicans" who write columns and give their opinions on TV and
> > >> radio
> > >> > > > shows have changed their tune. They aren't as confident, as cocky
> > >> or as
> > >> > > > arrogant as they used to be when predicting the 2012 presidential
> > >> election.
>
> > >> > > > Now, they sound scared; they sound nervous; they sound shaken. But
> > >> most
> > >> > > > important, they sound resolute that they, and not their audience,
> > >> represent
> > >> > > > the opinions of mainstream America. They are wrong, and their
> > >> gamble will
> > >> > > > be costly.
>
> > >> > > > In the absence of facts to support the Establishment candidates,
> > >> the media
> > >> > > > have turned to personal insults, childish mockery, and deliberate
> > >> > > > misinterpretation of Dr. Paul's lessons. Their goal, quite
> > >> shamefully, is
> > >> > > > to convince Ron Paul supporters that the candidate that they
> > >> believe in has
> > >> > > > no chance of winning the nomination, let alone the general
> > >> election. Here
> > >> > > > are some recent headlines from around the web: "Huckabee slams Ron
> > >> Paul,
> > >> > > > says he has 'no chance' to win Republican nomination"­ The Hill
> > >> "Ron Paul
> > >> > > > can't be allowed to win Iowa" ­ Daily Caller "Why Ron Paul Can't
> > >> Win" ­
> > >> > > > Wall Street Journal "If Ron Paul wins Iowa, does that make the state
> > >> > > > irrelevant?"­ Christian Science Monitor
>
> > >> > > > This type of overt pressure from our media to change your vote
> > >> because
> > >> > > > "your candidate can't win" constitutes a form of disenfranchisement.
> > >> > > > Despite Paul's rise to the front of the pack in Iowa, the media
> > >> still
> > >> > > > ignore that his national support from Republicans has risen from 9
> > >> percent
> > >> > > > to 15 percent in a month (Washington Post/ABC poll, Dec. 18). They
> > >> refuse
> > >> > > > to report the fact that he would lose only by 49-44 in a
> > >> hypothetical race
> > >> > > > against Obama, down from 52-42 just one month ago.
>
> > >> > > > They will never tell us that 21 percent of Americans polled chose
> > >> to vote
> > >> > > > for Ron Paul as a third party candidate over the hypothetical
> > >> choices of
> > >> > > > President Obama or Romney/Gingrich.
>
> > >> > > > This last statistic leads me to my main point: if the GOP nominates
> > >> anyone
> > >> > > > besides Ron Paul, Barack Obama will win the 2012 election.
>
> > >> > > > Why?
>
> > >> > > > Currently, Establishment Republicans are issuing an obvious warning
> > >> to
> > >> > > > Paul's base: vote for Romney, or the Democrats will win in November.
> > >> > > > Clearly, they hope this ominous bit of advice also reaches the
> > >> millions of
> > >> > > > Americans who are still learning about Ron Paul's views. Well, Dr.
> > >> Paul's
> > >> > > > supporters have a retort: we don't give a damn.
>
> > >> > > > There are worse things than having a Democrat in the White House,
> > >> and
> > >> > > > disenfranchisement is among them. We will not vote for whom we are
> > >> told. We
> > >> > > > will not vote for a candidate who espouses a policy of preemptive
> > >> war. We
> > >> > > > will not vote for the continuation of a flawed, costly,
> > >> discriminatory drug
> > >> > > > war. We will not vote for the circumnavigation of the U.S.
> > >> Constitution. We
> > >> > > > will not vote for a candidate (Romney) who has received just 10
> > >> percent of
> > >> > > > his campaign donations from actual people (from opensecrets.org).
> > >> And we
> > >> > > > will not feel remorse for a Republican Party that has abandoned us.
>
> > >> > > > I am a registered Republican, but when I listen to my so-called
> > >> party
> > >> > > > leaders, I become infuriated and despondent. When did
>
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>
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