Re: Our founding fathers were dominionist!

We have a specific purpose and especially one in helping prepare the
way
for the Lord, I just don't believe His dominion can come to the earth
until He comes.
---
your belief in a mythical god has been noted.
your comments reveal that you are no doubt a zionist supporter ...
fund your own charities and leave our government out of your religious
goals

On Sep 27, 4:20 pm, USA Lover <steveo.nor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick Joyner of The Oak Initiative and MorningStar Ministries dedicated
> yesterday's edition of Prophetic Perspectives to distancing himself
> from dominion theology while discussing the ties between presidential
> candidates like Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann to avowed
> dominionists. Joyner said he agreed with much of the dominionist
> objective of having fundamentalist Christians influence — if not
> control — government and society at large, but noted that he does not
> share dominionists' belief that such 'dominion' will usher in the End
> Times and the Second Coming of Christ. "I just don't believe His
> dominion can come to the earth until He comes," Joyner said, "and
> that's the one defining point of a dominonist to me."
>
> As Sarah Leslie of the Discernment Research Group points out, Joyner
> once said that the "Kingdom of God" he hopes to build "may seem like
> totalitarianism" at first because "the kingdom will start out
> necessarily authoritative in many ways, or in many areas, but will
> move toward increasing liberty" once the culture is radically changed.
>
> But Joyner pointed to one group who he claims did subscribe to
> dominion theology: the Founding Fathers. According to Joyner, the
> Founders would have been known as dominionists because they wanted to
> "establish a government that was built on biblical principles" and
> "really thought they were building the Kingdom of God." He went on to
> blame dominion theology for Manifest Destiny and other "really foul
> things" in U.S. history. Joyner mentioned that secular reporters are
> increasingly studying dominionism and are "terrified by it and they're
> wondering if this presidential candidate is influenced by this kind of
> thinking," adding, "as a Christian, I would be alarmed by some of
> that."
>
> Watch:
>
> To a large degree our nation, America, was built on or by those whole
> held to dominion theology. Most of the Founding Fathers were devoted
> Christians, this is really you would have to call them dominionists.
> Now it drove them to try to build and establish a government that was
> built on biblical principles because they really thought they were
> building the Kingdom of God here. Now I don't believe America is the
> Kingdom of God and I don't believe it ever will be, it's not the New
> Jerusalem, but I believe we have a purpose like many nations do. We
> have a specific purpose and especially one in helping prepare the way
> for the Lord, I just don't believe His dominion can come to the earth
> until He comes. I have always believed that and I hold to that, and
> that's the one defining point of a dominonist to me.
>
> You can cross over into some areas that are not good and not have good
> results. And I think some of the things that manifested later through
> our government, in America, some of the really foul things that
> happened had their roots in the false teaching that was included in
> the dominion theology, the wrong teachings that really went awry. I'm
> talking about some aspects of the Manifest Destiny that was used to
> almost try to eradicate the Native Americans, some of that was rooted
> in dominion theology, and there are some secular people, secular
> reporters who studied this and looked at that and they see the
> connection and they're terrified by it and they're wondering if this
> presidential candidate is influenced by this kind of thinking, is this
> what we're going to get? Listen, as a Christian, I would be alarmed by
> some of that.

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Re: Our founding fathers were dominionist!

The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "not in
any sense founded on the Christian religion" (see the image on the
right ( http://freethought.mbdojo.com/titleXI.jpg ). This was not an
idle statement meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant
it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington
and signed under the presidency of John Adams.

On Sep 27, 3:20 pm, USA Lover <steveo.nor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick Joyner of The Oak Initiative and MorningStar Ministries dedicated
> yesterday's edition of Prophetic Perspectives to distancing himself
> from dominion theology while discussing the ties between presidential
> candidates like Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann to avowed
> dominionists. Joyner said he agreed with much of the dominionist
> objective of having fundamentalist Christians influence — if not
> control — government and society at large, but noted that he does not
> share dominionists' belief that such 'dominion' will usher in the End
> Times and the Second Coming of Christ. "I just don't believe His
> dominion can come to the earth until He comes," Joyner said, "and
> that's the one defining point of a dominonist to me."
>
> As Sarah Leslie of the Discernment Research Group points out, Joyner
> once said that the "Kingdom of God" he hopes to build "may seem like
> totalitarianism" at first because "the kingdom will start out
> necessarily authoritative in many ways, or in many areas, but will
> move toward increasing liberty" once the culture is radically changed.
>
> But Joyner pointed to one group who he claims did subscribe to
> dominion theology: the Founding Fathers. According to Joyner, the
> Founders would have been known as dominionists because they wanted to
> "establish a government that was built on biblical principles" and
> "really thought they were building the Kingdom of God." He went on to
> blame dominion theology for Manifest Destiny and other "really foul
> things" in U.S. history. Joyner mentioned that secular reporters are
> increasingly studying dominionism and are "terrified by it and they're
> wondering if this presidential candidate is influenced by this kind of
> thinking," adding, "as a Christian, I would be alarmed by some of
> that."
>
> Watch:
>
> To a large degree our nation, America, was built on or by those whole
> held to dominion theology. Most of the Founding Fathers were devoted
> Christians, this is really you would have to call them dominionists.
> Now it drove them to try to build and establish a government that was
> built on biblical principles because they really thought they were
> building the Kingdom of God here. Now I don't believe America is the
> Kingdom of God and I don't believe it ever will be, it's not the New
> Jerusalem, but I believe we have a purpose like many nations do. We
> have a specific purpose and especially one in helping prepare the way
> for the Lord, I just don't believe His dominion can come to the earth
> until He comes. I have always believed that and I hold to that, and
> that's the one defining point of a dominonist to me.
>
> You can cross over into some areas that are not good and not have good
> results. And I think some of the things that manifested later through
> our government, in America, some of the really foul things that
> happened had their roots in the false teaching that was included in
> the dominion theology, the wrong teachings that really went awry. I'm
> talking about some aspects of the Manifest Destiny that was used to
> almost try to eradicate the Native Americans, some of that was rooted
> in dominion theology, and there are some secular people, secular
> reporters who studied this and looked at that and they see the
> connection and they're terrified by it and they're wondering if this
> presidential candidate is influenced by this kind of thinking, is this
> what we're going to get? Listen, as a Christian, I would be alarmed by
> some of that.

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Re: Our founding fathers were dominionist!

On Sep 27, 3:20 pm, USA Lover <steveo.nor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick Joyner of The Oak Initiative and MorningStar Ministries dedicated
> yesterday's edition of Prophetic Perspectives to distancing himself
> from dominion theology while discussing the ties between presidential
> candidates like Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann to avowed
> dominionists. Joyner said he agreed with much of the dominionist
> objective of having fundamentalist Christians influence — if not
> control — government and society at large, but noted that he does not
> share dominionists' belief that such 'dominion' will usher in the End
> Times and the Second Coming of Christ. "I just don't believe His
> dominion can come to the earth until He comes," Joyner said, "and
> that's the one defining point of a dominonist to me."
>
> As Sarah Leslie of the Discernment Research Group points out, Joyner
> once said that the "Kingdom of God" he hopes to build "may seem like
> totalitarianism" at first because "the kingdom will start out
> necessarily authoritative in many ways, or in many areas, but will
> move toward increasing liberty" once the culture is radically changed.
>
> But Joyner pointed to one group who he claims did subscribe to
> dominion theology: the Founding Fathers. According to Joyner, the
> Founders would have been known as dominionists because they wanted to
> "establish a government that was built on biblical principles" and
> "really thought they were building the Kingdom of God." He went on to
> blame dominion theology for Manifest Destiny and other "really foul
> things" in U.S. history. Joyner mentioned that secular reporters are
> increasingly studying dominionism and are "terrified by it and they're
> wondering if this presidential candidate is influenced by this kind of
> thinking," adding, "as a Christian, I would be alarmed by some of
> that."
>
> Watch:
>
> To a large degree our nation, America, was built on or by those whole
> held to dominion theology. Most of the Founding Fathers were devoted
> Christians, this is really you would have to call them dominionists.
> Now it drove them to try to build and establish a government that was
> built on biblical principles because they really thought they were
> building the Kingdom of God here. Now I don't believe America is the
> Kingdom of God and I don't believe it ever will be, it's not the New
> Jerusalem, but I believe we have a purpose like many nations do. We
> have a specific purpose and especially one in helping prepare the way
> for the Lord, I just don't believe His dominion can come to the earth
> until He comes. I have always believed that and I hold to that, and
> that's the one defining point of a dominonist to me.
>
> You can cross over into some areas that are not good and not have good
> results. And I think some of the things that manifested later through
> our government, in America, some of the really foul things that
> happened had their roots in the false teaching that was included in
> the dominion theology, the wrong teachings that really went awry. I'm
> talking about some aspects of the Manifest Destiny that was used to
> almost try to eradicate the Native Americans, some of that was rooted
> in dominion theology, and there are some secular people, secular
> reporters who studied this and looked at that and they see the
> connection and they're terrified by it and they're wondering if this
> presidential candidate is influenced by this kind of thinking, is this
> what we're going to get? Listen, as a Christian, I would be alarmed by
> some of that.

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Re: Our founding fathers were dominionist!

Since a couple (actually more than a few) of the most important
members of the group of founding fathers were the furthest thing from
"religious" and most certainly practiced no particular faith, the
premise of your/this argument is absolutely amiss... therefore the
conclusions are hogwash.

Just how do you think the USA ended up with the very secular
constitution it has??

Again, if the premise held ANY water... you would be living in a
constitutionally declared "Christian" nation... but it just isn't so
and NO argument can make it so.

On Sep 27, 3:20 pm, USA Lover <steveo.nor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick Joyner of The Oak Initiative and MorningStar Ministries dedicated
> yesterday's edition of Prophetic Perspectives to distancing himself
> from dominion theology while discussing the ties between presidential
> candidates like Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann to avowed
> dominionists. Joyner said he agreed with much of the dominionist
> objective of having fundamentalist Christians influence — if not
> control — government and society at large, but noted that he does not
> share dominionists' belief that such 'dominion' will usher in the End
> Times and the Second Coming of Christ. "I just don't believe His
> dominion can come to the earth until He comes," Joyner said, "and
> that's the one defining point of a dominonist to me."
>
> As Sarah Leslie of the Discernment Research Group points out, Joyner
> once said that the "Kingdom of God" he hopes to build "may seem like
> totalitarianism" at first because "the kingdom will start out
> necessarily authoritative in many ways, or in many areas, but will
> move toward increasing liberty" once the culture is radically changed.
>
> But Joyner pointed to one group who he claims did subscribe to
> dominion theology: the Founding Fathers. According to Joyner, the
> Founders would have been known as dominionists because they wanted to
> "establish a government that was built on biblical principles" and
> "really thought they were building the Kingdom of God." He went on to
> blame dominion theology for Manifest Destiny and other "really foul
> things" in U.S. history. Joyner mentioned that secular reporters are
> increasingly studying dominionism and are "terrified by it and they're
> wondering if this presidential candidate is influenced by this kind of
> thinking," adding, "as a Christian, I would be alarmed by some of
> that."
>
> Watch:
>
> To a large degree our nation, America, was built on or by those whole
> held to dominion theology. Most of the Founding Fathers were devoted
> Christians, this is really you would have to call them dominionists.
> Now it drove them to try to build and establish a government that was
> built on biblical principles because they really thought they were
> building the Kingdom of God here. Now I don't believe America is the
> Kingdom of God and I don't believe it ever will be, it's not the New
> Jerusalem, but I believe we have a purpose like many nations do. We
> have a specific purpose and especially one in helping prepare the way
> for the Lord, I just don't believe His dominion can come to the earth
> until He comes. I have always believed that and I hold to that, and
> that's the one defining point of a dominonist to me.
>
> You can cross over into some areas that are not good and not have good
> results. And I think some of the things that manifested later through
> our government, in America, some of the really foul things that
> happened had their roots in the false teaching that was included in
> the dominion theology, the wrong teachings that really went awry. I'm
> talking about some aspects of the Manifest Destiny that was used to
> almost try to eradicate the Native Americans, some of that was rooted
> in dominion theology, and there are some secular people, secular
> reporters who studied this and looked at that and they see the
> connection and they're terrified by it and they're wondering if this
> presidential candidate is influenced by this kind of thinking, is this
> what we're going to get? Listen, as a Christian, I would be alarmed by
> some of that.

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Our founding fathers were dominionist!

Rick Joyner of The Oak Initiative and MorningStar Ministries dedicated
yesterday's edition of Prophetic Perspectives to distancing himself
from dominion theology while discussing the ties between presidential
candidates like Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann to avowed
dominionists. Joyner said he agreed with much of the dominionist
objective of having fundamentalist Christians influence — if not
control — government and society at large, but noted that he does not
share dominionists' belief that such 'dominion' will usher in the End
Times and the Second Coming of Christ. "I just don't believe His
dominion can come to the earth until He comes," Joyner said, "and
that's the one defining point of a dominonist to me."

As Sarah Leslie of the Discernment Research Group points out, Joyner
once said that the "Kingdom of God" he hopes to build "may seem like
totalitarianism" at first because "the kingdom will start out
necessarily authoritative in many ways, or in many areas, but will
move toward increasing liberty" once the culture is radically changed.

But Joyner pointed to one group who he claims did subscribe to
dominion theology: the Founding Fathers. According to Joyner, the
Founders would have been known as dominionists because they wanted to
"establish a government that was built on biblical principles" and
"really thought they were building the Kingdom of God." He went on to
blame dominion theology for Manifest Destiny and other "really foul
things" in U.S. history. Joyner mentioned that secular reporters are
increasingly studying dominionism and are "terrified by it and they're
wondering if this presidential candidate is influenced by this kind of
thinking," adding, "as a Christian, I would be alarmed by some of
that."

Watch:

To a large degree our nation, America, was built on or by those whole
held to dominion theology. Most of the Founding Fathers were devoted
Christians, this is really you would have to call them dominionists.
Now it drove them to try to build and establish a government that was
built on biblical principles because they really thought they were
building the Kingdom of God here. Now I don't believe America is the
Kingdom of God and I don't believe it ever will be, it's not the New
Jerusalem, but I believe we have a purpose like many nations do. We
have a specific purpose and especially one in helping prepare the way
for the Lord, I just don't believe His dominion can come to the earth
until He comes. I have always believed that and I hold to that, and
that's the one defining point of a dominonist to me.

You can cross over into some areas that are not good and not have good
results. And I think some of the things that manifested later through
our government, in America, some of the really foul things that
happened had their roots in the false teaching that was included in
the dominion theology, the wrong teachings that really went awry. I'm
talking about some aspects of the Manifest Destiny that was used to
almost try to eradicate the Native Americans, some of that was rooted
in dominion theology, and there are some secular people, secular
reporters who studied this and looked at that and they see the
connection and they're terrified by it and they're wondering if this
presidential candidate is influenced by this kind of thinking, is this
what we're going to get? Listen, as a Christian, I would be alarmed by
some of that.

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