Friday, August 19, 2011

Re: Who Schooled Whom?

Mohammad Mosaddegh or Mosaddeq (Persian: محمد مصدّق, IPA: [mohæmˈmæd(-e) mosædˈdeɣ] ( listen)*), also Mossadegh, Mossadeq, Mosadeck, or Musaddiq (16 June 1882 – 5 March 1967), was the democratically elected[1][2][3] Prime Minister of Iran from 1951 to 1953 when he was overthrown in a coup d'état orchestrated by the United States Central Intelligence Agency.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
1.   I don't remember who said in an earlier thread that there was a democratically elected government in Iran in 1953, that is incorrect.
 
2.    There was an attempt to nationalize the oil industry in Iran in the early 1950s, as well as a threat of a communist takeover of the Nation by Soviet backed political groups withn Iran.   Once again, See The Truman Doctrine. 
 
3.    There was in fact an Iranian military in 1953,  (and prior to that also)  to include an Iranian Navy, Army and even an Air Force.  It is true that most of the Iranian Navy was destroyed in WWII, but was rebuilt especially under the Shah.  Just as important, (and what I was mainly referring to in my post above)  was that during the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, there was clearly a military.   
 
4.    Whether there was an Iranian military or not, the logistics of the area is what is critical.  Today,  the Iranians can pretty much end Persian Gulf oil shipments, by closing down the Persian Gulf. 
 
 
 


 
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
The US had no investment in  oil in the 1950's a few corporations did. Iran had no naval or armed forces to speak of in the 1950's nor did any other country in the area. Egypt, who had and has no oil had the cat by the tail... the Suez... and they closed it by sinking a few ships in it due to undue western "influence" over oil in the area. 

There is never anything prudent about interfering in the internal policies of another nation over oil. Iraq who produces more and exports more oil than Iran then and again now was shut down for 8 years with little to no effect on the price of oil and the US ended up with squat... including the mysterious WMDs.


The question of oil imports presented U.S. policymakers with a strategic dilemma. If what would be needed in an emergency was a rapid increase in production, oil in the ground was of little use, and even proved reserves would not be particularly helpful. The need could only be filled by spare productive capacity. Too high a level of imports would undercut such capacity by driving out all but the lowest cost producers. Moreover, reliance on imports, especially from the Middle East, was risky from a security standpoint because of the chronic instability of the region and its vulnerability to Soviet attack. However, restricting imports and encouraging the increased use of a nonrenewable resource would eventually under-mine the goal of maintaining spare productive capacity and preserving a national defense reserve.

Rising oil imports led to demands by domestic producers and the coal industry for protection against cheaper foreign oil. In contrast, the President's Materials Policy Commission, appointed by President Truman in January 1951 and headed by the chairman of the Columbia Broadcasting System, William S. Paley, had called for a policy of ensuring access to the lowest cost sources of supply wherever located. The commission's report, issued in June 1952, rejected national self-sufficiency in favor of interdependence, arguing that the United States had to be concerned about the needs of its allies for imported raw materials and about the needs of pro-Western less developed countries for markets for their products. Although the commission admitted that self-sufficiency in oil and other vital raw materials was possible, it argued that it would be very expensive, that the controls necessary to make it possible would interfere with trade, that it would undercut the goal of rebuilding and integrating western Europe and Japan under U.S. auspices, and that it would increase instability in the Third World by limiting export earnings.

Nevertheless, after attempts to implement voluntary oil import restrictions failed, the Eisenhower administration, in March 1959, imposed mandatory import quotas, with preferences given to Western Hemisphere sources. Although the Mandatory Oil Import Program (MOIP) seemed to be a victory for advocates of national self-sufficiency, the result, ironically, was to make the United States more dependent on oil imports in the long run because the restrictions meant that increases in U.S. consumption were met mainly by domestic production.

Great policies that are contingent first on the needs of others without assuring their own position continues to be the US policy today.  

Read more: Coping with change - Oil http://www.americanforeignrelations.com/O-W/Oil-Coping-with-change.html#ixzz1VUL0Frou

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
The United States has not only a duty, but an inherent right to "intervene"  when its interests or citizens are threatened or somehow placed in jeopardy.  Collectively, our Nation has used great restraint, and its not as if the United States is known for sticking its nose in other Nations' business or affairs,  unless our liberty interests are somehow affected. 
 
The support of the Shah and his family was a prudent political move and kept stability in that Nation for almost thirty years.  A Nation that America had an abundance of interests in, (as did Great Britain)  as Iran supplied the bulk of crude oil to the West in the 1950s, and we had a ton of money invested in that oil, its exploration,  the technology to retrieve it, and the supply chain to get the product to market.  Just as important, geopolitically,  Iran sits at the Straights of Hormuz,  and it was critical especially during the 1950s and 1960s that the Persian Gulf and the Straights of Hormuz remain a viable shipping lane.
 


 

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Re: Who Schooled Whom?

THE ANNOINTED ONE Some stupid thoughts
The Fox News talking heads on are now telling us Tea Baggers what we
want to hear
in the upcoming elections and pointing out and denigrating those that
do not comply with their appointed political guidelines. (Perry
comment on the traitorous actions of himself)
What I want to hear is a candidate that has brains that has at
least a modicum of smarts and will help return the US to a more
democratic,
constitutionally compliant Government; One that recognizes the
true Sovereignty of Native American land.
Let's start with the Farmers watering down of the Marijuana crops and
what made
them so special.
Each right wing idiot has different table manners, underpants and sit-
com ideals. They gathered in clumps like that and immigrated to
specific areas of the nation in order to live freely in
a like-minded community with its own outhouses geared to those
ideals. The
idea of the corporate government and those that find one gay bar was/
is
somehow different, better or worse than another was and is to kill
Now that is really tough, Rhode Island is all about foreclosures and
Iowa
is all about Swedish fags; not only are there differences but for each
to do
what it does best there must be differences in all aspects of life
and
accepted practices. The Koch Brothers and those elected Republicans
seem to think that this
is just not so.
The white slave owners knew it had to be so.
To point this out and name the names that think otherwise is no
longer
considered good driving skills. It is considered to be anti-white as
if
there is a single definition as to what a white man is…. there is
not.
In all the history of the USA the ONLY time that right wing idiots
seem to
agree on everything is when their wives find out they been to a strip
bar This was true until the US decided to enter into a NASCAR event
on
a regular basis, now that which once made the USA multi-racial and a
beacon
to homeless people. It is considered unpatriotic and un-American to
think for yourself.
What we will soon have is "no laws, no nations, no air force" that
will
preclude any common sense. What we will have is a lack of
competition between men with small dicks for commerce and ideas; what
we will
have is just another homo country that loses its edge as it
slips into a Fascist quagmire.
What we are doing is losing that very identity that made the USA the
great and desired example it once was. That's my Glenn Beck Paranoid
Remember…States have no rights!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Destroy all socialists today!!!!!!!!!

Some stupid thoughts
The Fox News talking heads on are now telling us Tea Baggers what we
want to hear
in the upcoming elections and pointing out and denigrating those that
do not comply with their appointed political guidelines. (Perry
comment on the traitorous actions of himself)
What I want to hear is a candidate that has brains that has at
least a modicum of smarts and will help return the US to a more
democratic,
constitutionally compliant Government; One that recognizes the
true Sovereignty of Native American land.
Let's start with the Farmers watering down of the Marijuana crops and
what made
them so special.
Each right wing idiot has different table manners, underpants and sit-
com ideals. They gathered in clumps like that and immigrated to
specific areas of the nation in order to live freely in
a like-minded community with its own outhouses geared to those
ideals. The
idea of the corporate government and those that find one gay bar was/
is
somehow different, better or worse than another was and is to kill
Now that is really tough, Rhode Island is all about foreclosures and
Iowa
is all about Swedish fags; not only are there differences but for each
to do
what it does best there must be differences in all aspects of life
and
accepted practices. The Koch Brothers and those elected Republicans
seem to think that this
is just not so.
The white slave owners knew it had to be so.
To point this out and name the names that think otherwise is no
longer
considered good driving skills. It is considered to be anti-white as
if
there is a single definition as to what a white man is…. there is
not.
In all the history of the USA the ONLY time that right wing idiots
seem to
agree on everything is when their wives find out they been to a strip
bar This was true until the US decided to enter into a NASCAR event
on
a regular basis, now that which once made the USA multi-racial and a
beacon
to homeless people. It is considered unpatriotic and un-American to
think for yourself.
What we will soon have is "no laws, no nations, no air force" that
will
preclude any common sense. What we will have is a lack of
competition between men with small dicks for commerce and ideas; what
we will
have is just another homo country that loses its edge as it
slips into a Fascist quagmire.
What we are doing is losing that very identity that made the USA the
great and desired example it once was. That's my Glenn Beck Paranoid
Remember…States have no rights!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Who Schooled Whom?

1.   I don't remember who said in an earlier thread that there was a democratically elected government in Iran in 1953, that is incorrect.
 
2.    There was an attempt to nationalize the oil industry in Iran in the early 1950s, as well as a threat of a communist takeover of the Nation by Soviet backed political groups withn Iran.   Once again, See The Truman Doctrine. 
 
3.    There was in fact an Iranian military in 1953,  (and prior to that also)  to include an Iranian Navy, Army and even an Air Force.  It is true that most of the Iranian Navy was destroyed in WWII, but was rebuilt especially under the Shah.  Just as important, (and what I was mainly referring to in my post above)  was that during the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, there was clearly a military.   
 
4.    Whether there was an Iranian military or not, the logistics of the area is what is critical.  Today,  the Iranians can pretty much end Persian Gulf oil shipments, by closing down the Persian Gulf. 
 
 
 


 
On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
The US had no investment in  oil in the 1950's a few corporations did. Iran had no naval or armed forces to speak of in the 1950's nor did any other country in the area. Egypt, who had and has no oil had the cat by the tail... the Suez... and they closed it by sinking a few ships in it due to undue western "influence" over oil in the area. 

There is never anything prudent about interfering in the internal policies of another nation over oil. Iraq who produces more and exports more oil than Iran then and again now was shut down for 8 years with little to no effect on the price of oil and the US ended up with squat... including the mysterious WMDs.


The question of oil imports presented U.S. policymakers with a strategic dilemma. If what would be needed in an emergency was a rapid increase in production, oil in the ground was of little use, and even proved reserves would not be particularly helpful. The need could only be filled by spare productive capacity. Too high a level of imports would undercut such capacity by driving out all but the lowest cost producers. Moreover, reliance on imports, especially from the Middle East, was risky from a security standpoint because of the chronic instability of the region and its vulnerability to Soviet attack. However, restricting imports and encouraging the increased use of a nonrenewable resource would eventually under-mine the goal of maintaining spare productive capacity and preserving a national defense reserve.

Rising oil imports led to demands by domestic producers and the coal industry for protection against cheaper foreign oil. In contrast, the President's Materials Policy Commission, appointed by President Truman in January 1951 and headed by the chairman of the Columbia Broadcasting System, William S. Paley, had called for a policy of ensuring access to the lowest cost sources of supply wherever located. The commission's report, issued in June 1952, rejected national self-sufficiency in favor of interdependence, arguing that the United States had to be concerned about the needs of its allies for imported raw materials and about the needs of pro-Western less developed countries for markets for their products. Although the commission admitted that self-sufficiency in oil and other vital raw materials was possible, it argued that it would be very expensive, that the controls necessary to make it possible would interfere with trade, that it would undercut the goal of rebuilding and integrating western Europe and Japan under U.S. auspices, and that it would increase instability in the Third World by limiting export earnings.

Nevertheless, after attempts to implement voluntary oil import restrictions failed, the Eisenhower administration, in March 1959, imposed mandatory import quotas, with preferences given to Western Hemisphere sources. Although the Mandatory Oil Import Program (MOIP) seemed to be a victory for advocates of national self-sufficiency, the result, ironically, was to make the United States more dependent on oil imports in the long run because the restrictions meant that increases in U.S. consumption were met mainly by domestic production.

Great policies that are contingent first on the needs of others without assuring their own position continues to be the US policy today.  

Read more: Coping with change - Oil http://www.americanforeignrelations.com/O-W/Oil-Coping-with-change.html#ixzz1VUL0Frou

On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Keith In Tampa <keithintampa@gmail.com> wrote:
The United States has not only a duty, but an inherent right to "intervene"  when its interests or citizens are threatened or somehow placed in jeopardy.  Collectively, our Nation has used great restraint, and its not as if the United States is known for sticking its nose in other Nations' business or affairs,  unless our liberty interests are somehow affected. 
 
The support of the Shah and his family was a prudent political move and kept stability in that Nation for almost thirty years.  A Nation that America had an abundance of interests in, (as did Great Britain)  as Iran supplied the bulk of crude oil to the West in the 1950s, and we had a ton of money invested in that oil, its exploration,  the technology to retrieve it, and the supply chain to get the product to market.  Just as important, geopolitically,  Iran sits at the Straights of Hormuz,  and it was critical especially during the 1950s and 1960s that the Persian Gulf and the Straights of Hormuz remain a viable shipping lane.
 


 

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Janeane Garofalo's 'Racist Dogwhistle' Tells Us Herman Cain Doesn't Have a Mind of His Own

by                   John Nolte  

Thanks to Barack Obama's failed presidency, the desperate Left is left with nothing to defend and can only personally destroy, and so they've created a world where the words "basketball," "clouds" and "food stamps" are all racist. The only thing that's not racist, however, is actual racism, especially when that racism is directed at a Black Republican.

Case in point: The Miserable Janeane Garofalo:

Garofalo also said successful businessman Herman Cain is either being paid to run or is suffering from Stockholm syndrome because he is a "person of color" running as a Republican in the party's presidential primary.

"[He's] in this presidential race because he deflects the racism that is inherent in the Republican party, the conservative movement, the Tea Party certainly. [In] the last 30 years the Republican party has been moving more and more to the right, but also race-baiting more. Gay-baiting more. Religion-baiting more," Garofalo said.

"But, Herman Cain, I feel like, is being paid by somebody to be involved and to run for president so that you go like 'I love that, that can't be racist. He's a black guy, a black guy asking for Obama being impeached.' Or 'it's a black guy whose anti-Muslim. It's a black guy who is a Tea Party guy.'"

(more…)

So Garbuffalo, who's the real racist here, a grass roots movement that has never made a racist comment about Obama, or a leftist goon who accuses a self made, successful black businessman of being an "uncle tom". I know who my choice would be, and it's picture is at the top of this post.

Tom in NC

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