Thursday, August 18, 2011

Streams of Confusion from Stephen Rattner


Wednesday, August 17, 2011
Streams of Confusion from Stephen Rattner
Posted by Robert Wenzel at 6:53 AM

Democratic operative Stephen Rattner is out with a very confused Op-Ed charging that Republican presidential candidates are far, far too extreme. If that were only true.

He writes:
Take the agreement to avert a disastrous default by cutting at least $2.1 trillion from the deficit over the next decade. Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann and Ron Paul all opposed it. Only Jon M. Huntsman Jr. (whose poll numbers ­ perhaps not coincidentally ­ are in the single digits) supported it.

Rattner, of course, does not mention that the $2.1 trillion cut in spending is not a real cut, but a cut only in "baseline" budget increases that will lead, conservatively, to a $7 trillion increase in the deficit over the next 10 years.

This is how he, like most in Washington, would like to frame the debate. It is dishonest talk about what the deficit really is. Indeed, Romney is not likely to demand much more than this supposed $2.1 trillion "cut".

Rattner then tells us:
Not to be outdone, Mrs. Bachmann and Mr. Paul ventured still further, insisting that they would never vote to raise the debt ceiling. That may sound good on the Iowa campaign trail, but it would easily tip the economy into an unending downward spiral.

Bachmann seems to be just mimicking Ron Paul's views, with a warmonger twist, but what is wrong with not raising the debt ceiling? If revenues decline for individuals or businesses, cutting back is exactly what is done. Increasing the debt ceiling leads to either crowding out of private sector borrowing or Fed buying of the debt, which is ultimately price inflationary. These, apparently, are the two options that Rattner prefers rather than not raising the debt ceiling.

For him, crowding out of private sector borrowing or Fed money printing are never considered as part of the increase in the debt ceiling equation. To him a debt ceiling increase is magic money, without consequences, or ignored consequences.

Rattner then goes on to specifically attack Ron Paul:
Mr. Paul, who finished second in the Iowa straw poll on Saturday, has for decades sought to abolish the Federal Reserve, arguing that it is corrupt and unconstitutional. Eliminating our central bank is a crazy idea that would plunge the country back into an oscillating 19th-century world of panics and busts.

Is Rattner serious? Does he not realize that oscillating panics and busts are what we have under the Federal Reserve? Did he forget that he was named by President Obama the "auto czar" to "rescue" the auto industry during the most recent economic bust? How can guys like Rattner, in the face of the current economic turmoil, suggest that the boom-bust cycle is a thing of the pre-Fed era?

In fact, government involvement in money printing has been at the core of the pre-Fed and current Fed boom-bust cycles. It's only when the view that money printing, and the distorting effects it has on an economy are understood, that the boom-bust cycles caused by money printing will end.

Rattner's support of an economic structure based on increasing debt, on manipulative money printing that only devalues the dollar, and creates boom-bust cycles, sounds extreme to me.

The one point where Rattner does make some sense is in his views about the current Republican candidates and how they would rule if they were elected President, but there is new confusion by Rattner's not explicitly removing Ron Paul from the comment:
Perhaps these Republican aspirants are simply pandering to antigovernment sentiment and, if elected, would govern more sensibly. Franklin D. Roosevelt campaigned on eliminating "unnecessary functions of government" and then vastly expanded federal spending to fight the Depression. Bill Clinton did the reverse, pledging tax cuts in response to the 1990-1 recession but governing as a fiscal moderate.

This is likely true of all the candidates except for Ron Paul. It is dishonest for Rattner to lump Dr. Paul in with the other candidates who will change their views to win just one more vote. Ron Paul has held consistent views for decades. If he is elected, his Presidency would very much reflect those views.

A Ron Paul Administration would be very different from any other Republican Administration. It would, indeed, be an administration that would move toward cutting government spending dramatically, ending the Fed and all the other government programs and agencies that stifle economic growth and liberty.

For Rattner, to lump Ron Paul in with these other candidates is nonsense, only to be exceeded by the nonsense he rattles about in favor of an ever growing government that will somehow be financed by ever more borrowing, until the globe is totally saturated by Treasury debt. And then what?

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/08/rattner-republican-presidential.html

RE: **JP** Real Face of Amir Liaquat

Mr. Aamir Liaqat could not authenticate his degrees whenever challenged in past.
 
The only response from him on the posted video is that it is dubbed by rival TV channel. He is wealthy person why he did not dare to sue the TV channel he feels is behind the video?

Muhammad Boota Sarwar


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From: haris_2003@hotmail.com
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: **JP** Real Face of Amir Liaquat
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:12:09 +0600

YOU STILL NEED PROOF ??????  this video is itself a proof ... if u can't see whats in front of you .. then what can any one do ...

Muhammad Haris Haneef



Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:42:00 -0700
From: sidra_haider88@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: **JP** Real Face of Amir Liaquat
To: joinpakistan@googlegroups.com

Shame on u ap jase log fisad pada kate ho ap k pas kia prof ha es bat k real main asa kaha haa doctor sahib ne asa kaha ha



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Subject: **JP** Real Face of Amir Liaquat

Assalam-o-alaikum
 
Check out the real face of Amir Liaquat Hussain (off-camera scenes) and watch his Tv shows.... what a hyporicy. He is hosting islamic shows, such as "Alim Online", "Sehar with Amir" etc. but off the screen he uses worst abusive language.
 
 
He is basically Ahl-e-Tashi but pretends as a Sunni Alim.
 
Farhan
 
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Re: a good take on socialism

This is great!


 
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 2:01 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMqNL7sIhGs&feature=related

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Re: Who Schooled Whom?

Why prey tell, do the Iranians have a reason to hate us?  Because we seized their assets when their government invaded a sovereign embassy, and because they held fifty-three Americans hostage? 
 
Again, Dr. Paul is wrong in his history if you are referencing our Nation's support for a coup, that toppled a corrupt government in Iran back in 1953.  If we had the opportunity to do so again, I and every other American should support such an action.
 
The Iranians have no reason to hate America, we have been one of their most benevolent benefactors!
 


 
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 2:54 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
Iran is not the Soviet Union, it is a bunch of fanatics who hate
Western Civilization, and especially America
---
they have a damn good reason to hate the US

treating them any differently from other muslim nations and attempting
to stop them from developing nukes is folly

RP's foreign policy is pro-American, not pro-Israel
choose sides carefully


On Aug 17, 1:41 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello PlainOl!
>
> How about from the horse's mouth, on August 12th, at the Ames Iowa debate,
> with regard to Iran, and a question from Chris Wallace,  who asked:
>
> *"Congressman Paul -- Congressman Paul, you say that President Obama is not
> too soft on Iran, you say that he is too tough on Iran. I want to put up
> some of your statements. "Sanctions are not diplomacy," you say. "They are a
> precursor to war and an embarrassment to a country that pays lip service to
> free trade." As for Iran's nuclear ambitions, you wrote this: "One can
> understand why they might want to become nuclear capable, if only to defend
> themselves and to be treated more respectfull"*
>
> *"Is that your policy towards Iran?"*
>
> **
> **
> Congressman Paul responded in part:
> * *
> **
>
> *"....Just think of the agitation and the worrying of a country that might
> get a nuclear weapon some day. And just think of how many nuclear weapons
> surround Iran. The Chinese are there. The Indians are there. The Pakistanis
> are there. The Israelis are there. The United States is there. All these
> countries -- China has nuclear weapons. "*
> *
>
> "Why wouldn't it be natural that they might want a weapon? There'd be --
> internationally, they'd be given more respect. Why should we write people
> off? There was -- you know, in the '50s, we at least talked to them. At
> least our leaders and Reagan talked to the Soviets.
> *
>
> *What's so terribly bad about this?"*
>
> Wallace followed up:
>
> *"Congressman Paul -- Congressman Paul, I want to just give you 15 seconds.
> I want to just make sure I understand. So your policy towards Iran is, if
> they want to develop a nuclear weapon, that's their right, no sanctions, no
> effort to stop them?"*
>
> *PAUL: "No, I think that -- I think that thing -- that makes it much worse.
> Why would that be so strange, if the Soviets and the Chinese have nuclear
> weapons? We tolerated the Soviets; we didn't attack them.
> And they were a much greater danger -- they were the greatest danger to us
> in -- our whole history. You don't go to war against them."*
> **
> *========
> *
> **
> As stated, I have the utmost respect for Dr. Paul, and I think he is a
> brilliant individual, who has sound economic and fiscal polices that the
> Republican Party are now adopting.  Kudos to Paul, and the Tea Party for
> finally seeing the light!
>
> I do not agree with Dr. Paul's foreign policy, and I find it just outright
> naive!  Iran is not the Soviet Union, it is a bunch of fanatics who hate
> Western Civilization, and especially America.  Dr. Paul doesn't see this or
> realize this.
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 1:34 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > For Dr. Paul to advocate
> > Iran's nuclear capabilities is just flat out scary
>
> > ---
> > cite source
>
> > On Aug 17, 9:11 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I would agree that our foreign policy of, "Nation Building"  was
> > misguided
> > > and not in the best interests of the United States.  I would also call
> > > "Nation Building"  a form of "Intervention".
>
> > > There is a distinction however, between "Intervention"  and "Isolation".
> > > Dr. Paul espouses the latter, and that is just as misplaced as Nation
> > > Building.  In fact, It's far more dangerous.  For Dr. Paul to advocate
> > > Iran's nuclear capabilities is just flat out scary.  A clear indication
> > that
> > > Paul denies the reality of the world today.  Dr. Paul is a brilliant guy,
> > > he is just flat out misplaced on what constitutes a danger to our Nation.
>
> > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:22 AM, raymorphic <raymorp...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > "It didn't make Dr. Paul any more correct with regard to history, or
> > > > his
> > > > foreign policy."
>
> > > > I'm not sure about the history part; what I refer to as sensible was
> > > > the foreign policy solution.
>
> > > > America do not like interventionists foreign policies.
>
> > > > We couldn't run our country well, let alone running other people's
> > > > countries.
>
> > > > In addition, we're in no financial position to intervene.
>
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Wednesday, August 17, 2011

Re: Who Schooled Whom?

Iran is not the Soviet Union, it is a bunch of fanatics who hate
Western Civilization, and especially America
---
they have a damn good reason to hate the US

treating them any differently from other muslim nations and attempting
to stop them from developing nukes is folly

RP's foreign policy is pro-American, not pro-Israel
choose sides carefully


On Aug 17, 1:41 pm, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello PlainOl!
>
> How about from the horse's mouth, on August 12th, at the Ames Iowa debate,
> with regard to Iran, and a question from Chris Wallace,  who asked:
>
> *"Congressman Paul -- Congressman Paul, you say that President Obama is not
> too soft on Iran, you say that he is too tough on Iran. I want to put up
> some of your statements. "Sanctions are not diplomacy," you say. "They are a
> precursor to war and an embarrassment to a country that pays lip service to
> free trade." As for Iran's nuclear ambitions, you wrote this: "One can
> understand why they might want to become nuclear capable, if only to defend
> themselves and to be treated more respectfull"*
>
> *"Is that your policy towards Iran?"*
>
> **
> **
> Congressman Paul responded in part:
> * *
> **
>
> *"....Just think of the agitation and the worrying of a country that might
> get a nuclear weapon some day. And just think of how many nuclear weapons
> surround Iran. The Chinese are there. The Indians are there. The Pakistanis
> are there. The Israelis are there. The United States is there. All these
> countries -- China has nuclear weapons. "*
> *
>
> "Why wouldn't it be natural that they might want a weapon? There'd be --
> internationally, they'd be given more respect. Why should we write people
> off? There was -- you know, in the '50s, we at least talked to them. At
> least our leaders and Reagan talked to the Soviets.
> *
>
> *What's so terribly bad about this?"*
>
> Wallace followed up:
>
> *"Congressman Paul -- Congressman Paul, I want to just give you 15 seconds.
> I want to just make sure I understand. So your policy towards Iran is, if
> they want to develop a nuclear weapon, that's their right, no sanctions, no
> effort to stop them?"*
>
> *PAUL: "No, I think that -- I think that thing -- that makes it much worse.
> Why would that be so strange, if the Soviets and the Chinese have nuclear
> weapons? We tolerated the Soviets; we didn't attack them.
> And they were a much greater danger -- they were the greatest danger to us
> in -- our whole history. You don't go to war against them."*
> **
> *========
> *
> **
> As stated, I have the utmost respect for Dr. Paul, and I think he is a
> brilliant individual, who has sound economic and fiscal polices that the
> Republican Party are now adopting.  Kudos to Paul, and the Tea Party for
> finally seeing the light!
>
> I do not agree with Dr. Paul's foreign policy, and I find it just outright
> naive!  Iran is not the Soviet Union, it is a bunch of fanatics who hate
> Western Civilization, and especially America.  Dr. Paul doesn't see this or
> realize this.
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 1:34 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > For Dr. Paul to advocate
> > Iran's nuclear capabilities is just flat out scary
>
> > ---
> > cite source
>
> > On Aug 17, 9:11 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I would agree that our foreign policy of, "Nation Building"  was
> > misguided
> > > and not in the best interests of the United States.  I would also call
> > > "Nation Building"  a form of "Intervention".
>
> > > There is a distinction however, between "Intervention"  and "Isolation".
> > > Dr. Paul espouses the latter, and that is just as misplaced as Nation
> > > Building.  In fact, It's far more dangerous.  For Dr. Paul to advocate
> > > Iran's nuclear capabilities is just flat out scary.  A clear indication
> > that
> > > Paul denies the reality of the world today.  Dr. Paul is a brilliant guy,
> > > he is just flat out misplaced on what constitutes a danger to our Nation.
>
> > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 4:22 AM, raymorphic <raymorp...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > "It didn't make Dr. Paul any more correct with regard to history, or
> > > > his
> > > > foreign policy."
>
> > > > I'm not sure about the history part; what I refer to as sensible was
> > > > the foreign policy solution.
>
> > > > America do not like interventionists foreign policies.
>
> > > > We couldn't run our country well, let alone running other people's
> > > > countries.
>
> > > > In addition, we're in no financial position to intervene.
>
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