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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

I prefer to call it what it is.... Stalinesque.

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashleyii@lavabit.com> wrote:

John,

So you are trying to eliminate celebrities who have an opinion that differs from yours. How fascist of you!

On 04/10/2011 01:53 PM, NoEinstein wrote:

No, Jonathan!  Celebrities in the media and in entertainment simply can't voice their opinions or political preferences in any MEDIUM. The man-on-the-street doesn't get hours a week to talk about how great Barack Obama is, the way Oprah Winfrey did.  Barbara Walters, a celebrity, made no bones about the fact she supported Barack Obama. What in our "Constitution" gives high-paid celebrities the right to have more influence on the outcome of elections than the man on the street?  As soon as Jay Leno or David Letterman make one joke about a candidate for public office, they will immediately be fired or their network closed.  Politics is NOT about entertainment, nor is it a game with 24-7 play-by-play coverage with commentary and prove-nothing polls.  Those who would like our government to be run the way the People say, rather than the way those who publicly endorse a candidate say, should rally behind my New Constitution—a document for the people!  —  J. A. A. —

On Apr 9, 1:01 am, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com> wrote:

John,  You have once again shown that you have no interest in freedom, but instead want to dictate what others can and cannot do.  That you believe celebrities should have less right to voice their opinions smacks of fascism. Or am I misinterpreting what you mean when you state, "Entertainment celebrities, like media celebrities, have a 'following' which would be cesseptable (sic) to vote like the celebrities vote. The (sic) means celebrities would have more influence at the poles (sic) than the man-on-the-street (sic).  Of course, that shift of power runs counter to principles of fair play and democracy."  Please explain to the world what "principles of fair play" means and why someone who is a celebrity will not be allowed to "play" in your world.  And, John, you'd better do it fast. I think your time on this forum is about up.  On 04/08/2011 09:07 PM, NoEinstein wrote:

Jonathan:  Entertainment celebrities, like media celebrities, have a "following" which would be cesseptable to vote like the celebrities vote.  The means celebrities would have more influence at the poles than the man-on-the-street.  Of course, that shift of power runs counter to principles of fair play and democracy.  The 1st Amendment says: "... the freedom of a fair and pro-democracy press or other medium".  Having a pro-democracy press means that no one like Mark is allowed to push socialism nor communism. His threatening me because I correctly peg him as anti-America, would shut down Google, if Google didn't FIRE Mark, post haste!  ï¿½ J. A. A. ï¿½

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Re: [LA-F] Julia Sweeney: Sex Ed

Mayhaps

If you insist on my being serious and not telling sex jokes then I will say:

If you read Franklin's autobiography, required of college freshmen in the better American universities, you can see how utilitarianism may have led to the demise of American capitalism. Franklin tells his son that you should marry old women instead of young ones, because they have money and can help you in business and society with their connections -- and you just have to turn off the lights or put a bag on their heads because the nether regions remain moist into middle age. He was dispensing rather crude sex ed himself.

I just went to Monticello, for the first time in decades, in January (Jefferson's farm atop a small mountain near Charlottesville VA). Jefferson, libertarian Enlightenment rationalist, had 600 slaves during his lifetime, including famously his lover Sally Hemmings. (If anyone wants to go this summer when it is in flower just email me and I will join you -- I want to see the gardens -- TJ collected seeds from all over the world). I asked the docent how many he freed and the answer was 7, 2 while alive and 5 at his death. Unimpressive, n'est-ce pas?

It is possible he never freed any to shield them from creditors. He seems to have never sold many either. He kept families intact, and he was constantly in debt (importing French wine, optical and mechanical devices, and books, from Europe). Apparently under the law at the time if he had freed slaves creditors could have seized them (and broken up families) to pay off his debts. (Incidentally, proof that slavery was not economically productive or efficient -- Jefferson had two farms and 600 slaves and still could not produce enough to both feed them all and keep himself in the latest books and French wines. At one point Congress bought his library, and it became the original Library of Congress -- and was originally housed at 224 2nd Street SE, which was in the 80s the headquarters of the Cato Institute. He took the money and bought more books.)

TJ's daughter did not free Sally Hemmings, but let her go to town and work as a seamstress and keep her own earnings and rent her own house. I wonder if that was because she was actually safer (eg from rape or robbery) as the property of an important family than she would have been as a free woman of color.

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:47 PM, David> wrote:

Not to true English gentlemen; they are made of sterner stuff Bruce.
Anyway, I've just watched the HBO "John Adams", and I don't think that
Adams, Jefferson, Franklin and Washington were corned-beef inspectors, so
don't you think that American society has lost something since the time of
your 'Founding Fathers'?

David

David Robert Gibson
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Subject: Re: [LA-F] Julia Sweeney: Sex Ed

>I will have to introduce your countrymen to them when I next visit
>
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:29 PM, David Robert Gibson <
> drgibson@btinternet.com> wrote:
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>>
>>
>> I certainly hope not!
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>> David Robert Gibson
>> .
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bruce Majors" <majors.bruce@gmail.com>
>> To: <libertarian-alliance-forum@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [LA-F] Julia Sweeney: Sex Ed
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>> > they don't have rectal thermometers in the UK?
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 6:23 PM, David Robert Gibson <
>> > drgibson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Some of this might not be tasteful to tell children about, especially
>> the
>> >> bum banditry bit, what?
>> >>
>> >> David
>> >>
>> >> David Robert Gibson
>> >> .
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Mario Huet LAF" <mario@libertarian.co.uk>
>> >> To: <libertarian-alliance-forum@yahoogroups.com>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 10:29 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [LA-F] Julia Sweeney: Sex Ed
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 10/04/2011 17:59, Bruce Majors wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >> >> From: K
>> >> >> I did find this totally funny. :) But I also found it sad, and I
>> >> >> wanted
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> ask if other people on the list felt the same thing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The funnyness lies, I think, in how we all identify with her being
>> >> >> so
>> >> >> nerve-wracked about talking about sex, so embarrassed about things
>> >> >> like anal
>> >> >> sex or pornography. A lot of the questions to which she provided a
>> lie
>> >> >> or a
>> >> >> half-truth were simple, honest questions that ought to have
>> >> >> received
>> a
>> >> >> simple, honest answer. (How do gay men have sex? Where do we keep
>> >> >> our
>> >> >> eggs?
>> >> >> How do they get fertilized? Are there movies of humans mating on
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> internet?).
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I know she was only joking, and it's not like comedians have to
>> >> >> tell
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> truth, so I'm not blaming her. I guess I am blaming parents in
>> general
>> >> >> who
>> >> >> are too embarassed to say to direct questions, "Gay men have anal
>> >> >> sex
>> >> and
>> >> >> oral sex, and so do lots of straight people. Eggs are stored in our
>> >> >> ovaries
>> >> >> until they travel to the uterus to be fertilized. They get
>> >> >> fertilized
>> >> >> when a
>> >> >> man uses his penis to put sperm into the woman's vagina. That's
>> called
>> >> >> sex. And yes, it is on the internet. It's called internet
>> >> >> pornography."
>> >> >> How hard is that really?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> K
>> >> >>
>> >> > I watched the video and saw nothing to condemn in the woman's
>> >> > behaviour. She certainly didn't come across as at all hysterical,
>> >> > and
>> >> > the fact that she lacks enthusiasm in discussing such topics as anal
>> >> > sex
>> >> > with her eight-year-old daughter doesn't strike me as at all
>> >> > peculiar.
>> >> > As to this failing to conform with the notions of propriety of any
>> >> > third
>> >> > party, I'd say that's just too bad.
>> >> >
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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

John,

So you are trying to eliminate celebrities who have an opinion that differs from yours. How fascist of you!

On 04/10/2011 01:53 PM, NoEinstein wrote:

No, Jonathan!  Celebrities in the media and in entertainment simply can't voice their opinions or political preferences in any MEDIUM. The man-on-the-street doesn't get hours a week to talk about how great Barack Obama is, the way Oprah Winfrey did.  Barbara Walters, a celebrity, made no bones about the fact she supported Barack Obama. What in our "Constitution" gives high-paid celebrities the right to have more influence on the outcome of elections than the man on the street?  As soon as Jay Leno or David Letterman make one joke about a candidate for public office, they will immediately be fired or their network closed.  Politics is NOT about entertainment, nor is it a game with 24-7 play-by-play coverage with commentary and prove-nothing polls.  Those who would like our government to be run the way the People say, rather than the way those who publicly endorse a candidate say, should rally behind my New Constitution—a document for the people!  —  J. A. A. —

 

On Apr 9, 1:01 am, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com> wrote:

John,  You have once again shown that you have no interest in freedom, but instead want to dictate what others can and cannot do.  That you believe celebrities should have less right to voice their opinions smacks of fascism. Or am I misinterpreting what you mean when you state, "Entertainment celebrities, like media celebrities, have a 'following' which would be cesseptable (sic) to vote like the celebrities vote. The (sic) means celebrities would have more influence at the poles (sic) than the man-on-the-street (sic).  Of course, that shift of power runs counter to principles of fair play and democracy."  Please explain to the world what "principles of fair play" means and why someone who is a celebrity will not be allowed to "play" in your world.  And, John, you'd better do it fast. I think your time on this forum is about up.  On 04/08/2011 09:07 PM, NoEinstein wrote:

Jonathan:  Entertainment celebrities, like media celebrities, have a "following" which would be cesseptable to vote like the celebrities vote.  The means celebrities would have more influence at the poles than the man-on-the-street.  Of course, that shift of power runs counter to principles of fair play and democracy.  The 1st Amendment says: "... the freedom of a fair and pro-democracy press or other medium".  Having a pro-democracy press means that no one like Mark is allowed to push socialism nor communism. His threatening me because I correctly peg him as anti-America, would shut down Google, if Google didn't FIRE Mark, post haste!  ï¿½ J. A. A. ï¿½

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The Inevitable Result of Central Planning: China’s Ghost Cities and Malls

The Inevitable Result of Central Planning: China's Ghost Cities and Malls
April 10, 2011 by Israel Curtis

A stunning video documentary by Dateline (Australia) about the 64 million vacant apartments in China, a result of the government building 10 new cities each year. All this to keep up the appearance of endless economic growth. A classic example of what happens when policy is determined by chasing favorable statistics (reality be damned). It goes without saying that the only thing that makes this possible is the fact that it's paid for with "public" spending.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPILhiTJv7E&feature=player_embedded

Here are some links to Google Maps, where you can see satellite images of some of the cities mentioned in the report:

Zhengzhou New District, Henan
South China Mall, Dongguan
Ordos, Inner Mongolia
Erenhot, Xilin Gol, Inner Mongolia
Dantu, Zhenjiang, Jiangsu
Yunan University Campus, Yunnan, Changgong

Aljazeera has a related report on the questionable growth numbers and the impending real estate bubble. Best quote: "You can't really move to a city with no economy…"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7V3Twb-Qk&feature=player_embedded

More reports from other news outlets:

BBC: Work stops on Chinese ghost town
Amazing satellite images show cities meant to be home to millions lying deserted
Photo Gallery – Ordos, China: A Modern Ghost Town