Monday, April 11, 2011

Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

Einstein,

Regardless of ANY law or law making body's intent; the more laws and the more intrusion into the life of people the restricted and thus the more enslaved they become. Your Constitution and its "built in" penal aspect and outright restriction on free speech is the perfect example.

Just what part of "We the People" at the beginning of the present Constitution do you Americans NOT get. It flatly lays the responsibility for EVERYTHING that Government does at your feet. Exactly why do you think the amendments that allow  you to be armed and talking on the street corner do you most obviously NOT get ?? Not only do you not get it you allow Government to erode it at every turn.

That which is happening to your nation is not the fault of your Constitution it IS the direct fault of every citizen that allows it.

As to your ability to deal outside your borders with me ... good luck with that.  As to your Constitution.... We have our own and yours does NOT apply.






Manchurian Candidate.  That is someone who is anti-America who manages
to get elected President.  He has an aunt who was there when he was
born in Kenya.  But there are no doctor's or nurses who can be found
who were there when he was, purportedly, born in Hawaii.  Where is the
birth certificate with a footprint to confirm where Obama was born?
The economic harm that man has done to the USA qualifies him to get
capital punishment.  But it is his failing to respect his Oath of
Office and to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution which is
immediately treason.  Socialism and communism, which Obama's policies
embrace, is the anti-thesis of a republic or democracy.  In short,
Obama wishes to enslave the 55% of good, hard-working Americans so
that the 45% of liberal good-for-nothings can get free lunches and
abortions.

Your working for Google cannot suspend my free speech rights.  My New
Constitution says: "A Citizen's constitutional rights supersede any
intra-business regulations, including medical protocol."   —  J. A.
Armistead —  Patriot
>
On Apr 9, 12:18 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Einstein,
>
> First: I did NOT threaten. I DID.
> Second: Whether the present or future Constitution is in place I am
> not subject to it or US regulation.
> Third: you openly threatened a sitting head of state... It is
> absolutely against the law to do so in your country. The first
> amendment does not give you that prerogative.
>
> The next such offense will be forwarded to the proper authorities.
> This is NOT a threat, it is a fact.
>
> On Apr 8, 10:07 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jonathan:  Entertainment celebrities, like media celebrities, have a
> > "following" which would be cesseptable to vote like the celebrities
> > vote.  The means celebrities would have more influence at the poles
> > than the man-on-the-street.  Of course, that shift of power runs
> > counter to principles of fair play and democracy.  The 1st Amendment
> > says: "... the freedom of a fair and pro-democracy press or other
> > medium".  Having a pro-democracy press means that no one like Mark is
> > allowed to push socialism nor communism. His threatening me because I
> > correctly peg him as anti-America, would shut down Google, if Google
> > didn't FIRE Mark, post haste!  — J. A. A. —
>
> > On Apr 5, 2:44 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > My New Constitution doesn't allow any person working for
> > > any medium to express their personal political biases.
>
> > > Does that mean my sister will no longer be allowed to work for Kenny
> > > Kingston?
>
> > > On 04/05/2011 11:28 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
> > > > Folks:  Pushing for socialism or communism in a Republic or Democracy
> > > > is the same as trying to overthrow the government.  There is no higher
> > > > crime than that!  I've never said that "anyone" who speaks freely is
> > > > an outlaw.  Only those like Mark, alias "The Annointed (sic) One" who
> > > > attack me�the most patriotic and pro civil liberties person in the USA�
> > > > is clearly an outlaw.  Free speech IS allowed for all of those not
> > > > employed by government and not being paid by any medium.  Working as a
> > > > 'moderator' for Google gives the likes of Mark an advantage of
> > > > exposure.  My New Constitution doesn't allow any person working for
> > > > any medium to express their personal political biases.  There can be
> > > > no exceptions if the USA is to return the control of government to the
> > > > People, and away from the elitist media and elitist politicians which
> > > > the media made to be elitist in the first place.  ï¿½ John A. Armistead
> > > > �  Patriot
> > > > On Apr 4, 12:11 pm, Mark<markmka...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > >> Stalinesque...... Your "pegging" ANYONE that speaks freely as an "outlaw" is
> > > >> absolutely Stalinesque.
>
> > > >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM, NoEinstein<noeinst...@bellsouth.net>  wrote:
> > > >>> Jonathan:  My rationality for pegging you an outlaw and a traitor
> > > >>> should be evident to anyone who has read my pro-people New
> > > >>> Constitution that I've regularly detailed in Sections.  Anyone, like
> > > >>> you, who has a holier-than-thou tone doesn't have the value system to
> > > >>> judge anything.  Be content with looking things up in your elementary
> > > >>> school dictionary, Jonathan.  That's all the discourse you'll ever
> > > >>> get.  ï¿½ J. A. A. �
> > > >>> On Apr 1, 4:09 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>> John,
> > > >>>> If you truly believe I have "no virtues worthy of... being allowed to
> > > >>>> continue to live on this Earth," why don't you stop by sometime and we
> > > >>>> can discuss this in person.
> > > >>>> As for my being "an outlaw to humanity," how do you believe that is
> > > >>>> possible?
> > > >>>>      *OUTLAW,* n. A person excluded from the benefit of the law, or
> > > >>>>      deprived of its protection.
> > > >>>>      *HUMANITY*, n. The peculiar nature of man, by which he is
> > > >>>>      distinguished from other beings.
> > > >>>> How did you determine that humanity is law?
> > > >>>> On 04/01/2011 11:38 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > >>>>> I can't be put on the defensive regarding the most highly-motivated,
> > > >>>>> for-the-people document ever written.  Jonathan, the socialist-
> > > >>>>> communist, is bent on destroying the USA.  He has no virtues worthy of
> > > >>>>> his being allowed to continue to live on this Earth.  He is an outlaw
> > > >>>>> to humanity, along with Mark and MJ.  I'm amazed that Keith can't see
> > > >>>>> what rascals he purports to understand and tolerate!  ï¿½ J. A.
> > > >>>>> Armistead �   Patriot
> > > >>>>> On Mar 29, 1:05 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> John,
> > > >>>>>> The problem is you don't defend your document. If you were to defend
> > > >>> it,
> > > >>>>>> you would have to engage in dialogue. Instead, you resort to personal
> > > >>>>>> attacks against those who pose questions - failing in every instance
> > > >>>>>> thus far to answer any posed questions. You are nothing more than a
> > > >>>>>> hypocrite.
> > > >>>>>> On 03/29/2011 09:23 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> Jonathan:  You, like so many in the groups, seek to elevate your non-
> > > >>>>>>> existent status by attacking the work of your intellectual and
> > > >>>>>>> creative superiors.  As required by the original Constitution, I
> > > >>>>>>> only... "preserve, protect, and defend" my document from the attacks
> > > >>>>>>> of lame brains like you, MJ and Mark.  My time would be better spent
> > > >>>>>>> writing more essays.  ï¿½  J. A. A. �
> > > >>>>>>> On Mar 28, 11:59 am, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> John,
> > > >>>>>>>> Why won't you face the fact that you just don't like YOUR New
> > > >>>>>>>> Constitution being criticized.
> > > >>>>>>>> On 03/28/2011 08:00 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> Jonathan:  For your information, no socialist-communist will ever
> > > >>> get
> > > >>>>>>>>> a chance to serve in, or be employed by government.  The "input"
> > > >>> that
> > > >>>>>>>>> you seek to destroy the USA isn't available to tyrants like you.
> > > >>>   � J.
> > > >>>>>>>>> A. A. �
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 7:36 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Once again John has resorted to cut and paste name calling rather
> > > >>> than
> > > >>>>>>>>>> engage in meaningful dialog.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 03/26/2011 03:53 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Ashley, the socialist-communist, is undeserving of a
> > > >>> reply.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> � J. A. A. �
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2:41 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> John,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I am shocked. I am in agreement with your statement, "In the
> > > >>> case of
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> contract law, a FAIR contract is one in which both parties to
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> contract are happy with the deal." That is voluntary
> > > >>> interaction. That
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> is how things should be.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> However, you lose me with, "If a person thinks they have been
> > > >>> treated
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> unfairly by government or by business they can sue in civil
> > > >>> court and
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> let the jury decide." Would not a better (and less expensive)
> > > >>> solution
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> be to enter into a private contract with an arbitration firm
> > > >>> that has no
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> vested interest in the outcome of the arbitration? No one would
> > > >>> need, as
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> you have phrased it, "to go to any czar to see what the
> > > >>> God-damned
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> government has to say!" Yet, if we follow your remedy when
> > > >>> "treated
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> unfairly by government," we must seek redress from an arm of the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> government that has treated us unfairly.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> How can government be the problem and the solution at the same
> > > >>> time?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Existing tax courts are a prime example of how this does not
> > > >>> work. How
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> does one get remedy from the IRS when both the judge sitting on
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> bench of a tax court and the prosecutor are biased toward the
> > > >>> collection
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of taxes for their very existence? A private arbitration firm
> > > >>> would have
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> no vested interest either way.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Even if we accept that "sue in civil court and let the jury
> > > >>> decide" is
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the way to proceed, it is incompatible with your want of
> > > >>> "democracy."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Will the population collectively sit on every jury?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>          *DEMOCRACY*, n. [Gr. People, and to possess, to govern.]
> > > >>> Government
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>          by the people; a form of government, in which the
> > > >>> supreme power is
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>          lodged in the hands of the people collectively, or in
> > > >>> which the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>          people exercise the powers of legislation. Such was the
> > > >>> government
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>          of Athens.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/25/2011 10:36 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan:  You are a hopeless case.  No one is needed to
> > > >>> explain the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Golden Rule': "Do unto others as you would have them do unto
> > > >>> you."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> And no prudent person has trouble knowing what is fair.  In the
> > > >>> case
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of contract law, a FAIR contract is one in which both parties
> > > >>> to the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> contract are happy with the deal.  If a person thinks they have
> > > >>> been
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> treated unfairly by government or by business they can sue in
> > > >>> civil
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> court and let the jury decide.  Those with a conscience (but
>
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>
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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

Jonathan: A quote from my New Constitution: "Other than the
President or his agents, no person, news medium, organization, group,
their envoys, or any lobby, within government or without, shall be
allowed to contact representatives while such are in Washington." and
"The solicitation of Citizen support is permitted, but the targeted
solicitation of representatives in any place, by any person,
organization, group, or lobby within government or without, is
prohibited. Overt solicitation, feting, or laudatory ceremony, as
above, is a felony—defined as any crime requiring a minimum three year
prison sentence, but time off for good behavior is allowed." Note:
With the taxpayers having to pay for prison sentences, 1.5 to 3 years
is enough jail time so that lobbyists won't feel like continuing in
their 'job'. — J. A. A. —

On Apr 9, 1:06 am, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
wrote:
> John,
>
> Obviously you failed to read what I wrote. One problem addressed and
> solved. Two sentences.
>
> (2) The lobbying of Members of Congress by any Person on behalf of
> anyone other than themselves shall be prohibited;
> (3) Any Person found guilty of lobbying under the Prohibitions of this
> Article shall be imprisoned for not less than 10 Years and/or deported;
>
> On 04/08/2011 09:27 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jonathan:  Most of your objectives are already part of my New
> > Constitution.  What you have done is to make a too broad list of
> > fairly common objectives without addressing just that one "problem",
> > which you must show you can correct in an original way.  Writing a
> > constitution isn't about "making an outline" of desirables, it is
> > about considering how those new provisions will affect everything else
> > going on in America.  Choose one problem and write no more than four
> > sentences.  So far, you haven't shown that you can do that.  ï¿½ J. A.
> > A. �
> > On Apr 8, 11:59 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > wrote:
> >> John,
>
> >> How about adding the following Section to Article I of the existing
> >> Constitution.
>
> >> Section 11. Prohibitions
> >>     (1) Rights inherently belong to all Inhabitants of the several
> >> States, therefore the Congress and any Agency of the United States are
> >> prohibited from enacting any law, rule, or regulation which may in any
> >> way restrict a Person from engaging in an activity which is
> >> non-aggressive in nature; every Person has the Right to his own actions,
> >> provided only that he does not Aggress against another, or the property
> >> thereof; to manufacture, buy or sell any good or service at any mutually
> >> agreed upon terms; to use his own Power for the preservation of his own
> >> Nature, his own Life, his own Liberty; to defend against the aggression
> >> of others;
> >>     (2) The lobbying of Members of Congress by any Person on behalf of
> >> anyone other than themselves shall be prohibited;
> >>     (3) Any Person found guilty of lobbying under the Prohibitions of
> >> this Article shall be imprisoned for not less than 10 Years and/or deported;
>
> >> I'm sure it could be fleshed out to prohibit Congress from aggressing
> >> against us in other ways, but I was short on time.
>
> >> On 04/08/2011 08:29 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
> >>> No, Jonathan!  The biggest obstacle to freedom and liberty is those,
> >>> like you, who wouldn't believe the truth if it hit you over the head
> >>> like a 2 x 4.  Spend a week or so and see if you can write three or
> >>> four sentences that correct an envisioned problem with government or
> >>> business.  You can't, or won't, do it!  Faulting my document shows you
> >>> to be a socialist-communist who doesn't want the US economy to
> >>> survive.  Remember, jerk:  Traitors don't get to vote, they just get
> >>> to hang by the neck until dead�like Barack Obama will be doing, soon.
> >>> � J. A. A. �
> >>> On Apr 5, 3:05 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> If I were to devote 14 years of my life to a single project, I would
> >>>> hope the results of that endeavor were something worthwhile. YOUR New
> >>>> Constitution is bloated and shows a complete lack of focus. Most of the
> >>>> provisions you present are unenforceable. Like the framers of our
> >>>> current constitution,  you offer no penalties for violating the
> >>>> provisions of YOUR New Constitution. You only declare such and such
> >>>> won't be allowed.
> >>>> On 04/05/2011 11:38 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>> Jonathan:  Devote 14 plus years of your life to writing 'a' new
> >>>>> constitution and see how you would describe it.  Saying anything other
> >>>>> than 'my' would imply that the document was the result of... a
> >>>>> committee.  I can say with certainty that nothing creative or worthy
> >>>>> was ever figured out while talking.  Since talking is what committees
> >>>>> do, that explains why committee solutions are never as good as those
> >>>>> of inspired intellectuals like me.  Take any issue of concern to you
> >>>>> and write even one paragraph explaining how 'your' constitution would
> >>>>> address the problem.  Not one person in a million could do that.  I'm
> >>>>> one person in 300 million!  ï¿½  J. A. Armistead �  Patriot
> >>>>> On Apr 4, 12:26 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> But John, it is you who has a holier-than-thou tone. It's YOUR New
> >>>>>> Constitution. By your responses to posts it is obvious you think you are
> >>>>>> the only one in the world worthy enough to have written IT.
> >>>>>> How can you honestly claim YOUR New Constitution is pro-people when the
> >>>>>> "people" cannot even ask you questions about it? It obviously doesn't
> >>>>>> belong to "we the people."
> >>>>>> It is YOU who claims to have written something SPECIAL - unworthy of
> >>>>>> input from us mere mortals.
> >>>>>> Admit it, John. That anyone has the nerve to challenge YOUR worthless
> >>>>>> piece of crap pisses YOU off.
> >>>>>> On 04/04/2011 08:38 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> >>>>>>> who has a holier-than-thou tone
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>          The biggest obstacle to freedom and liberty is not knowing what
> >>>>>>          freedom and liberty are.
> >>>>>> Learn How To Protect Your Identity And Prevent Identity Theft
> >>>>>> <http://8f7ab0ybg8rx5p6mloffi9yw8t.hop.clickbank.net/>
> >>>> --
> >>>>         The biggest obstacle to freedom and liberty is not knowing what
> >>>>         freedom and liberty are.
> >>>> Learn How To Protect Your Identity And Prevent Identity Theft
> >>>> <http://8f7ab0ybg8rx5p6mloffi9yw8t.hop.clickbank.net/>
> >> --
>
> >>        Freedom Is Always Illegal.
>
> >> Learn How To Protect Your Identity And Prevent Identity Theft
> >> <http://8f7ab0ybg8rx5p6mloffi9yw8t.hop.clickbank.net/>
>
> --
>
>       Freedom Is Always Illegal.
>
> Learn How To Protect Your Identity And Prevent Identity Theft
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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

No, Jonathan! Celebrities in the media and in entertainment simply
can't voice their opinions or political preferences in any MEDIUM.
The man-on-the-street doesn't get hours a week to talk about how great
Barack Obama is, the way Oprah Winfrey did. Barbara Walters, a
celebrity, made no bones about the fact she supported Barack Obama.
What in our "Constitution" gives high-paid celebrities the right to
have more influence on the outcome of elections than the man on the
street? As soon as Jay Leno or David Letterman make one joke about a
candidate for public office, they will immediately be fired or their
network closed. Politics is NOT about entertainment, nor is it a game
with 24-7 play-by-play coverage with commentary and prove-nothing
polls. Those who would like our government to be run the way the
People say, rather than the way those who publicly endorse a candidate
say, should rally behind my New Constitution—a document for the
people! — J. A. A. —
>
On Apr 9, 1:01 am, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
wrote:
> John,
>
> You have once again shown that you have no interest in freedom, but
> instead want to dictate what others can and cannot do.
>
> That you believe celebrities should have less right to voice their
> opinions smacks of fascism. Or am I misinterpreting what you mean when
> you state, "Entertainment celebrities, like media celebrities, have a
> 'following' which would be cesseptable (sic) to vote like the
> celebrities vote. The (sic) means celebrities would have more influence
> at the poles (sic) than the man-on-the-street (sic).  Of course, that
> shift of power runs counter to principles of fair play and democracy."
>
> Please explain to the world what "principles of fair play" means and why
> someone who is a celebrity will not be allowed to "play" in your world.
>
> And, John, you'd better do it fast. I think your time on this forum is
> about up.
>
> On 04/08/2011 09:07 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
> > Jonathan:  Entertainment celebrities, like media celebrities, have a
> > "following" which would be cesseptable to vote like the celebrities
> > vote.  The means celebrities would have more influence at the poles
> > than the man-on-the-street.  Of course, that shift of power runs
> > counter to principles of fair play and democracy.  The 1st Amendment
> > says: "... the freedom of a fair and pro-democracy press or other
> > medium".  Having a pro-democracy press means that no one like Mark is
> > allowed to push socialism nor communism. His threatening me because I
> > correctly peg him as anti-America, would shut down Google, if Google
> > didn't FIRE Mark, post haste!  ï¿½ J. A. A. �
>
> --
>
>       Freedom Is Always Illegal.
>
> Learn How To Protect Your Identity And Prevent Identity Theft
> <http://8f7ab0ybg8rx5p6mloffi9yw8t.hop.clickbank.net/>

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Re: Wringing-the-Neck of Empty Ritual.

MARK: My insisting that the laws of the land be enforced is NOT a
crime! Three or more years ago, I was calling Barack Obama the
Manchurian Candidate. That is someone who is anti-America who manages
to get elected President. He has an aunt who was there when he was
born in Kenya. But there are no doctor's or nurses who can be found
who were there when he was, purportedly, born in Hawaii. Where is the
birth certificate with a footprint to confirm where Obama was born?
The economic harm that man has done to the USA qualifies him to get
capital punishment. But it is his failing to respect his Oath of
Office and to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution which is
immediately treason. Socialism and communism, which Obama's policies
embrace, is the anti-thesis of a republic or democracy. In short,
Obama wishes to enslave the 55% of good, hard-working Americans so
that the 45% of liberal good-for-nothings can get free lunches and
abortions.

Your working for Google cannot suspend my free speech rights. My New
Constitution says: "A Citizen's constitutional rights supersede any
intra-business regulations, including medical protocol." — J. A.
Armistead — Patriot
>
On Apr 9, 12:18 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Einstein,
>
> First: I did NOT threaten. I DID.
> Second: Whether the present or future Constitution is in place I am
> not subject to it or US regulation.
> Third: you openly threatened a sitting head of state... It is
> absolutely against the law to do so in your country. The first
> amendment does not give you that prerogative.
>
> The next such offense will be forwarded to the proper authorities.
> This is NOT a threat, it is a fact.
>
> On Apr 8, 10:07 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Jonathan:  Entertainment celebrities, like media celebrities, have a
> > "following" which would be cesseptable to vote like the celebrities
> > vote.  The means celebrities would have more influence at the poles
> > than the man-on-the-street.  Of course, that shift of power runs
> > counter to principles of fair play and democracy.  The 1st Amendment
> > says: "... the freedom of a fair and pro-democracy press or other
> > medium".  Having a pro-democracy press means that no one like Mark is
> > allowed to push socialism nor communism. His threatening me because I
> > correctly peg him as anti-America, would shut down Google, if Google
> > didn't FIRE Mark, post haste!  — J. A. A. —
>
> > On Apr 5, 2:44 pm, Jonathan Ashley <jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > My New Constitution doesn't allow any person working for
> > > any medium to express their personal political biases.
>
> > > Does that mean my sister will no longer be allowed to work for Kenny
> > > Kingston?
>
> > > On 04/05/2011 11:28 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
>
> > > > Folks:  Pushing for socialism or communism in a Republic or Democracy
> > > > is the same as trying to overthrow the government.  There is no higher
> > > > crime than that!  I've never said that "anyone" who speaks freely is
> > > > an outlaw.  Only those like Mark, alias "The Annointed (sic) One" who
> > > > attack me�the most patriotic and pro civil liberties person in the USA�
> > > > is clearly an outlaw.  Free speech IS allowed for all of those not
> > > > employed by government and not being paid by any medium.  Working as a
> > > > 'moderator' for Google gives the likes of Mark an advantage of
> > > > exposure.  My New Constitution doesn't allow any person working for
> > > > any medium to express their personal political biases.  There can be
> > > > no exceptions if the USA is to return the control of government to the
> > > > People, and away from the elitist media and elitist politicians which
> > > > the media made to be elitist in the first place.  ï¿½ John A. Armistead
> > > > �  Patriot
> > > > On Apr 4, 12:11 pm, Mark<markmka...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> > > >> Stalinesque...... Your "pegging" ANYONE that speaks freely as an "outlaw" is
> > > >> absolutely Stalinesque.
>
> > > >> On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:38 AM, NoEinstein<noeinst...@bellsouth.net>  wrote:
> > > >>> Jonathan:  My rationality for pegging you an outlaw and a traitor
> > > >>> should be evident to anyone who has read my pro-people New
> > > >>> Constitution that I've regularly detailed in Sections.  Anyone, like
> > > >>> you, who has a holier-than-thou tone doesn't have the value system to
> > > >>> judge anything.  Be content with looking things up in your elementary
> > > >>> school dictionary, Jonathan.  That's all the discourse you'll ever
> > > >>> get.  ï¿½ J. A. A. �
> > > >>> On Apr 1, 4:09 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>> John,
> > > >>>> If you truly believe I have "no virtues worthy of... being allowed to
> > > >>>> continue to live on this Earth," why don't you stop by sometime and we
> > > >>>> can discuss this in person.
> > > >>>> As for my being "an outlaw to humanity," how do you believe that is
> > > >>>> possible?
> > > >>>>      *OUTLAW,* n. A person excluded from the benefit of the law, or
> > > >>>>      deprived of its protection.
> > > >>>>      *HUMANITY*, n. The peculiar nature of man, by which he is
> > > >>>>      distinguished from other beings.
> > > >>>> How did you determine that humanity is law?
> > > >>>> On 04/01/2011 11:38 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > >>>>> I can't be put on the defensive regarding the most highly-motivated,
> > > >>>>> for-the-people document ever written.  Jonathan, the socialist-
> > > >>>>> communist, is bent on destroying the USA.  He has no virtues worthy of
> > > >>>>> his being allowed to continue to live on this Earth.  He is an outlaw
> > > >>>>> to humanity, along with Mark and MJ.  I'm amazed that Keith can't see
> > > >>>>> what rascals he purports to understand and tolerate!  ï¿½ J. A.
> > > >>>>> Armistead �   Patriot
> > > >>>>> On Mar 29, 1:05 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> John,
> > > >>>>>> The problem is you don't defend your document. If you were to defend
> > > >>> it,
> > > >>>>>> you would have to engage in dialogue. Instead, you resort to personal
> > > >>>>>> attacks against those who pose questions - failing in every instance
> > > >>>>>> thus far to answer any posed questions. You are nothing more than a
> > > >>>>>> hypocrite.
> > > >>>>>> On 03/29/2011 09:23 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> Jonathan:  You, like so many in the groups, seek to elevate your non-
> > > >>>>>>> existent status by attacking the work of your intellectual and
> > > >>>>>>> creative superiors.  As required by the original Constitution, I
> > > >>>>>>> only... "preserve, protect, and defend" my document from the attacks
> > > >>>>>>> of lame brains like you, MJ and Mark.  My time would be better spent
> > > >>>>>>> writing more essays.  ï¿½  J. A. A. �
> > > >>>>>>> On Mar 28, 11:59 am, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> John,
> > > >>>>>>>> Why won't you face the fact that you just don't like YOUR New
> > > >>>>>>>> Constitution being criticized.
> > > >>>>>>>> On 03/28/2011 08:00 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>> Jonathan:  For your information, no socialist-communist will ever
> > > >>> get
> > > >>>>>>>>> a chance to serve in, or be employed by government.  The "input"
> > > >>> that
> > > >>>>>>>>> you seek to destroy the USA isn't available to tyrants like you.
> > > >>>   � J.
> > > >>>>>>>>> A. A. �
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Mar 26, 7:36 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Once again John has resorted to cut and paste name calling rather
> > > >>> than
> > > >>>>>>>>>> engage in meaningful dialog.
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On 03/26/2011 03:53 PM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Ashley, the socialist-communist, is undeserving of a
> > > >>> reply.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> � J. A. A. �
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2:41 pm, Jonathan Ashley<jonathanashle...@lavabit.com
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> John,
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I am shocked. I am in agreement with your statement, "In the
> > > >>> case of
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> contract law, a FAIR contract is one in which both parties to
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> contract are happy with the deal." That is voluntary
> > > >>> interaction. That
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> is how things should be.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> However, you lose me with, "If a person thinks they have been
> > > >>> treated
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> unfairly by government or by business they can sue in civil
> > > >>> court and
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> let the jury decide." Would not a better (and less expensive)
> > > >>> solution
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> be to enter into a private contract with an arbitration firm
> > > >>> that has no
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> vested interest in the outcome of the arbitration? No one would
> > > >>> need, as
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> you have phrased it, "to go to any czar to see what the
> > > >>> God-damned
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> government has to say!" Yet, if we follow your remedy when
> > > >>> "treated
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> unfairly by government," we must seek redress from an arm of the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> government that has treated us unfairly.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> How can government be the problem and the solution at the same
> > > >>> time?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Existing tax courts are a prime example of how this does not
> > > >>> work. How
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> does one get remedy from the IRS when both the judge sitting on
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> bench of a tax court and the prosecutor are biased toward the
> > > >>> collection
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> of taxes for their very existence? A private arbitration firm
> > > >>> would have
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> no vested interest either way.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Even if we accept that "sue in civil court and let the jury
> > > >>> decide" is
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the way to proceed, it is incompatible with your want of
> > > >>> "democracy."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Will the population collectively sit on every jury?
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>          *DEMOCRACY*, n. [Gr. People, and to possess, to govern.]
> > > >>> Government
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>          by the people; a form of government, in which the
> > > >>> supreme power is
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>          lodged in the hands of the people collectively, or in
> > > >>> which the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>          people exercise the powers of legislation. Such was the
> > > >>> government
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>          of Athens.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 03/25/2011 10:36 AM, NoEinstein wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan:  You are a hopeless case.  No one is needed to
> > > >>> explain the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Golden Rule': "Do unto others as you would have them do unto
> > > >>> you."
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> And no prudent person has trouble knowing what is fair.  In the
> > > >>> case
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> of contract law, a FAIR contract is one in which both parties
> > > >>> to the
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> contract are happy with the deal.  If a person thinks they have
> > > >>> been
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> treated unfairly by government or by business they can sue in
> > > >>> civil
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> court and let the jury decide.  Those with a conscience (but
>
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Saved from the Precipice of Doom


Saved from the Precipice of Doom
By Anthony Gregory
Sunday April 10, 2011 at 10:55:52 AM PDT

Thank goodness for the Republicans and Democrats, who in the eleventh hour, put aside their differences and compromised to avert the catastrophe of a government shutdown. You see, the Republicans wanted to cut something like $78.5 billion from what Obama wanted to spend -- itself more than $78.5 billion over the year before. The Democrats were initially willing to talk about "cutting" much less. And now, thanks to the greatest political compromise since the one in 1850­and surely one that will be as permanent in preventing a national crisis­we can all sleep at night knowing that Yosemite and the National Archives will continue to be open for business. The Washington Post reports:

The final pact on 2011 spending called for $38 billion in cuts to federal agency budgets compared with last year's levels, about $78.5 billion below the president's initial funding request for 2011. The White House, which initially resisted any funding reductions, started touting all the cuts it signed off on in a statement that praised reductions of $13 billion in funding for education, health and labor programs.

Oh my, oh my! $38 billion cut from Obama's budget proposal? I guess everyone gets what they want. Obama gets to pat himself on the back for avoiding a shutdown. The Republicans get to pat themselves on the back for avoiding a shutdown, and the American people are satisfied as well.

Oh, wait. Those who love government spending are not so satisfied. You see, the cuts appear to target hot-button social programs. And those who want (at a bare minimum) for government to live within its means might also be dissatisfied. They might protest that even if we go by Obama's projected deficits, these cuts will only shave a few percent of the amount deeper the U.S. goes into the debt hole in a year.

Yet we should forget about all this and just be glad the government didn't shut down. For if it did, we would surely awake to a dystopian nightmare, coastal cities collapsing into the ocean, civil unrest at every corner, whole swaths of previously populated centers abandoned, disease and lawlessness rampant in every direction. Thank goodness Congress and the President got together and stopped this.

After all, we all remember when happened when the government shut down in 1995. Traffic lights didn't work. All the prisoners were running wild in the streets. The US military was completely put out of commission, allowing the Soviet Union to spring back to life and take over half of the world. In the Great Government Shutdown of 1995, an estimated 150 million Americans died of starvation, pertussis, rubella and acute cynicism. Cats were chasing dogs, telephones and plumbing ceased to function completely, and only 75 channels were available on cable television.

Some will respond that these claims are preposterous -- that in fact, not only do modern "government shutdowns" only close down a handful of functions (including such programs as tax refunds and national museums, just to annoy the American people) -- but that, in the United States, such shutdowns are so superficial an example of the government truly shutting down that they actually cost more money than allowing the government to run as normal.

Sure, refuse to take such a catastrophe seriously. But as our Dear Leader says, "Americans of different beliefs came together. . . [i]n the final hours before our government would have been forced to shut down. . . [to pass] a budget that invests in our future while making the largest annual spending cut in our history." Thanks to these courageous and selfless efforts, "when 50 eighth graders from Colorado arrive in our nation's capital," they might "get a chance to look up at the Washington Monument and feel the sense of pride and possibility that defines America."

Doesn't that make your burn with patriotic fever? Red-white-and-blue fumes are just making their way up my esophagus right now. The two parties put aside their vast disagreement -- over whether to borrow another trillion or so of to be paid back by these eighth graders or whether to cut that amount down by a few percent -- and they agreed to meet in the middle. Just like their parents and grandparents, these kids will have the pride to know that they live in a country where every generation has the chance to grow up with much more money owed by the government on their behalf that the generation before it.

http://www.independent.org/blog/index.php?p=10104