Friday, January 21, 2011

Re: Fwd: [I-S] Record of President Obama's birth in 1961 is 'in the archives': Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie

show us the record

On Jan 20, 10:40 am, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Quick quiz ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
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> Who got a recent call from Washington, D.C?
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> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/19/2011-01-19_record...
> orhttp://tinyurl.com/4mfsyxq
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> Record of President Obama's birth in 1961 is 'in the archives': Hawaii
> Gov. Neil Abercrombie
>
> By Michael Sheridan DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
> Wednesday, January 19th 2011, 2:32 PM
>
> Internet rumors spurred on by a fringe group known as 'birthers' insist
> that President Obama is not a U.S. citizen.
>
> Officials in Hawaii have tracked down papers indicating that President
> Obama was indeed born in their state, according to its new governor.
>
> Gov. Neil Abercrombie, who took office in December, told Honolulu's
> Star-Advertiser on Tuesday that "our investigation" indicates there is a
> recording of his birth.
>
> "It actually exists in the archives, written down," he said.
>
> The new Democratic head of the state vowed when he took office that he
> would do his best to end the debate over Obama's birth, which began in
> 2008 during the presidential campaign.
>
> "We'll do what we can as quickly as we can to make it inevitable that
> only those who wish the President ill, only the ones with a political
> agenda, will be the ones doing this kind of thing," Abercrombie told CNN
> in December. "The President is entitled to the respect of his office
> and he's entitled to have his mother and father respected."
>
> During that interview, Abercrombie said his goal to combat birthers was
> a personal one.
>
> "It's a matter of principle with me," the 72-year-old said. "I knew his
> mom and dad. I was here when he was born. Anybody who wants to ask a
> question honestly could have had their answer already."
>
> On Tuesday, he again promised he would do "what I can do" to publicly
> verify that records show Obama was born in Hawaii and is a citizen of
> the United States, making him eligible to be President.
>
> Birthers insist that the President, born in 1961, is not eligible to be
> commander in chief. The reasons often vary, and have changed and
> expanded in the two years since the Internet rumor began.
>
> Some believe his Certification of Live Birth is fake and he was really
> born in Kenya. Others argue that Obama is a citizen of the United
> Kingdom or Indonesia. Most theories have been dismissed by many in
> public office and the media, and have been found to be misleading or
> generally untrue.
>
> However, the conspiracy theories still thrive, and according to
> Abercrombie, likely will continue despite whatever evidence that shows
> him to be a proper U.S. citizen.
>
> "You're not going to convince those people because they have a political
> agenda, or they have minds that go in that kind of direction," he told
> CNN. "Conspiratorial theorists are never going to be satisfied. This
> has gone into another area of political attack."
>
> Read more:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/01/19/2011-01-19_record...
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Re: Bringing Up Hitler

Agreed; with the exception that I would add this line:
 
The Jews and the "Socialists/Democrats/Marxists/Moonbats"  think that flooding the media with Hitler at every turn helps. It doesn't.  Americans didn't and still don't owe the Jews/"Socialists/Democrats/Marxists/Moonbats" sympathy or protection. You're either an American first or you're something else.
 
On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:22 PM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:
The jews think that flooding the media with hitler at every turn
helps. It doesn't. Americans didn't and still don't owe the jews
sympathy or protection. You're either an American first or you're
something else.

On Jan 20, 11:48 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> Thursday, January 20, 2010Bringing Up Hitlerby Jacob G. Hornberger
> Yes, I know that American statists hate it when someone brings up Hitler in the context of U.S. government policies. But it seems to be that bringing up Hitler can sometimes be instructive, especially given his historical role as a benchmark for evil.
> That's not to suggest that every single thing that Hitler ever did was evil, but it seems to me that if the U.S. government is doing something that Hitler did, that ought to at least raise some red flags in the minds of the American people.
> For example, consider such things as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, public schooling, economic regulations, government-business partnerships, welfare, and a big military-industrial complex. Hitler loved those things, and they were core elements of his National Socialist program.
> That shouldn't surprise anyone, at least with respect to the welfare state. As most Germans undoubtedly know, welfare-state programs originated among German socialists in the late 1800s, and they were incorporated into Germany's political system by Otto von Bismarck, who was known as the Iron Chancellor of Germany. The welfare-state ideas were later imported into the United States and becamecore elements of America's political system during the Franklin Roosevelt administration.
> Perhaps that's why American statists hate it when someone brings up Hitler in the context of U.S. government policies. They fear that Americans, upon learning that Hitler embraced welfare-state programs and regulatory programs, might begin questioning the moral legitimacy of such programs. At the very least, Americans might begin realizing what Hitler and the German people realized: that welfare-state programs are socialist in nature and origin, not free-enterprise.
> Another thing about Hitler was his appreciation for how crises could be used to centralize and expand the power of the state. The best example of that was the terrorist attack that became known as the Reichstag Fire, when terrorists fire-bombed the German parliament building. For the Germans, the Reichstag Fire was considered as big an event as the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the United States.
> Hitler didn't skip a beat. His people charged and prosecuted several people who they believed had conspired to commit the attack. To their surprise, the courts acquitted some of the defendants, which motivated Hitler to organize a special court known as the People's Court to try accused people accused of terrorism in the future, to ensure that suspected terrorists would never again be acquitted by the regular German courts.
> Hitler also seized on the terrorist crisis to seek a temporary suspension of civil liberties from the Reichstag. After all, he argued, adherence to the protection of civil liberties might enable the terrorists to win their war on Germany. By suspending civil liberties, he argued, Germany could win the war on terrorism, after which civil liberties could be restored.
> In the process, Hitler had an advantage. He was actually able to present two official enemies to achieve his goal terrorism and communism. Not only was one of the Reichstag terrorists a communist, every German knew of the threat to Germany posed by the Soviet Union.
> The Reichstag granted Hitler's request for a temporary suspension of civil liberties. Equally important, Hitler was able to use the twin crises of communism and terrorism to support ever-growing expenditures on the German military and German military-industrial complex.
> Ironically, after opposing Hitler in World War II, the U.S. government adopted one of Hitler's twin threats the Soviet Union to justify an enormous and ever-growing peacetime military establishment and a military-industrial complex in the United States. Equally ironic was the fact that the Soviet Union had served as a partner of the U.S. government in its battle against the Nazis in World War II.
> In fact, to this day many American interventionists still celebrate the fact that World War II was a great victory because "we" won control over Eastern Europe from the Nazis, with the "we" meaning "our" ally, the Soviet Union. Also ironic is the fact that the U.S. government enlisted Nazis to help it fight its new cold war against Hitler's old enemy and the U.S. government's old ally, the Soviet Union.
> When the Soviet communist threat came to an end many decades later, interventionist policies of the U.S. government in the Middle East produced, ironically, the other threat that Hitler had relied upon to centralize and expand the powers of the state, build up the military, and suspend civil liberties: terrorism. With the 9/11 attacks the U.S. government declared war on the same enemy that Hitler had declared war on after the Reichstag fire a war on terrorism.
> Ironically, however, unlike Hitler President Bush didn't even bother going to the Congress to seek permission to suspend civil liberties. He and the Pentagon simply held that since we are now at war against the terrorists, they didn't need legislative approval to suspend civil liberties, establish overseas prison camps, suspend habeas corpus, torture people, and deny people fundamental rights and guarantees. War is war, they argued.
> In the process, the irony was that U.S. officials did the same thing Hitler did use the terrorist threat to justify ever-increasing expenditures for the military and the military-industrial complex.
> They also used the war on terrorism to wage an undeclared war of aggression on Iraq, a country that had never attacked the United States or even threatened to do so. Ironically, a war of aggression had been declared a war crime at Nuremberg.
> They also established a special Pentagon judicial system for trying accused terrorists that, ironically, bears a remarkable similarity to Hitler's special court for trying accused terrorists that he established after some of the Reichstag Fire defendants had been acquitted in the regular German courts.
> Recently, the Pentagon and U.S. interventionists have been forewarning us about the growing threat from the Chinese communists and the North Korean communists, which, not surprisingly, they are using to justify ever-increasing spending on the military and the military-industrial complex.
> Isn't that ironic? We're now at a point where the U.S. government is supposedly faced with the twin threats that Hitler was faced with terrorism and communism. Equally ironic, those twin threats are being used to justify the same three things that Hitler achieved: a suspension of civil liberties, an ever-growing military and military-industrial complex, and a specially created judicial system that will guarantee convictions for accused terrorists.
> Would it be inappropriate to bring up Santayana while bringing up Hitler? "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2011-01-20.asp

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Re: The Incessant Growth of Government Bureaucracy

The Incessant Growth of Government Bureaucracy
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the socialists goal

On Jan 20, 11:47 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> The Incessant Growth of Government Bureaucracyby Gregory Bresiger, Posted January 18, 2011This article originally appeared in the September 2010 edition of Freedom Daily.The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield, & government to gain ground. -- Thomas Jefferson
> "It is far easier to introduce a government program than to get rid of it."
> Those were the words of a former federal bureaucrat who had worked in World War II in the Office of Price Administration (OPA). He was quite successful. His wartime work has had an effect on all wage earners to this day.
> As an OPA bureaucrat, he devised the withholding tax. That was also known as the "win the war" tax. Withholding was supposed to conclude once the war was won. Yet withholding like so many other government programs and bureaucracies goes on even though the circumstances that gave rise to it ended long ago.
> It is the same with just about all government programs and the bureaucracies that administer them, successful or not, popular or detested. They never end. Withholding, for example, has lasted for so long that almost no one can remember when employers didn't withhold taxes.
> That OPA bureaucrat was none other than Milton Friedman. In his book of memoirs that he wrote with his wife, Rose,Two Lucky People,Friedman wrote that his wife would kid him for the part he played in making possible "overgrown government."
> Why are government bureaucracies resistant to the same forces of change that remake the competitive private sector?
> In the 1950s and 1960s, popular socialist economist John Kenneth Galbraith remarkably complained in bestsellers such asThe Affluent SocietyandThe New Industrial Statethat government bureaucracies were starved of resources. He also warned that big American corporations had virtually omnipotent pricing power and, thus, could practically dictate to consumers how much they would have to pay for their products. He talked about the "dependence effect," by which consumers were led to buy things they never really wanted. If one accepted those notions, he would think that corporations had a power that could guarantee permanent survival and success.
> Yet every day in the private sector we see this disproved. Big stores go out of business. We frequently see supposedly invulnerable corporations humbled or driven out of business.
> Yet what public-sector bureaucracies, either under Republicans or Democrats, have died recently? Or, for that matter, ever?
> Why haven't government bureaucracies, many of which are hated or are obviously incompetent, such as the IRS or Amtrak, gone out of business, as have countless private entities that have been outdone by competitors?The nature of government bureaucracyGovernment bureaucracies, unlike private, competitive firms, sustain themselves with taxpayer dollars, and they are almost always successful in convincing policymakers that they deserve more power and more money.
> The nature of government bureaucracy is to expand in good times and bad. Oftentimes, it uses the citizen's own tax dollars to convince him that he needs much more of the same that any cut in funding or authority would be the height of recklessness.
> For instance, not long ago in city libraries in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Queens, I found handouts everywhere urging people to act and act now to save a public bureaucracy. Here was what one said:Library Day at City Hall. Thursday, May 28, 2009. Fight Massive Budget Cuts Save Our Libraries! Travel to Manhattan by chartered bus. Orientation and materials for your own information, and to share with your City Council Members. Light breakfast provided.Who paid for the pamphlets? Who paid for the chartered bus? (Why did they have to take a private charter bus to city hall? Weren't the wretched state-run subways good enough for them?) Who provided the orientation and materials? Who paid for that light breakfast?
> And what was the nature of the orientation? Somehow, I don't think the city's and state's notorious overspending practices were discussed. By the way, as of this writing no significant cutbacks have taken place in those library bureaucracies, which maintain their same schedules.
> I don't have any answers. Repeated calls to the Queens County Library CEO Thomas W. Galante were never returned. Government bureaucracies are not accountable to the average citizen, whom they supposedly serve.
> How am I doing? Great!While cutbacks go on in the private sector, bureaucrats often use taxpayer money to tell citizens how great they are and that any suggestion of waste or incompetence is ridiculous. That is tantamount to letting me not my private-sector boss do an evaluation of how good I am as a worker. Why can't public bureaucracies have the same evaluation standards as the private sector has?
> The successful private-sector company survives only because it successfully competes today, tomorrow, and into the future. To succeed, it must constantly please finicky customers. Remember that customers, unlike taxpayers, aren't obligated to continue buying at the same business and often change their preferences.
> The opposite is the case in government bureaucracies. Suppose you became disgusted with Social Security and the accounting gimmicks of its so-called trust fund. You are angry and vow never to "contribute" to Social Security again. Sorry, not allowed. You must pay into the Social Security bureaucracy whether you like it or not. Forever. Suppose you think Amtrak is a joke and swear you will never ride its egregious trains again. You can, but there's a problem: you will still pay for its incompetence through your tax dollars, regardless of whether or not you ever ride it again.
> But government-bureaucracy supporters, economist Ludwig von Mises warned, resist all these comparisons to the private sector, since they make the government sector look so bad.
> Again today, as in so many previous economic crises, the public sector and its allies have been able to convince lawmakers and mainstream media that it would be an injustice if the public sector were reduced even in the midst of a deep recession.
> "Bureaucracy," Mises wrote in his book of that name, "is imbued with an implacable hatred of private business and free enterprise." But the greatest danger of government bureaucracy, Mises argues, is that the bureaucratic mindset may start to infect the private sector.
> "The trend toward bureaucratic rigidity is not inherent in the evolution of business. It is an outcome of government meddling with business," Mises writes. Bigger and bigger government bureaucracies will justify themselves by reference to the supposed evils of the private sector.
> It doesn't matter that times may be difficult or prosperous; the assumption of ruling Democrats and Republicans is that the taxpayers can always afford more bureaucracy. For instance, between 1994 and 2004, a conservative, supposedly anti-government era in America, the number of state and local government workers rose from 13.4 million to 15.8 million workers.
> So government bureaucracies are resistant to the same economies that the market imposes on businesses operating in the private sector.
> For example, here in New York State, the state government, despite all its considerable taxing powers, is once again grappling for dollars. The bond market gives state bonds an unsurprisingly poor rating. Yet the latest proposed state budget calls for an increase in spending. The public sector experiences none of the pain that individuals and business must accept.
> Having lived through the Rockefeller years in New York in the 1960s and 1970s, I've seen this happen many times. (Governor Dewey, before Rockefeller became governor of New York, told the young Rockefeller, "Nelson, I like you. But I don't think I can afford you," according to Thomas Dewey and His Times, by Richard Norton Smith.)
> Yet the taxpayers must pay for the policies of elected officials who frequently find it convenient to get along with bureaucracies at the expense of what William Graham Sumner called the Forgotten Man, the average taxpayer.
> As I write these words, New York transit workers and city teachers are being given raises by units of government that are running huge amounts of red ink and must take more from the overburdened taxpayers, many of whom plan to retire to places with lower taxes. Meanwhile, we hear every day of the slow growth of salaries in the private sector.
> Many private-sector workers have had to accept pay cuts in lieu of losing their jobs. Yet government bureaucracies, even in bad times, prosper owing to one interesting fact: All they must do is win just once and then they will go on forever.http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd1009e.aspxxxThis article originally appeared in the October 2010 edition ofFreedom Daily.A government bureaucracy may be difficult to establish, as supporters of expanded Obama health-care socialism discovered. But the friends of collectivism should take heart. No matter how many times people reject their calls to venture farther down the "road to serfdom," no matter how many times American outrage is expressed at town halls across the nation, no matter if socialists lose a million times, they just have to win once. Then, ostensibly, they win forever.
> If they are triumphant, the collectivists the supporters of bigger government have history on their side: The history of government bureaucracies is that once they are established, it is well nigh impossible to dismantle them or even prevent them from swallowing more resources.
> But socialists beware: the bureaucratic monster you create can become unmanageable and turn on you. That is because government power through permanent, seemingly untouchable bureaucracies can have unintended consequences. And the government bureaucracy, once established, can trump party and the elected officials supposedly in control, regardless of whether the government is left or right.
> Here in New York we hear constant complaints from city and state officials about the bureau cratic entity that runs the subways, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA). No one in city hall or in the state legislature seems able to control this state agency. Few citizens know who sits on the MTA board, which is an important part of their lives whether they recognize it or not.
> Mayor Michael Bloomberg, running for re-election and looking for a good issue, promised to reform the MTA and ensure that "the taxpayer gets his money's worth." But what's to reform? The MTA bureaucracy is supposedly the servant of the elected officials. They created it. They empower it. And since the MTA consistently loses money, the lawmakers fund it with citizens' dollars.
> With apologies to Mayor Bloomberg, there is no reform of government bureaucracies. They can't be reformed, although vote-hungry pols will constantly say they have the magic reform formula.
> Their promises are like the promises of the drunk who says just one more drink and he'll stop drinking. The sudden I-got-religion lawmakers promising bureaucratic reform resemble W.C. Fields, who said, "Now, don't tell me you can't give up drinking. I've done it thousands of times."
> And, of course, there is a structural problem in reforming public bureaucracies. Government bureaucracies such as the MTA and thousands of others usually become so big that it is a delusion to think that despite the power of the purse even the most popular elected officials can control those powerful entities and the people who run them. Some actually go through the charade of pretending to control the huge bureaucracies. But the bureaucrat usually can outmaneuver them, something the lawmakers hope the voters never understand.The power of bureaucratsHere is the ghost of the famed New York builder, Robert Moses. As detailed in Robert Caro's superb biographyThe Power Broker,Moses, as anüberbureaucrat with countless city and state posts from the 1920s to 1960s, changed the landscape of New York, usually for the worse.
> Nevertheless, most elected officials did not dare to cross him and most citizens had little idea of the extent of his power until he was bulldozing their homes for super highways. Yet Moses was a bureaucrat liberals once loved just as today's critics of the MTA once applauded its creation decades ago as a great reform that would bring planning sanity to the city's and state's transportation networks.
> Moses was a bureaucrat who delivered new roads and parks just in time for elections. So pols conveniently forgot that he violated laws, ruined lives, and destroyed many neighborhoods thanks to his unchecked bureaucratic power, something even socialists have discovered can be dangerous.
> Richard Crossman, a cabinet minister in the British socialist government of the 1960s, complained in his memoirs that the top civil servant in his department had more influence and power than the cabinet officials. Yet the latter, at least in theory, were the bosses.
> "The department was run as her personal domain," he writes of that particular civil servant in hisDiaries of a Cabinet Minister.He concluded, "And that is why it was badly run and badly organized."
> Crossman conceded that cabinet secretaries couldn't even understand the complex public entities run by career bureaucrats. So how can one even know whether those bureaucracies achieve their goals?
> The people running public entities, whenever a critical word is written or there is the least suggestion of a cutback or of privatizing some of their functions, will always insist that those are not serious options, and they are usually backed by mainstream media elites
> For instance, here in New York, I have written articles proposing privatizing various functions of the hated MTA. All are rejected. The idea is unthinkable even among people one would expect to embrace it.
> Indeed, a recent letter from a Manhattan Institute scholar tartly informed me that there is no history of private entities' making money in the subways. His comment simply ignored the golden era of the subways 1904–1917 when private management companies made money and established a system described as an engineering marvel.
> Why is there a rejection of any private alternative? Many people don't know of private-sector successes. Therefore, many just assume that that there is no private alternative, just as many people have no idea that there was a time when there was no IRS or withholding. The individualist tradition, especially in its most thrifty and successful products and services, is a direct challenge to the government bureaucracy and its self-perpetuating mindset, which, once established, is "we must always grow."
> Can anyone cite for me an example in which the leaders of a government department or commission ever told lawmakers, "We can get by on less," or, "This department is no longer needed"?SilenceThis perpetual expansion tendency, Mises tells us inBureaucracy,is the opposite of what an effective manager in the smallest unit of the private sector does.
> "[If the private manager] wastes the concern's money, he jeopardizes the branch's profit and thereby indirectly hurts his own interests.... Thrift must be imposed on him by regimentation."
> But bureaucrats under fire will often explain that the general public doesn't understand what various departments do. They also insist that our lives would be made miserable without Amtrak, a government postal monopoly, or any other government bureaucracy.
> Government bureaucracies, unlike most of the private sector, aren't subject to a system of profit and loss. And given the well-advertised failures of bureaucracies to achieve their goals, wouldn't it make sense to end as many as quickly as possible?
> Unfortunately, the bureaucratic mentality, supported by mainstream media, won't allow even that idea to be debated, as I have found here in New York. The idea of government's going on a crash diet, of slimming down just as a corporation in trouble sells off money-losing divisions and lays off workers, seems unthinkable. But why is government contraction off-limits at a time when the government is going deeper in the red?
> There are countless untapped opportunities for expanding economic liberty -- for dramatically reducing public spending and returning money to the pockets of overtaxed Americans
> For instance, why do Americans need a government post office with monopoly power over the delivery of first-class mail? Isn't it superfluous in an electronic age in which people can pay bills online and communicate immediately through email or cell phones? Besides, wouldn't private companies rush in to offer first-class mail services if the United States Postal Service lost its legal monopoly?
> Why are there far more people in the U.S. Agriculture Department today than a century ago? Surprisingly, the department was, Stephen Moore points out inGovernment: America's Number One Growth Industry,the fastest-growing government department in the 1980s. He notes that farm-program spending went from $4 billion to $30 billion from 1980 to 1986.
> Agriculture plays a smaller and smaller role in our post-industrial economy. So why do Americans need an Agriculture Department?
> Why does the country need a national passenger railroad system, when relatively few people ride Amtrak and its faux-high-speed train, Acela? Back in the 1970s politicians said that Amtrak would provide "the greatest business turnaround in business history," as documented by Joseph Vranich in his bookEnd of the Line.Once he had been a supporter of the system, but now he calls for Amtrak's breakup. Private-passenger railroads, before they were regulated to death in the 1970s, made money.
> There's no reason that private railroads, using new technologies such as Maglev, couldn't offer high-speed services. Or rather, they could if they were allowed to charge a market rate, which many people, tired of the hassles of air travel, would be glad to pay for efficient and fast service.
> The Rural Electrification Administration, created in the 1930s, goes on and on.
> Federal aid to education hardly existed generations ago, yet today the U.S. Department of Education, which was created in the Carter administration as a political payoff to teachers' unions, is a huge, powerful force that dwarfs local school districts.
> But the government's education bureaucracy, the same as all other bureaucracies, is a gross failure despite repeated attempts to reform it.
> "It's no surprise that our school system doesn't improve; it more resembles the communist economy than our own market economy," said Albert Shanker, a former leader of one of the teachers' unions that helped create the U.S. Department of Education.
> The United States got along quite well without a federal Education Department for two centuries. Why can't Americans do so again?
> The U.S. Defense Department's budget is bigger than ever, and some might say more ineffective than ever in an age of terrorism. Much of its budget is designed to confront a Soviet enemy that no longer exists with carrier task forces that are cumbersome and whose appropriateness should be debated.Why do they survive?Even those major politicians who promise to rid us of at least some of these public bureaucracies can't be trusted to keep their promises.
> Ronald Reagan, in 1980, exploited the disgust with big government's using its bureaucratic tentacles to run every aspect of Americans' lives. He ran on a platform of ending the U.S. Department of Education as well as the U.S. Department of Energy. Neither was ever in danger. Neither was ever cut back. Both go on and on, oblivious to whether there is a Republican or Democratic president or whether they are a burden on taxpayers groaning under ever-increasing debt.
> Many people can sympathize with the theme of this article. Indeed, all kinds of people of different political philosophies tell horror stories of trying to deal with various byzantine government bureaucracies. And yet the poor service goes on and on.
> The problem, in part, is that many elected officials can't control the bureaucracies that supposedly report to them, so how can they even know whether they are necessary? It is a problem as old as the modern welfare state and has been going on for some time.
> Government bureaucracies become so powerful, Tocqueville warned more than a century and a half ago, that they can make all of us seem to be so dependent that we are lulled into thinking that they are the only answer to every problem.
> "Such a power," he wrote inDemocracy in America,"does not destroy, but it prevents existence: it does not tyrannize, but it compresses, enervates, extinguishes, and stupefies a people, till each nation is reduced to be nothing better than a flock of timid and industrious animals, of which the government is the shepherd."
> The problem is, while many can accept my analysis government bureaucracies are inherently inefficient and dangerous, and, as they get bigger, their problems compound they also fear the logical solution: dismantle them as fast as possible before any of them spends more taxpayer dollars.
> But the problem of the government bureaucracy, the same as the woes of the old Soviet Union, is insidious. The solution requires drastic measures: Government bureaucracies need to be dismantled, not reformed.Gregory Bresiger is a business writer living in Kew Gardens, New York.http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd1010d.asp

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Re: democrats -- the party of low

I believe in Democracy
---
then you should move to democratic country

The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately
defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people
decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by
voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other
hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in
turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the
Constitution were altogether fearful of democracy. Everything they
read and studied taught them that democracies "have ever been
spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found
incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and
have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent
in their deaths" (Federalist No. 10).

On Jan 20, 12:05 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Old Sagey is wrong again.
>
> I am not a diciple of any school or movement, I am not a socialist,
> and I am not a propagandist.
>
> I am an independent thinker with my own personal centrist Progressive beliefs.
> I speak the truth, as I see it.  I believe in Democracy, despite its
> many flaws.
>
> It is the Far Right that is the real puveyour of lies, smear, and propaganda.
>
> On 1/19/11, Sage2 <wisdom...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >                   Don't you all know that Tommy is a student &
> > disciple of the Saul Alinsky school of progressive socialism &
> > propaganda?!  Just like Bill Ayers and most progressives infesting our
> > Colleges & Universities as well as government. They are like leeches
> > crawling in the dark waiting to make any move at any time.
> > Divisiveness & DEMagoguery being just a few of their tools of the
> > trade.
>
> > *************************************************************************** **********************************************************
>
> > On Jan 19, 10:17 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> This is not a personal insult, it is a general and genuine political
> >> opinion of mine.
>
> >> The far right extremists are indeed similar to the Third Reich in many
> >> respects, especially regarding fear mongering, false propaganda, war
> >> mongering, and pre-emptive "Bush Doctrine" illegal wars, self centered
> >> supremist beliefs, corrupt profiteering, Corporate personhood and
> >> greed, etc. Tell me I am wrong, and why?
>
> >> On 1/19/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Oh, THIS post.  LOL
>
> >> > You toss Reich Wing around like candy and then have balls to ask, 'Do
> >> > you feel that personal insuts and vicious attacks on group members are
> >> > acceptable in this forum?"
>
> >> > Guess what doof.  Reich Wing is a personal attack and an insult.
>
> >> > Duhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
>
> >> > Have a good cry.  Its fun to watch
>
> >> > On Jan 19, 9:50 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> You are evading or avoiding my questions.
>
> >> >> 1- Please show me specifically where it says anything about "Nazis" in
> >> >> THIS
> >> >> post.
>
> >> >> 2- Please show me exactly where i have cryed "like a 6 year old
> >> >>  girl about" anything at all?
>
> >> >> 3- Do you feel that personal insuts and vicious attacks on group
> >> >> members are acceptable in this forum?
>
> >> >> 4- How old are you? Are you aware that bullies and many children find
> >> >> humor in the vicious things that you find funny?
>
> >> >> On 1/19/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > You toss Reich Wing around like candy, and whine like a girl if
> >> >> > someone calls you a name, or cry "offensive" when challenged on your
> >> >> > crying offense.
>
> >> >> > ALL THE TIME
>
> >> >> > Its hilarious.  Please don't stop.  I always need a good laugh in the
> >> >> > morning, and you're a king.
>
> >> >> > On Jan 18, 10:07 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> Gregie-
>
> >> >> >> Please show me specifically where it says anything about "Nazis" in
> >> >> >> this
> >> >> >> post.
> >> >> >> Also, please show me exactly where i have cryed "like a 6 year old
> >> >> >> girl about" antthing at all?
>
> >> >> >> I am waiting.
>
> >> >> >> To Repeat:
>
> >> >> >> The illegal invasion of Iraq was indeed in violation of both the
> >> >> >> United Nations Charter and also violated The Geneva Convention. See
> >> >> >> the Kucinich Articles of Impeachment I have provided previously for
> >> >> >> empirical proof and documentation.
>
> >> >> >> The "Bush Doctrine" was indeed illegal, and the war criminals
> >> >> >> responsible should be prosecuted.
>
> >> >> >> The blood is on the hands of the Republican party of low.
>
> >> >> >> On 1/18/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > What fun it is to see Tommy News cry like a 6 year old girl about
> >> >> >> > being offended and called names, while in the same post calling
> >> >> >> > any
> >> >> >> > and everyone on the right Nazis.
>
> >> >> >> > Its Mel Brooks comedy, but the dif is, Mel is smart.
>
> >> >> >> > --
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> >> >> >> Have a great day,
> >> >> >> Tommy
>
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> >> Have a great day,
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> Have a great day,
> Tommy

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Re: democrats -- the party of low

Lil' Tommie?  Don't you see how hateful that last little missive is of yours?
 
"Reich Wing means potentially dangerous far right wing extremist wingnut, like Michelle Bachman, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, and Timothy
McVeigh."
 
All of the aforementioned, with the exception of Timothy McVeigh, are not dangerous, they are not potentially dangerous,  and they are no more associated with Timothy McVeigh than you are Fred Phelps, (D)  Bill Ayers (D)  or Bernadine Dorn (D). 
 
But you see nothing wrong with making "dangerous" or "potentially dangerous"  allegations;  when in fact, it is you and your ilk that threaten our very existence. 
 
Wake up and smell the coffee Lil' Tommie!!
 
 
 



On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Tommy News <tommysnews@gmail.com> wrote:
Reich Wing does not mean Nazi. You are saying things which were never said.

Reich Wing means potentially dangerous far right wing extremist
wingnut, like Michelle Bachman, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter, and Timothy
McVeigh.


On 1/19/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Oh, THIS post.  LOL
>
> You toss Reich Wing around like candy and then have balls to ask, 'Do
> you feel that personal insuts and vicious attacks on group members are
> acceptable in this forum?"
>
> Guess what doof.  Reich Wing is a personal attack and an insult.
>
> Duhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!
>
> Have a good cry.  Its fun to watch
>
> On Jan 19, 9:50 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You are evading or avoiding my questions.
>>
>> 1- Please show me specifically where it says anything about "Nazis" in
>> THIS
>> post.
>>
>> 2- Please show me exactly where i have cryed "like a 6 year old
>>  girl about" anything at all?
>>
>> 3- Do you feel that personal insuts and vicious attacks on group
>> members are acceptable in this forum?
>>
>> 4- How old are you? Are you aware that bullies and many children find
>> humor in the vicious things that you find funny?
>>
>> On 1/19/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > You toss Reich Wing around like candy, and whine like a girl if
>> > someone calls you a name, or cry "offensive" when challenged on your
>> > crying offense.
>>
>> > ALL THE TIME
>>
>> > Its hilarious.  Please don't stop.  I always need a good laugh in the
>> > morning, and you're a king.
>>
>> > On Jan 18, 10:07 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Gregie-
>>
>> >> Please show me specifically where it says anything about "Nazis" in
>> >> this
>> >> post.
>> >> Also, please show me exactly where i have cryed "like a 6 year old
>> >> girl about" antthing at all?
>>
>> >> I am waiting.
>>
>> >> To Repeat:
>>
>> >> The illegal invasion of Iraq was indeed in violation of both the
>> >> United Nations Charter and also violated The Geneva Convention. See
>> >> the Kucinich Articles of Impeachment I have provided previously for
>> >> empirical proof and documentation.
>>
>> >> The "Bush Doctrine" was indeed illegal, and the war criminals
>> >> responsible should be prosecuted.
>>
>> >> The blood is on the hands of the Republican party of low.
>>
>> >> On 1/18/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > What fun it is to see Tommy News cry like a 6 year old girl about
>> >> > being offended and called names, while in the same post calling any
>> >> > and everyone on the right Nazis.
>>
>> >> > Its Mel Brooks comedy, but the dif is, Mel is smart.
>>
>> >> > --
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>> >> > For options & help seehttp://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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>> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> >> Have a great day,
>> >> Tommy
>>
>> > --
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>> Have a great day,
>> Tommy- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
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