Re: Reagan; Dubya; Orange Boner, Cryer of the House...

Greg-

Reagan did not end "The Soviet Empire".
The Soviet Union collapsed and ended while Reagan was president.
Reagan likely contributed somewhat to that collapse with his "
Star Wars" threats, but he did not cause the collapse directly.
He did, however, take political
credit for what he did not actually do, just as Dubya did later.

On 1/12/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Reagan ended the Soviet Empire, and if you don't believe me, ask Lech
> Walesa, Solzhenitzen, Pope JP II and Mikhail S. Gorbachev.
>
> Gimme a call when we name an aircraft carrier and our national airport
> after Bill Clinton, or lose track of his statues in Eastern Europe
>
> On Jan 12, 12:19 pm, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> One more point if I may <bitch>. Telling someone to "put the crack pipe
>> down" is defamatory at best. I tend to put my drug related insults in the
>> form of a question such as "have you been hogging the bong again Doc?" or
>> "have you taken your meds today?). A question – NOT an accusation. ;-)
>>
>> Yes, I have responded to trolls BUT I do it in such an EXTREME way
>> purposefully. Most non-trolls get it. Some do not and think I am a
>> nasty,
>> ranting idiot. I don't care.
>>
>> READ the Subject Line of this thread and tell me the purpose of the poster
>> was NOT to inflame ONLY. This garbage needs to stop or the group will be
>> a
>> cesspool for trolls and troll feeders. We all can decide if we want
>> bothered with that kind of garbage.
>>
>> CW
>>
>> From: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith In Köln
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:25
>> To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Reagan; Dubya; Orange Boner, Cryer of the House...
>>
>> Hello CW!
>>
>> Touche'....Point taken.
>>
>> KeithInKöln
>>
>> Klicken Sie auf "Bestätigen" und die oben ausgewählten Vorteile sind
>> automatisch in Ihrem persönlichen Bereich gespeichert!
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Exposing fraud on the Internet. Golly gee whiz "Keet", that is a big job!
>>
>> This applies to both Tommy and studio -
>>
>> let me http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/images/srpr/logo1w.png
>> <https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h...
>> =2&ik=9ea38ac31c&view=att&th=12d7a6fdf5e73025&attid=0.1&disp=emb&zw> that
>> for you
>>
>> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=troll+defined
>>
>> (Follow the link)
>>
>> Intelligent people do not feed the trolls. You continually respond to the
>> troll posts over and over again as if you expect a different response (the
>> definition of insanity) from the trolls. This type of thing certainly
>> doesn't indicate a "superior intellect" on your part and will deter others
>> from joining and participating in a group of trolls and troll feeders.
>>
>> CW
>>
>> PS Listing the many words to describe a leftist puke has grown tiresome.
>> I
>> would argue that most of Obama's inner circle are Maoists or Stalinists
>> but
>> we could save that discussion for another day I suppose. Stop listing
>> names
>> and descriptions and get to the point FCS!!! You have worn it out Keith.
>>
>> From: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith In Köln
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 03:57
>> To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Reagan; Dubya; Orange Boner, Cryer of the House...
>>
>> Again, if the group serves any purpose, it exposes fraud.
>>
>> KeithInKöln
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:06 PM, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wow, that's an awful lot of hate coming from someone on the left who
>> is always bitching about the hate coming from the right.
>>
>> On Jan 11, 1:24 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Speaking of Crystal Balls, It is well known that grade "D" actress and
>> > fashion plate Nancy Davis Reagan and her "psychic" friends were making
>> > Presidential decisions for and behind Ronnie.
>>
>> > In the context of Reagan's dimentia, it is worth reading Leslie
>> > Stahl's memoirs. She recalls that when she visited Reagan on her
>> > farewell visit after having covered the White House beat for all of
>> > his two terms in office, he had no idea who she was.
>>
>> > On 1/10/11, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > From our friend Jim:
>>
>> > > RE: Orange Boner, Cryer of the House, Sheds Crocodile Tears Again a...
>>
>> > > I thought that was a given that Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer's years
>> before
>> > > he
>> > > became President.
>>
>> > > (Before I go any further, I know whereof I speak concerning
>> Alzheimer's.)
>>
>> > > Like most people in the early stages of the disease, he was affable
>> > > and
>> > > able to parrot what was given to him to read and/or say.
>> > > With his experience of doing this for a living, he became the "Great
>> > > Communicator."
>> > > What he communicated was what his handlers told him to say.
>> > > To hide his deficiencies, Nancy was constantly at his side...prompting
>> him
>> > > and covering for him. She was his enabler.
>> > > That is the "normal behavior" for the spouse or significant other of
>> > > an
>> > > Alzheimer's patient. They will pursue it relentlessly, calling it
>> > > love,
>> no
>> > > matter how harmful the deception.
>> > > Ronald Reagan was never properly intellectually able to be President.
>> > > That meant nothing to the morally bankrupt ReTHUGlican Party.
>> > > Neither was DUH-Byah. Again, there was no concern because all they
>> needed
>> > > and wanted was a front (AKA Shill) to use as a diversion from their
>> > > destruction of America...for personal gain.
>>
>> > > Both Reagan and Bush were what I refer to as Post Turtles.
>>
>> > > Everybody knows a turtle cannot climb a fence post.
>>
>> > > Put one up there to create a diversion while you go about your
>> > > dastardly
>> > > deeds and then claim they are "Presidential policies."
>>
>> > > Think "trickle down economics" and the illegal invasion of Iraq.
>> > > Both...crimes against our nation for the benefit of the power
>> > > brokers.
>>
>> > > Neither of those two had enough sense to craft a policy on anything.
>> Much
>> > > less economics or war.
>>
>> > > Reagan, because of his Alzheimer's.
>>
>> > > Bush, because he's just plain stupid and a sociopath.
>>
>> > > Both were the malleable court jesters for the powerful forces that put
>> them
>> > > in office.
>>
>> > > We suffer from what happened during the term of office for both of
>> these
>> > > dunder heads. Our nation will continue to suffer for generations to
>> come.
>>
>> > > The latest twist or "innovation" on the Post Turtle theme is the Tea
>> Party,
>> > > financed and controlled by billionaires who are also sociopaths.
>>
>> > > With the current Gang of Five on the Supreme Court gutting the
>> Constitution
>> > > to suit the power brokers, we're in for much more...and worse...of
>> > > the
>> > > same insanity.
>> > > Our very existence as a nation is in jeopardy. Unlike the
>> ReTHUGlicans,
>> > > that is not empty hyperbole!
>> > > Stay tuned...
>> > > Jim
>>
>> > > I AM CONVINCED HIS ALZHEIMER'S WAS AFFECTING HIM BEFORE HE BECAME
>> > > PRESIDENT
>>
>> > > --
>> > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> > > Have a great day,
>> > > Tommy
>>
>> > --
>> > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
>> > Have a great day,
>> > Tommy
>>
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The Banality of Killing

The Banality of Killing
by Jacob G. Hornberger, January 12, 2011

The standard explanations for the Arizona killings are now being set forth, such as widespread violence in America and right-wing extremism. I'd like to weigh in with another possible factor, one that I can't prove but one that I think Americans ought to at least consider: the fact that killing has now become an accepted, essential, normal, and permanent part of American life.

No, I'm not referring to the widespread gun violence in America that liberals point to as part of their gun-control agenda. I'm not even referring to the widespread violence that accompanies the decades-long drug war, especially in Mexico. I'm instead referring to the U.S. government's regular killing of people thousands of miles away in Afghanistan and Iraq, killing that has now gone on regularly for some 10 years and that has become a fairly hum-drum part of our daily lives.

Six people were killed and 14 were injured in the Arizona shootings, including a woman who was shot through the head and a 9-year-old girl whose life was snuffed out. Everyone is shocked over the horror, which is detailed on the front page of every newspaper across the country.

But let's face it: Such killings go on every week in Afghanistan and Iraq and have for some 10 years. Parents, children, brothers, sisters, cousins, grandparents, friends, brides, grooms, and wedding parties. People are killed in those two countries every week, and the killing has now expanded to people in Pakistan.

We don't see those deaths on the front pages of American newspapers. They're buried on page 14 of the papers in small news reports, if at all.

Why don't those killings get front-page coverage?

One, the killings have become commonplace. They're now just considered normal. Massive death on a massive scale, but normal. We just put all the deaths at the back of our minds. The football playoffs are this weekend. Got to pay the bills this month. Life demands our attention. Anyway, it's not as if we, the American citizenry, are doing the killing. It's the military and the CIA that are doing it.

Two, our public officials say that we're at war and that people are always killed in war. Never mind that what we have in Afghanistan and Iraq are military occupations, not war. The idea is that a military occupation is a sort of war and, therefore, we shouldn't let the daily killings affect our consciences. Moreover, since we've been told that the war on terrorism is considered permanent, we just have to get used to the fact that the weekly killings will be a normal and regular part of our lives for as long as we live.

Third, we are told that the people being killed are terrorists, enemy combatants, or unfortunate collateral damage. Never mind that our public officials have had 10 years to kill terrorists and enemy combatants to their hearts' content but apparently still haven't gotten them all. Never mind that the terrorists and enemy combatants might well now consist primarily of people who are simply trying to oust their country of a foreign occupier, like people did when it was the Soviet Union that was doing the occupying. Never mind that the number of terrorists and enemy combatants continues to rise with each new killing. It's all just part and parcel of the new normality for American society.

In the process, life is cheapened ­ well, the lives of Afghans, Iraqis, and Pakistanis. The weekly killings of adults and children from those three countries are relegated to page 14 of the newspaper because they're just Afghans, Iraqis, and Pakistanis. It's not as if they're Americans, after all, people who place a much higher value on human life than others.

We mustn't forget how, for the last 10 years, the lives of Afghans and Iraqis have been expendable for the greater good of their society. How many times have we been reminded, for example, that the deaths of countless Iraqis have been worth the effort to bring democracy to Iraq? In fact, one of the most fascinating phenomena about the Iraq War, an illegal and unconstitutional undeclared war of aggression that the U.S. government waged against a country that had never attacked the United States or even threatened to do so, is that there has never been an upper limit on the number of Iraqi deaths that would justify the achievement of democracy in Iraq. Any number of Iraqi deaths, no matter how high, has been considered worth it.

We saw this same reasoning through 11 years of brutal sanctions on Iraq, which were imposed for the purpose of achieving regime change ­ the ouster of Saddam Hussein from power and his replacement by a pro-U.S. regime. When Bill Clinton's U.S. Ambassador to the UN, Madeleine Albright, was asked by Sixty Minutes whether the deaths of half-a-million Iraqi children had been worth it, her answer perfectly reflected the mindset of Washington officials for the past two decades: "I think this is a very hard choice, but the price ­ we think the price is worth it."

How much value is placed on the lives of people, including children, who are sacrificed for the greater good of society? Not much value at all. Life is supposed to be sancrosanct. But then again, don't forget that those are only Iraqi people we're talking about.

How can all this massive, regular, permanent death and destruction not affect and infect a society? Sure, it all takes place thousands of miles away. Sure, it's buried on page 14 of the newspaper. We don't see the caskets or the burials. We don't see the crying, the anguish, or the anger of the survivors. We just go about our daily business, deferring to authority. Our public officials know what is best. That is their job. We have to trust their judgment. If they say that American soldiers and CIA officials have to stay in Afghanistan and Iraq permanently and just go on killing people forever, then we, the citizenry, just have to accept that. If they say they have to expand the killing to Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia or wherever, then that is just the way things are. They are the experts. They are in charge.

In the process, everyone convinces himself that the people who are being killed are "bad guys" or people who just happened to be too close to the bad guys, including their wives, children, other family members, or friends.

Of course, the possibility that the U.S. government ­ the invader, the occupier, the interloper ­ is the "bad guy" doesn't even enter into most people's minds. The thought is too horrible, too terrifying. It might cause citizens to have to search their consciences. Easier to simply continue "supporting the troops" who are "defending our freedoms" by killing all those people on a regular, weekly basis.

The news media are reporting that the accused Arizona shooter, Jared Loughner, tried to join the U.S. military but was unsuccessful. The irony is that if he had been successful, he would have gone to Iraq or Afghanistan and participated in the weekly death-fest and, upon his return, public officials, pundits, media personalities, and even some church ministers would be hailing his heroism and thanking him for serving his country by killing Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, and others in the "defense of our freedoms" here at home.

Did the normalization and trivialization of killing and the denigration and devaluation of life in Afghanistan and Iraq trigger something inside the apparently disturbed mind of the accused Arizona killer? I don't know. But how can such actions not have a horrible long-term adverse effect on people whose government is permanently engaged in such evil?

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Born Gay

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Trey P>


I came across this article in my Google Reader: http://www.starobserver.com.au/news/international-news-news/2011/01/06/scientist-you-are-born-gay/41455

The brains of gay men and women look like those found in heterosexual people of the opposite sex, research suggests.

 

According to reports today from the BBC, the study suggests sexual orientation may be set in the womb

I haven't read the entire thing, and I certainly am not qualified to comment on the quality of the scientific study in question, but given that we know people's brains change according to how people actually use them, I am somewhat skeptical of the way the conclusions are described in the article.  I may be mistaken, but as described, it doesn't seem to follow that scans of fully-developed adult brains reveals a causal link between pre-natal development and adult sexual identity.

Anywhoodles, an interesting read all the same.

-3

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Re: Reagan; Dubya; Orange Boner, Cryer of the House...

At 02:13 PM 1/12/2011, you wrote:
>Reagan ended the Soviet Empire, and if you don't believe me, ask Lech
>Walesa, Solzhenitzen, Pope JP II and Mikhail S. Gorbachev.

The Soviet Empire ended while Reagan was president.

Regard$,
--MJ

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Re: Reagan; Dubya; Orange Boner, Cryer of the House...

Reagan ended the Soviet Empire, and if you don't believe me, ask Lech
Walesa, Solzhenitzen, Pope JP II and Mikhail S. Gorbachev.

Gimme a call when we name an aircraft carrier and our national airport
after Bill Clinton, or lose track of his statues in Eastern Europe

On Jan 12, 12:19 pm, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One more point if I may <bitch>.  Telling someone to "put the crack pipe
> down" is defamatory at best.  I tend to put my drug related insults in the
> form of a question such as "have you been hogging the bong again Doc?" or
> "have you taken your meds today?).  A question – NOT an accusation.  ;-)
>
> Yes, I have responded to trolls BUT I do it in such an EXTREME way
> purposefully.  Most non-trolls get it.  Some do not and think I am a nasty,
> ranting idiot.  I don't care.
>
> READ the Subject Line of this thread and tell me the purpose of the poster
> was NOT to inflame ONLY.  This garbage needs to stop or the group will be a
> cesspool for trolls and troll feeders.  We all can decide if we want
> bothered with that kind of garbage.
>
> CW
>
> From: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith In Köln
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 11:25
> To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reagan; Dubya; Orange Boner, Cryer of the House...
>
> Hello CW!
>
> Touche'....Point taken.
>
> KeithInKöln
>
> Klicken Sie auf "Bestätigen" und die oben ausgewählten Vorteile sind
> automatisch in Ihrem persönlichen Bereich gespeichert!
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Cold Water <coldwater...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Exposing fraud on the Internet.  Golly gee whiz "Keet", that is a big job!
>
> This applies to both Tommy and studio -  
>
> let me  http://www.google.com/intl/en_ALL/images/srpr/logo1w.png
> <https://mail.google.com/mail/html/compose/static_files/blank_quirks.h...
> =2&ik=9ea38ac31c&view=att&th=12d7a6fdf5e73025&attid=0.1&disp=emb&zw> that
> for you
>
> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=troll+defined
>
> (Follow the link)
>
> Intelligent people do not feed the trolls.  You continually respond to the
> troll posts over and over again as if you expect a different response (the
> definition of insanity) from the trolls.  This type of thing certainly
> doesn't indicate a "superior intellect" on your part and will deter others
> from joining and participating in a group of trolls and troll feeders.
>
> CW
>
> PS  Listing the many words to describe a leftist puke has grown tiresome.  I
> would argue that most of Obama's inner circle are Maoists or Stalinists but
> we could save that discussion for another day I suppose.  Stop listing names
> and descriptions and get to the point FCS!!!  You have worn it out Keith.
>
> From: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:politicalforum@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith In Köln
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 03:57
> To: politicalforum@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reagan; Dubya; Orange Boner, Cryer of the House...
>
> Again, if the group serves any purpose, it exposes fraud.
>
> KeithInKöln
>
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 8:06 PM, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Wow, that's an awful lot of hate coming from someone on the left who
> is always bitching about the hate coming from the right.
>
> On Jan 11, 1:24 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Speaking of Crystal Balls, It is well known that grade "D" actress and
> > fashion plate Nancy Davis Reagan and her "psychic" friends were making
> > Presidential decisions for and behind Ronnie.
>
> > In the context of Reagan's dimentia, it is worth reading Leslie
> > Stahl's memoirs.  She recalls that when she visited Reagan on her
> > farewell visit after having covered the  White House beat for all of
> > his two terms in office, he had no idea who she was.
>
> > On 1/10/11, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > From our friend Jim:
>
> > > RE: Orange Boner, Cryer of the House, Sheds Crocodile Tears Again a...
>
> > > I thought that was a given that Ronald Reagan had Alzheimer's years
> before
> > > he
> > > became President.
>
> > > (Before I go any further, I know whereof I  speak concerning
> Alzheimer's.)
>
> > > Like most people in the early stages of the disease, he was affable and
> > > able to parrot what was given to him to read and/or say.
> > > With his experience of doing this for a living, he became the "Great
> > > Communicator."
> > > What he communicated was what his handlers told him to  say.
> > > To hide his deficiencies, Nancy was constantly at his side...prompting
> him
> > > and covering for him. She was his enabler.
> > > That is the "normal behavior" for the spouse or significant other of  an
> > > Alzheimer's patient. They will pursue it relentlessly, calling it love,
> no
> > > matter how harmful the deception.
> > > Ronald Reagan was never properly intellectually able to be President.
> > > That meant nothing to the morally bankrupt ReTHUGlican Party.
> > > Neither was DUH-Byah.  Again, there was no concern because all they
> needed
> > > and wanted was a front (AKA Shill) to use as a diversion from their
> > > destruction of America...for personal gain.
>
> > > Both Reagan and Bush were what I refer to as Post Turtles.
>
> > > Everybody knows a turtle cannot climb a fence post.
>
> > > Put one up there to create a diversion while you go about your dastardly
> > > deeds and then claim they are "Presidential policies."
>
> > > Think "trickle down economics" and the illegal invasion of Iraq.
> > > Both...crimes against our nation for the benefit of the power  brokers.
>
> > > Neither of those two had enough sense to craft a policy on anything.
> Much
> > > less economics or war.
>
> > > Reagan, because of his Alzheimer's.
>
> > > Bush, because he's just plain stupid and a  sociopath.
>
> > > Both were the malleable court jesters for the powerful forces that put
> them
> > >  in office.
>
> > > We suffer from what happened during the term of office for both of
> these
> > > dunder heads.  Our nation will continue to suffer for  generations to
> come.
>
> > > The latest twist or "innovation" on the Post Turtle theme is the Tea
> Party,
> > >  financed and controlled by billionaires who are also  sociopaths.
>
> > > With the current Gang of Five on the Supreme Court gutting the
> Constitution
> > >  to suit the power brokers, we're in for much more...and worse...of the
> > > same  insanity.
> > > Our very existence as a nation is in jeopardy.  Unlike the
> ReTHUGlicans,
> > > that is not empty hyperbole!
> > > Stay tuned...
> > > Jim
>
> > > I AM  CONVINCED HIS ALZHEIMER'S WAS AFFECTING HIM BEFORE HE BECAME
> > > PRESIDENT
>
> > > --
> > > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > > Have a great day,
> > > Tommy
>
> > --
> > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time.
> > Have a great day,
> > Tommy
>
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