>> Disagreeable and Negative are synonymous.
I can disagree with you without being negative. You think the best
vacation is Cancun and I think St Thomas is the best. I am disagreeing
but hardly being negative.
I'm still waiting for you to point out where I was being negative and
cynical.
On Jan 11, 1:42 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Disagreeable and Negative are synonymous.
>
> Cynical is self explanatory.
>
> On 1/11/11, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And there you go making unfounded comments. Point out where/how I am
> > being negative and cynical. Disagreeable is a new claim, and obviously
> > since I'm not in agreement with you I am being disagreeable. If you
> > can't handle that you shouldn't be participating on discussion boards.
>
> > On Jan 11, 1:09 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> There you go being negative, cynical, and disagreeable yet again.
>
> >> On 1/11/11, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Where have I been negative and where have I been cynical?
>
> >> > I said her conclusion is wrong and explained why. That's not being
> >> > negative or cynical. She misrepresents what DADT is all about. The
> >> > concept of DADT is not that a gay can't perform the mission, it only
> >> > says we won't ask your sexual orientation and you won't tell us and
> >> > we'll all just get along.
>
> >> > Of course there are small minded yahoos who will demean anyone who
> >> > doesn't fit their 'acceptability' model. It's going to take a very
> >> > long time to breed them out of the human race. But I think most level
> >> > headed folks, even those who have issues with gays, understand being
> >> > gay doesn't preclude them from performing heroic deeds. That you don't
> >> > understand this is your problem, not ours. Personally, I took nothing
> >> > more out of the article when "gay" was added to it because I've known
> >> > all along gays are every bit as capable as heterosexuals to do what he
> >> > did.
>
> >> > On Jan 11, 12:15 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> You seem to be a negative cynic who disagrees with most everything.
>
> >> >> "It's still far too easy for a small-minded yahoo to champion
> >> >> discrimination based on orientation and race, and it's just as easy
> >> >> for another small-minded yahoo somewhere else to believe the red
> >> >> states are indeed "meccas of racism and bigotry." If any good can come
> >> >> out of something as unfathomably horrible as Saturday's mass shooting,
> >> >> let it be that it shakes up a few preconceptions. That it shows the
> >> >> world that a hero can be gay or straight, can speak English or Spanish
> >> >> or both, and that stupid laws can exist in places full of good people.
> >> >> And anyone who has any doubt of what kind of person deserves to serve
> >> >> next to him in battle, or stand before their community and declare
> >> >> their love, or go to school, or walk down the street without being
> >> >> asked for paperwork needs to hear that and remember that, again and
> >> >> again until it sinks in. Yes, the "gay Hispanic American" saved a life
> >> >> on Saturday, and yes, it does matter."
>
> >> >> On 1/11/11, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > I did read the article, but I think her conclusion is wrong. No one
> >> >> > has ever said a gay person could not perform in the military. DADT
> >> >> > certainly didn't make that argument. The argument has always been
> >> >> > that
> >> >> > the presence of a gay man amongst heterosexual men might be
> >> >> > uncomfortable and cause problems in an environment where privacy is
> >> >> > often non-existent and where good comradely can be the difference
> >> >> > between life and death.
>
> >> >> > On Jan 11, 11:44 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> If you had bothered to read the articles and links I just provided,
> >> >> >> you would have seen why it matters very much.
>
> >> >> >> To repeat:
>
> >> >> >> Gabrielle Giffords Assistant is Gay and it Matters Says Salon.com
>
> >> >> >>http://www.shewired.com/Article.cfm?ID=26427
>
> >> >> >> On 1/11/11, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> > The second thread was accidental, but it is proving to be
> >> >> >> > important.
>
> >> >> >> > There are many other articles which do in fact point to the fact
> >> >> >> > that
> >> >> >> > Hernandez the Hero is gay.
>
> >> >> >> > Keith, your statements are pathetic and homophobic. laced with
> >> >> >> > animus,
> >> >> >> > denial, and vile Conservative hatred.
>
> >> >> >> > Here is empirical proof and documentation:
>
> >> >> >> > Go to these links and read these Headlines and articles. There are
> >> >> >> > plenty
> >> >> >> > more.
>
> >> >> >> > Gay Intern Credited with Keeping Rep. Giffords Alive
>
> >> >> >> >http://blogout.justout.com/?p=25937
>
> >> >> >> > Gay Intern Helped Save Congresswoman Gifford's Life
>
> >> >> >> >http://www.gayapolis.com/news/artdisplay.php?artid=6224
>
> >> >> >> > US Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Arizona, a strong supporter of gay
> >> >> >> > rights
>
> >> >> >> >http://miamiherald.typepad.com/gaysouthflorida/2011/01/us-rep-gabriel...
>
> >> >> >> > Gabrielle Giffords Assistant is Gay and it Matters Says Salon.com
>
> >> >> >> >http://www.shewired.com/Article.cfm?ID=26427
>
> >> >> >> > Two gay heroes thwart assassinations -- what a difference 35 years
> >> >> >> > make
>
> >> >> >> >http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2011/01/two-gay-heroes-thwart-as...
>
> >> >> >> > Westboro Baptists Thank God For Giffords Shooting, Will Picket
> >> >> >> > Funerals
>
> >> >> >> >http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/westboro_baptists_t...
>
> >> >> >> > LGBT Groups Rally Around Congresswoman Giffords
>
> >> >> >> >http://www.edenfantasys.com/sexis/sex-and-society/lgbt-groups-rally-g...
>
> >> >> >> > On 1/11/11, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> What's with starting a second, identical thread on the same
> >> >> >> >> article?
>
> >> >> >> >> And the fact remains, you cited an article that never once
> >> >> >> >> mentions
> >> >> >> >> his being gay, yet you made that a big point of the thread title
> >> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> opening comment. Why did you do that? It has no bearing on what
> >> >> >> >> happened. Is this some sort of gay pride issue for you... that
> >> >> >> >> someone
> >> >> >> >> who is gay is capable of doing something brave and intelligent?
> >> >> >> >> If
> >> >> >> >> that's the case, you've set the gay movement back several years.
>
> >> >> >> >> On Jan 10, 8:25 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> Daniel Hernandez, gay 20 year old intern, likely saved Rep.
> >> >> >> >>> Gabrielle
> >> >> >> >>> Giffords' life with first aid
>
> >> >> >> >>> Daniel Hernandez had been U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' intern
> >> >> >> >>> for
> >> >> >> >>> five days when she was shot Saturday outside Tucson.
>
> >> >> >> >>> The junior at the University of Arizona was helping check people
> >> >> >> >>> in
> >> >> >> >>> at
> >> >> >> >>> the "Congress on Your Corner" event when he heard gunfire. He
> >> >> >> >>> was
> >> >> >> >>> about 30 feet from the congresswoman. When the shots began, he
> >> >> >> >>> ran
> >> >> >> >>> toward them.
>
> >> >> >> >>> "I don't even know if the gunfire had stopped," he said Saturday
> >> >> >> >>> night
> >> >> >> >>> as he kept a vigil at the University Medical Center cafeteria,
> >> >> >> >>> gathered near a TV watching tributes and getting updates.
>
> >> >> >> >>> When the shots began that morning, he saw many people lying on
> >> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >> >>> ground, including a young girl. Some were bleeding. Hernandez
> >> >> >> >>> said
> >> >> >> >>> he
> >> >> >> >>> moved from person to person checking pulses.
>
> >> >> >> >>> "First the neck, then the wrist," he said. One man was already
> >> >> >> >>> dead.
> >> >> >> >>> Then he saw Giffords. She had fallen and was lying contorted on
> >> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >> >>> sidewalk. She was bleeding.
>
> >> >> >> >>> Using his hand, Hernandez applied pressure to the entry wound on
> >> >> >> >>> her
> >> >> >> >>> forehead. He pulled her into his lap, holding her upright
> >> >> >> >>> against
> >> >> >> >>> him
> >> >> >> >>> so she wouldn't choke on her own blood. Giffords was conscious,
> >> >> >> >>> but
> >> >> >> >>> quiet.
>
> >> >> >> >>> Ron Barber, Giffords' district director, was next to her.
> >> >> >> >>> Hernandez
> >> >> >> >>> told a bystander how to apply pressure to one of Barber's
> >> >> >> >>> wounds.
>
> >> >> >> >>> Barber told Hernandez, "Make sure you stay with Gabby. Make sure
> >> >> >> >>> you
> >> >> >> >>> help Gabby."
>
> >> >> >> >>> Hernandez used his hand to apply pressure until someone from
> >> >> >> >>> inside
> >> >> >> >>> Safeway brought him clean smocks from the meat department. He
> >> >> >> >>> used
> >> >> >> >>> them to apply pressure on the entrance wound, unaware there was
> >> >> >> >>> an
> >> >> >> >>> exit wound. He never let go of her.
>
> >> >> >> >>> He stayed with Giffords until paramedics arrived. They strapped
> >> >> >> >>> her
> >> >> >> >>> to
> >> >> >> >>> a board and loaded her into an ambulance. Hernandez climbed in
> >> >> >> >>> with
> >> >> >> >>> her. On the ride to the hospital, he held her hand. She squeezed
> >> >> >> >>> his
> >> >> >> >>> back.
>
> >> >> >> >>> When they arrived at the hospital, Hernandez was soaked in
> >> >> >> >>> blood.
> >> >> >> >>> His
> >> >> >> >>> family brought him clean clothes because the FBI took his for
> >> >> >> >>> evidence.
>
> >> >> >> >>> He waited at the hospital while she went into surgery. He needed
> >> >> >> >>> to
> >> >> >> >>> tell police what had happened. He overheard people walking by
> >> >> >> >>> talking
> >> >> >> >>> about how Giffords had died. He also heard this on NPR. Later,
> >> >> >> >>> he
> >> >> >> >>> learned she had lived.
>
> >> >> >> >>> "I was ecstatic," he said. "She was one of the people I've
> >> >> >> >>> looked
> >> >> >> >>> up
> >> >> >> >>> to. Knowing she was alive and still fighting was good news.
> >> >> >> >>> She's
> >> >> >> >>> definitely a fighter, whether for her own life, or standing up
> >> >> >> >>> for
> >> >> >> >>> people in southern Arizona."
>
> >> >> >> >>> The fact that Hernandez was nearby and able to react quickly
> >> >> >> >>> probably
> >> >> >> >>> saved Giffords' life, said state Rep. Matt Heinz, D-Tucson, and
> >> >> >> >>> a
> >> >> >> >>> hospital physician. He talked to Hernandez at the hospital after
> >> >> >> >>> the
> >> >> >> >>> shooting.
>
> >> >> >> >>> Eight hours after the shooting,
>
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>
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