DADT was made by executive order and can only be killed by executive
order or the courts. It has been killed, Obama is fighting it.... Why
would he do that ?? Only one reason I can think of... Muslim grade
school, Muslim dads (both), bows to muslim leaders, Recites the Koran,
doesa not wear US Flag lapel, does not salute the US flag, was a
member of Reverend Wrights "christian" church where he admits half the
members are indeed moslim....
Add all the above FACTS to the way Muslims feel about Gays and tell me
why he would SUE to keep DADT active when all it takes to end it is
HIS signature... NO VOTE NEEDED.
On Dec 11, 11:36 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well I disagree with part of that.
>
> President Obama wants DADT and DOMA repealed, but he wants the
> legislature to do it. He has said "Send me a bill".
>
> The Department Of Justice is obliged to uphold existing laws, even
> those the Administration disagrees with.
>
> On 12/11/10, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Thats neither my job nor perogative.
>
> > We OBVIOUSLY disagree ideologically/philisophically/any ogically.
>
> > THATS the reason I come here. If i want people to agree with me, I go
> > to FreeReblica, and I don't
>
> > We have had sprirted debates for sure, but I don't we've ended up in
> > blind insults
>
> > (If I have, I'm sorry - If you have so should be you)
>
> > Here it is, ok?
>
> > Congress has proven INCREDIBLY inept at getting rid of DADT. Blame
> > GOP or Dems, I don't care! The judicial branch HAS killed it, and if
> > not for a DOJ challenge, it would be 3 months dead - end of story,
> > Fuck congress, lets move on.
>
> > Its a kiss. A gift. STOP! Politics is over. The Judicial Branch
> > ruled it UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
>
> > It don't get more binding than that. WTF happens if Obama takes this
> > to SCOTUS, and the CONSERVATIVES uphold Virginia Philips' ruling.
>
> > We're talking more egg on faces than Omelettes for America, (Europe,
> > Asia, Africa...)
>
> > Why challenge a case you believe is RIGHT???
>
> > As PROVEN, no, there is NO obligation to do so. Judicial checks are
> > equal to the other 2.
>
> > Oh, and I thing DOMA is WORSE!
>
> > And yet here is Obama fighting for THAT too!
>
> > Point: Gay rights being left v right is BULLSHIT! Look at the LEFT!
>
> > God bless, mate, and keep up the banter.
>
> > On Dec 11, 10:45 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Thank you Greg.
> >> You are more Progressive than I had realized.
> >> Perhaps you can teach Keith and others a thing or two.
>
> >> On 12/11/10, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Get ready Tommy. . .
>
> >> > I couldn't agree more!
>
> >> > Please realize that I am adamently against both DADT and DOMA.
>
> >> > I am simply saying that neither POTUS, nor anyone else needs congress
> >> > to end DADT (and the ban). The judicial branch has already done it.
>
> >> > 3 equal branches. This is the judicial check. Roll with it!
>
> >> > Probably the musician in me (and there's a lot of that in me)
>
> >> > On Dec 11, 10:27 am, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> Tiny Keithie Keith Keithie-
>
> >> >> You have a dirty, offensive mind.
> >> >> You are Wrong again, again, and yet again.
>
> >> >> I do not have hate, lies and smear as you falsely and slanderously
> >> >> state and insult me over and over and over again.
>
> >> >> This explanation put forth demonstrates your misguided misconceptions
> >> >> and your blatant homophobia even further. Your thinking is not at all
> >> >> cognitive, it is deeply prejudiced.
>
> >> >> Most gays do not put their sexuality at the forefront of their lives.
> >> >> In fact, most choose to hide and surpress their sexuality, and their
> >> >> very essense, due to homophobia, opression, and persecution. While
> >> >> heterosexuals go around talking about their romantic encounters,
> >> >> relationsips, and crushes etc, ad nauseum.
>
> >> >> Many gays are chaste and even celebate, and most certainly do NOT
> >> >> flaunt their sexuality or dress in a flamboyant manner. Many look more
> >> >> ordinary and conservative than most heterosexuals. There are a few,
> >> >> but there are many heterosexuals who have flamboyant deress and
> >> >> behavior, and unusual sexualities and kinkly fetishes. Pinning those
> >> >> behaviors soley on a few gays is unfair and false.
>
> >> >> Your mischaracterizations, stereotyping, typecasting, and mind in the
> >> >> gutter demonstrates your deep prejudice and homophobia.
> >> >> You, Keith, are a judgemental prejudiced homophobic bigot.
>
> >> >> Yes, you are.
>
> >> >> On 12/10/10, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Lil' TommyTomTom,
>
> >> >> > This is where your hate, lies and smear get in the way of your
> >> >> > cognitive
> >> >> > thinking.
>
> >> >> > Because I am opposed to those individuals who put what they do in the
> >> >> > bedroom at the forefront of their lives; in other words, because I
> >> >> > am
> >> >> > opposed to those individuals that define their very existence by
> >> >> > their
> >> >> > sexuality, this does not make me a "Homophobe".
>
> >> >> > What you do behind closed doors might be wonderful. I don't know. I
> >> >> > will
> >> >> > never know. I don't care what it is that you do sexually.
>
> >> >> > I am opposed to those militants who are attempting to force their
> >> >> > sexuality
> >> >> > upon me, and the rest of America. I am opposed to parades in front
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > children with you donned in assless chaps, boas, and/or dressed as
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Statute of Liberty. I am opposed to you, and any other group or
> >> >> > entity
> >> >> > demanding more rights than what the rest of Americans enjoy, because
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > who
> >> >> > you sleep with.
>
> >> >> > You are correct, that there have been Gays in our United States
> >> >> > military
> >> >> > since 1776. None of them chose to get out and parade around,
> >> >> > announcing
> >> >> > who it is that they are boffing or honking on. This is how it
> >> >> > should
> >> >> > be.
>
> >> >> > KeithInDC
>
> >> >> > On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
>
> >> >> >> Wrong again Keith.
>
> >> >> >> Your homophobia is showing.
>
> >> >> >> Gays have been serving in the military, well, since before
> >> >> >> Alexander
> >> >> >> The Great and his lover Hephaesteon.
>
> >> >> >> The existing military code of conduct shoold be adequate for any
> >> >> >> behavior issues from a very few.
>
> >> >> >> By your logic, heterosexuals should be banned from the military as
> >> >> >> well due to criminals like Dubya, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, variuus
> >> >> >> felons, etc.
>
> >> >> >> Please also note that Military Enlistment of Felons Doubled under
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> Bush Administration.
>
> >> >> >>http://www.palmcenter.org/press/dadt/releases/military_enlistment_of_...
>
> >> >> >> Top Ten American War
> >> >> >> Criminals Living
> >> >> >> Freely Today
>
> >> >> >> Rense Exclusive
> >> >> >> By Douglas Herman
> >> >> >> 12-14-5
>
> >> >> >> A war crime is a punishable offense, under international law, for
> >> >> >> violations of the law of war by any person or persons, military or
> >> >> >> civilian. Every violation of the law of war is a war crime. Also,
> >> >> >> war
> >> >> >> crimes are those committed during wartime in violation of
> >> >> >> international conventions intended to protect civilian populations
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> prisoners of war. You will note that many on this list, categorized
> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> war criminals, ironically, are among the most powerful and wealthy
> >> >> >> US
> >> >> >> citizens
>
> >> >> >> Robert McNamara. Former US Secretary of Defense, helped kill
> >> >> >> approximately 2-3 million, mostly poor Vietnamese, Cambodians and
> >> >> >> Laotians. Not to mention a sizeable portion of the 58,000 dead US
> >> >> >> servicemen pressed into that war. Not to mention that equal number
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> US veterans who committed suicide in the years to follow. McNamara
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> an Elder Statesman now, walking around freely today.
>
> >> >> >> Henry Kissinger. Former US Secretary of State, had a hand in the
> >> >> >> killings mentioned above. Plus condoned thousands of additional
> >> >> >> killings in Chile, under the sponsorship of US foreign policy. Won
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts. Elder Statesman, walking around
> >> >> >> freely today.
>
> >> >> >> George HW Bush. Former super spy, former US President, the first to
> >> >> >> graduate from the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) into the
> >> >> >> presidency and bring lessons learned at CIA headquarters directly
> >> >> >> into
> >> >> >> US policy. While serving under Ronald Reagan, helped encourage the
> >> >> >> Iraq-Iran war, resulting in deaths of one million people, allowing
> >> >> >> US
> >> >> >> oil and arms dealers to profit greatly. During the 'Eighties,
> >> >> >> helped
> >> >> >> encourage US sponsored military dictators in Latin America, guilty
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> extermination of thousands of ordinary citizens, via US-trained
> >> >> >> "death
> >> >> >> squads." Conducted pre-emptive war with Panama, resulting in
> >> >> >> 1,000-4,000 deaths, simply to topple former CIA henchman and drug
> >> >> >> lord, Manuel Noriega. Elder Statesman, walking around freely today,
> >> >> >> basking in limelight.
>
> >> >> >> George W. Bush. Two term US president, elected using electronic,
> >> >> >> "black box" voting methods that permit no verification of actual
> >> >> >> vote
> >> >> >> count. Conducted two pre-emptive wars, resulting in excess of
> >> >> >> 100,000
> >> >> >> US. Iraqi and Afghani deaths. Condones the use of torture as US
> >> >> >> policy. Condones rejection of the Geneva Convention, becoming the
> >> >> >> first US president to openly do so. Considers the US Constitution "A
> >> >> >> Goddamned piece of paper." Embattled Statesman, walking around
> >> >> >> freely
> >> >> >> today.
>
> >> >> >> Dick Cheney. Former US Secretary of Defense, and signator of the
> >> >> >> PNAC,
> >> >> >> and current Vice President. Accused mastermind of the 911
> >> >> >> "terrorist"
> >> >> >> attack against the US (unproven), Cheney has been called "The Vice
> >> >> >> President For Torture" by the Washington Post. A staunch supporter
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the Middle Eastern War Without End, Cheney, like Wolfowitz and
> >> >> >> Rumsfeld bears particular responsibility for the conduct of the war.
> >> >> >> Elder Statesman, walking around freely today.
>
> >> >> >> 8. Paul Wolfowitz. Former US Deputy Secretary of Defense and
> >> >> >> architect
> >> >> >> of the Middle Eastern War Without End. Casualties in two pre-emptive
> >> >> >> wars now exceed 100,000 deaths, not including the estimated 2,000+
>
> ...
>
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