On Jul 8, 3:40 pm, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> do you remember who prompted Bush into war on the ME?
> the same Bush who campaigned on a no-nation building platform?
>
> no, the US is not in a war with the muzzies, but Israel is, and
> they're calling the shots
>
> some don't forget
>
> On Jul 8, 2:49 pm, euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >http://www.michigandaily.com/content/bush-us-not-war-islam
>
> > On Jul 8, 9:11 am, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.6644/pub_detail.asp
>
> > > July 3, 2010
> > > The Insidious Ground Zero Mosque
>
> > > Edward Cline<http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/authors/id.93/author_detail.asp>
>
> > > I will begin with a comparison between two buildings, because a question of
> > > property rights entered recent debates and disputations about the propriety
> > > of the Ground Zero mosque, the rightness or wrongness of opposing its
> > > construction, and the nature of Islam itself. This mosque, to be called
> > > "Cordoba House," is just a brief walk from Ground Zero in New York City. Its
> > > construction, to replace a private office building damaged on 9/11, has been
> > > approved by a city council. But, first allow me to discuss another building.
>
> > > Years ago Korean Sun Myung
> > > Moon<http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,908807-2,00.html>,
> > > leader of the Unification Church, bought a defunct, former first-class hotel
> > > in Manhattan, the New
> > > Yorker<http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F50812FD3458167493C1A...>,
> > > and turned it into a center for the propagation of his religion, and also as
> > > a dorm and office space for his local followers. Doubtless many readers
> > > remember the Moonies, converts who had to be "de-programmed" by their
> > > parents of the brainwashing these young adults had experienced in Moon's
> > > "madrassas."
>
> > > There were countless numbers of them all over the country, knocking on doors
> > > and spreading literature about the Unification Church. They were as annoying
> > > as Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, but as immune to reason as any Witness
> > > and Mormon traveling recruiter. And about as dangerous. They were squeaky
> > > clean, nicely dressed and well-behaved. One had the impression they were
> > > manufactured on an assembly line.
>
> > > But, when Moon bought the hotel, no one objected. It was private property. I
> > > am guessing that Moon got tax and zoning exemptions and the like from the
> > > city government because his was a religious organization, just as I am sure
> > > Faisal Abdul Rauf and his cohorts will get them for the Cordoba mosque, as
> > > well.
>
> > > It was inconceivable at the time that the Moonie elders were preaching
> > > anti-Americanism and Moonie jihad in the hotel. No one could imagine that
> > > they encouraged hate and called for conquest and replacing, with violence,
> > > if necessary, the Constitution of the United States with a Moonie Compact of
> > > Love and Peace. No one imagined that bombs and suicide vests were being
> > > assembled in the hotel basement, or that classes were being held on how to
> > > rig a vehicle to explode with the maximum number of casualties. Moonies who
> > > happened to live around town outside of the hotel were not regarded with
> > > suspicion by their neighbors or the authorities. No one contested Moon's
> > > right to turn the property into a center for his creed (which is an amalgam
> > > of pacifist tenets borrowed from other creeds, but especially the Christian).
>
> > > The idea that the Moonies were planning something awful and homicidal and
> > > destructive never occurred to anyone -- because no one had any reason to
> > > doubt the "benign" purposes of the hotel purchase. More often than not, Moon
> > > and his followers were the butt of jokes. (Try making a public joke about
> > > Islam, or Mohammad, or Allah today.) And, nothing happened. No car bombs
> > > exploded in Times Square, no massacres of commuters occurred in Grand
> > > Central Station. No planes were hijacked and flown into the Empire State
> > > Building.
>
> > > The Moonies have faded from memory. The Islamists, however, do not want us
> > > to forget Islam.
>
> > > Islam is not a Moonie religion. Moon's religion did not attempt to
> > > incorporate or integrate a political agenda with its theological agenda.
> > > Islam does. Moon did not declare war on America from South Korea. Islam's
> > > leading lights have, Shiite and Sunni, from all quarters where Islam reigns
> > > supreme. The religious and political elements of Islam are mutually
> > > supportive, complementary, and coextensive. They are based, in the Koran, on
> > > *action* -- by force or fraud or dissimulation -- with the sole object of
> > > conquest and anchoring Islam in the host, and soon-to-be vanquished country.
>
> > > Someone remarked to me: We are not at war with Islam. War is tanks and
> > > machine guns and going over the top. We cannot be at war with an ideology.
>
> > > Yes, we are at war with Islam. Just as we have been at war with Kant and his
> > > philosophical successors, and with John Dewey, and Marxism -- in short, with
> > > every anti-individual, anti-life, anti-rights, anti-mind philosophy. it is a
> > > war of ideas. "War" is not strictly a metaphor for the conflict that is
> > > raging right now under our noses. Islam is a body of ideas totalitarian in
> > > nature, designed to wipe out the individual and inculcate mindless obedience
> > > to irrational and arbitrary dictats spoken by an angel to a barbarian
> > > prophet. From a ghost. The "war" is a battle for men's minds.
>
> > > Reason seeks to enable men's minds. Islam seeks to cripple them. It is as
> > > simple as that.
>
> > > In this culture, it is irrelevant that neither President Bush nor President
> > > Obama (nor their immediate predecessors in the White House) ever declared
> > > "war" against Islam, or against states that sponsor terrorism. If by chance
> > > we declared war on Iran -- with full, but belated justification -- that
> > > would be perceived on the Muslim or Arab Street as a declaration of war on
> > > Islam. Fine, I would answer. Have it your way. You are a tribe of manqués
> > > and we are about to take down one of your kingpins. Send Allah your
> > > Imprecations to slay us. But do not take it out on your moral superiors if
> > > nothing happens.
>
> > > Many believe that opposing the Ground Zero mosque would be a violation of
> > > property rights. But where do property rights enter the picture? They do
> > > not, as least as far as mosque-building Muslims are concerned. Mosques are
> > > centers of indoctrination and propaganda, and of exhortations to wage war
> > > against the infidel -- us. Mosques are venues for spreading and entrenching
> > > Islam. They are field headquarters of conquest, and they have sprung up all
> > > over the country. The piety and good citizenship standing of the flocks of
> > > rank-and-file Muslims are irrelevant. They subscribe to the ideology, do not
> > > question it, and remain silent when their brethren blow up things and kill
> > > people. Their creed commands the silence, but it is still a matter of
> > > choice, of volition, and Muslims as a rule choose to remain silent. No man
> > > of reason should sympathize with them.
>
> > > Some have cited the 14th Amendment as an intrinsic good to be brought to the
> > > defense of the builders of the Ground Zero mosque, forgetting that, first,
> > > that Amendment has been violated countless ways by our own government, and
> > > second, that we are indeed at war with Islam and its advocates. To iterate:
> > > Just as we were at war with Nazism, another body of inimical ideas
> > > (Hitler<http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/>was its
> > > Mohammed, and he sought the help of Muslims to exterminate Jews in
> > > Palestine), we are at war with Islam. Islam respects neither individual
> > > rights, nor property rights, nor capitalism. It is a holistic vehicle for
> > > conquest and subjugation of all who do not subscribe to it. Period.
>
> > > Faisal Rauf may look like a kindly, gentle cleric, but that is the soft,
> > > friendly face of Islam. The Koran permits falsehoods, deception, and lies --
> > > *taqiya* -- in the name of Islam and Allah. The Grand Mufti of
> > > Jerusalemlooked harmless and well-meaning, too. Think again.
>
> > > Rauf, the leading light of the Cordoba mosque, has said publicly that the
> > > Cordoba mosque is intended, among other things, to be a venue for
> > > "interfaith dialogue."
>
> > > However, Walid Shoebat<http://thelastcrusade.org/2010/05/27/ground-zero-mosque-â??our-goal-is-to-establish-shariahâ? />,
> > > former terrorist but now a dedicated anti-Islamist, notes that, as a rule,
> > > public pronouncements by prominent Muslim spokesmen are consciously intended
> > > to say one thing for Western consumption, but these same spokesmen reveal
> > > their thoughts in Arabic. Rauf is a prime example:
>
> > > For that we searched Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf's own words – in the Arabic and
> > > not what he says in English to the western media. It should shock every
> > > American to find out that Faisal Abdul Rauf stated to the popular Islamic
> > > media Hadiyul-Islam on May 26th, 2010 in an article by Sa'da Abdul Maksoud.
>
> > > In it he states that an Islamic state can be established regardless of the
> > > government being a kingdom or democracy. In another article titled *"I do
> > > not believe in religious dialogue"* should alarm the ardent skeptic on the
> > > mindset of the Islamic visionary who advocates establishing Islamic lobbies
> > > throughout the West.
>
> > > The defenders of the mosque forget, or have never grasped as a first-hand
> > > understanding, that as we live in a mixed economy, we are also living in a
> > > culture of mixed epistemologies and metaphysics. The 14th Amendment is only
> > > as powerful as the culture that values and respects it, it is only
>
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