Re: Obama stops clean up to create bigger disaster

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On Jun 19, 8:17 pm, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bullshit. The offer was from the Dutch government to the US
> government. It was the EPA - the US government - that did not allow
> them in.
>
> On Jun 19, 8:26 am, euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The EPA refuses to allow Dutch
> > skimmers in because they are not 100% efficient?
> > -------
> > Though they did not meet the EPA requirements, BP was the one that
> > said they didn't need them, and wouldn't pay for them.
>
> > On Jun 18, 9:33 pm, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Life is more important than property.
>
> > > Very true but not applicable in this case. They shut the barges down
> > > because they couldn't confirm they had life vests and fire
> > > extinguishers. We're dealing with one of the greatest environmental
> > > disasters this country has ever seen and the USCG shuts down these
> > > barges for a safety checklist?  The EPA refuses to allow Dutch
> > > skimmers in because they are not 100% efficient?  These are
> > > indefensible decisions by the Obama administration. Rather than trying
> > > to defend Obama you should be asking why he has essentially sabotaged
> > > containment of the spill.
>
> > > I'm not one for conspiracy theories but clearly Obama could not have
> > > exploited this disaster to promote his energy policy had the spill
> > > been more effectively contained. I'm just saying…
>
> > > On Jun 18, 3:20 pm, euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire
> > > > extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and
> > > > allow the house to burn down
> > > > ----------
> > > > if it is an ongoing process, and one of the firetrucks could cause a
> > > > life to be lost because of safety considerations, it would be taken
> > > > out of service until it was safe. Life is more important than
> > > > property.
>
> > > > On Jun 18, 2:05 pm, frankg <fran...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > This is utter nonsense. So if my house is on fire but my fire
> > > > > extinguisher doesn't have a proper regulator, I should not use it and
> > > > > allow the house to burn down? The barges should have been allowed to
> > > > > continue to do their thing while inspections and/or corrections were
> > > > > made in parallel.
>
> > > > > This is just as foolish as the Obama Administration refusing the offer
> > > > > from the Dutch to bring in their skimmers because the skimmers are not
> > > > > 100% efficient at removing the oil from the water and so could return
> > > > > water to the gulf that still contains a tiny amount of oil.
>
> > > > > If all of these systems had been put in place immediately the
> > > > > environmental disaster would be but a fraction of what we currently
> > > > > have. Attempting to defend the USCG or EPA for these decisions is
> > > > > impossible. To bad we don't still have Bush in office -- at least then
> > > > > no one would be attempting to smooth all this mismanagement over as
> > > > > acceptable and proper.
>
> > > > > On Jun 18, 1:07 pm, euwe <machgie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Define unsafe
> > > > > > ----------
> > > > > > the ships were inspected and grounded because they did not have the
> > > > > > proper fire-fighting and life-saving equipment. They were therefore,
> > > > > > unsafe.
>
> > > > > > On Jun 18, 12:12 pm, dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Define unsafe - without regard to what the congress says is unsafe.  
> > > > > > > BTW did you realize that the Democratic Congress passed the OSHA bills
> > > > > > > back in the day.   Guess who did not have to abide by them.  The
> > > > > > > Congress!!   So the rest of us had to put up with the OSHA requirements
> > > > > > > but those who worked for Congress did not.   Guess the  Congress didn't
> > > > > > > believe their own laws then.   I would bet the same is true now.    You
> > > > > > > can bet that if a coast guard vessel is in trouble and all the CG ships
> > > > > > > do not have the required safety equipment, the CG still goes out.    
> > > > > > > They shouldn't because it would not be safe for them.\
>
> > > > > > > Boy are you ever easy!!
>
> > > > > > > euwe wrote:
> > > > > > > > The state sent out unsafe barges - the coast guard has a duty to see
> > > > > > > > that all seafaring vessels are safe. human life and all that.
>
> > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 11:34 am, dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> This is not about bp - this is about the state.   The state was the one
> > > > > > > >> that got them out there.   You are just trying to cover your idiocies.
>
> > > > > > > >> euwe wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >>> They followed standard operating procedures - bp is not above the law.
>
> > > > > > > >>> On Jun 18, 11:09 am, dick thompson <rhomp2...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >>>> To euwe.   Now explain just what this all accomplished by and for the
> > > > > > > >>>> Coast Guard.   Obviously the CG screwed up and they and you are trying
> > > > > > > >>>> to cover their asses.
>
> > > > > > > >>>> bruce majors wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>   BP Oil Spill: Against Gov. Jindal's Wishes, Crude-Sucking Barges
> > > > > > > >>>>>   Stopped by Coast Guard
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>     59 Days Into Oil Crisis, Gulf Coast Governors Say Feds Are Failing
> > > > > > > >>>>>     Them
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> 696 comments
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/...>
> > > > > > > >>>>> *By DAVID MUIR and BRADLEY BLACKBURN*
> > > > > > > >>>>> June 17, 2010
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Eight days ago, Louisiana
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/Louisiana> Gov. Bobby Jindal
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/Bobby-Jindal> ordered barges to
> > > > > > > >>>>> begin vacuuming crude oil
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/bp-oil-spill-thick-crude-hits-shore-wo...> out
> > > > > > > >>>>> of his state's oil-soaked waters. Today, against the governor's
> > > > > > > >>>>> wishes, those barges sat idle, even as more oil flowed toward the
> > > > > > > >>>>> Louisiana shore.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Louisiana Governor Jindal frustrated over decision-making red tape.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> "It's the most frustrating thing," the Republican
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/U.S.-Republican-Party> governor
> > > > > > > >>>>> said today in Buras, La. "Literally, yesterday morning we found out
> > > > > > > >>>>> that they were halting all of these barges."
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> *Watch "World News" for David Muir's report from Louisiana tonight.*
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Sixteen barges sat stationary today, although they were sucking up
> > > > > > > >>>>> thousands of gallons of BP's oil as recently as Tuesday
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/citizens-charge-10924636>. Workers in
> > > > > > > >>>>> hazmat suits and gas masks pumped the oil out of the Louisiana waters
> > > > > > > >>>>> and into steel tanks. It was a homegrown idea that seemed to be
> > > > > > > >>>>> effective at collecting the thick gunk.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> "These barges work. You've seen them work. You've seen them suck oil
> > > > > > > >>>>> out of the water," said Jindal.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> Related
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/bp-ceo-tony-hayward-oil-spill-10946517>
> > > > > > > >>>>> WATCH: BP CEO: 'No Evidence of Reckless Behavior'
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/bp-ceo-tony-hayward-oil-spill-10946517>
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/citizens-charge-10924636>
> > > > > > > >>>>> WATCH: Citizens Take Charge
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/citizens-charge-10924636>
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/bp-oil-spill-thick-crude-hits-shore-wo...>
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> BP Spill: Oil Thicker Than Ever on Shore
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Media/bp-oil-spill-thick-crude-hits-shore-wo...>
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>         Coast Guard Orders Barges to Stop
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> So why stop now?
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> "The Coast Guard came and shut them down," Jindal said. "You got men
> > > > > > > >>>>> on the barges in the oil, and they have been told by the Coast Guard,
> > > > > > > >>>>> 'Cease and desist. Stop sucking up that oil.'"
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> A Coast Guard representative told ABC News today that it shares the
> > > > > > > >>>>> same goal as the governor.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> "We are all in this together. The enemy is the oil," said Coast Guard
> > > > > > > >>>>> Lt. Cmdr. Dan Lauer.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> But the Coast Guard ordered the stoppage because of reasons that
> > > > > > > >>>>> Jindal found frustrating. The Coast Guard needed to confirm that there
> > > > > > > >>>>> were fire extinguishers and life vests on board, and then it had
> > > > > > > >>>>> trouble contacting the people who built the barges.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>         Louisiana Governor Couldn't Overrule Coast Guard
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> The governor said he didn't have the authority to overrule the Coast
> > > > > > > >>>>> Guard's decision, though he said he tried to reach the White House
> > > > > > > >>>>> <http://topics.abcnews.go.com/topic/White-House> to raise his concerns.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> "They promised us they were going to get it done as quickly as
> > > > > > > >>>>> possible," he said. But "every time you talk to someone different at
> > > > > > > >>>>> the Coast Guard, you get a different answer."
>
> > > > > > > >>>>> After Jindal strenuously made his case, the barges finally got the
> > > > > > > >>>>> go-ahead today to return to the Gulf and get back to work, after more
> > > > > > > >>>>> than 24 hours of sitting idle.
>
> > > > > > > >>>>>     * 1
> > > > > > > >>>>>     * | 2
> > > > > > > >>>>>       <http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bp-oil-spill-gov-bobby-jindals-wishes-crude/...>
>
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