Re: Jesus Akbar

I don't think you got the right interpretation
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opinion noted

On Jun 19, 9:51 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think you got the right interpretation.  Here's a different
> perspective:
>
> http://www.meetingwithchrist.com/E053%20I%20came%20to%20bring%20a%20w...
>
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 4:38 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
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> > a small scourge or whip of reeds or grass
> > ---
> > a whip made of reeds or grass can tear flesh
>
> > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
> > ---
> > opinion noted ... not shared
> > ok ... here's a couple more:
> > Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send
> > peace, but a sword.
> > But those enemies of mine who do did not want me to be king over them--
> > bring them here and kill them in front of me.
>
> > Trying to defend xianity and judaism while vilifying islam is folly.
> > They're all violent and cruel to each other.
>
> > On Jun 19, 9:19 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Going back to the original Greek we find that he made a small scourge
> > > or whip of reeds or grass...  Such "whips" were a SYMBOL of power and
> > > can do no real harm...
>
> > > The farmers here use them on their cattle as well... It is simply
> > > something to wave in the air that makes the cattle move.
>
> > > Got anything else Plainol?? This one doesn't wash.
>
> > > On Jun 19, 8:04 am, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is advocated?
> > > > ---
> > > > jesus, the mythical jew, took a whip to the moneychangers. Would he do
> > > > something he wouldn't advocate others doing?
>
> > > > On Jun 19, 6:49 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Where, in the New Testament do you believe that violence is
> > advocated?
>
> > > > > On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:27 PM, plainolamerican <
> > plainolameri...@gmail.com
>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > passages that advocate violence can be found in the Koran, Talmud
> > and
> > > > > > NT.
>
> > > > > > pick your poison
>
> > > > > > On Jun 18, 4:20 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >   Jesus Akbar
>
> > > > > > > Recently a Yale theologian, Miroslav Volf, came to a Christian
> > school,
> > > > > > > Lipscomb<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V..
> > > > > > .>University,
> > > > > > > and talked about how Islam and Christianity can live in harmony
> > > > > > > and respect. He is part of a new industry in America, Christians
> > > > > > > constructing beautiful lies about Islam. Fundamentally, he says
> > that we
> > > > > > all
> > > > > > > worship the same god.
>
> > > > > > > *Volf says, "one of the best ways for people of different faiths
> > to get
> > > > > > > along is to study their scriptures together."*
>
> > > > > > > If we want to get along, then looking at looking at scriptures
> > is indeed
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > most excellent way to get to know each other. The problem is
> > that the
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > scripture Volf wants to study is the Koran. Any time that
> > someone wants
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > explain Islam by the Koran, you are dealing with someone who is
> > ignorant
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > a deceiver.
>
> > > > > > > The Koran proclaims in 91 verses that every Muslim is to model
> > their life
> > > > > > > after the example (Sunna) of Mohammed, but the Sunna of Mohammed
> > is found
> > > > > > > only in the Sira and the Hadith. The Koran is only 14% of the
> > Islamic
> > > > > > > sacred texts. Mohammed, not Allah, is 86% of the textual
> > doctrine. Volf,
> > > > > > > however, ignores Mohammed and only wants to talk about Allah.
> > There is a
> > > > > > > very good reason for this. Allah is so conveniently abstract
> > that he can
> > > > > > > construct his Allah-equals-the-Trinity-god by cherry-picking
> > verses and
> > > > > > > muddle through as if he were in a dormitory philosophy bull
> > session.
>
> > > > > > > While Volf is comparing scriptures, he should point out that the
> > Koran
> > > > > > says
> > > > > > > that Jesus of the Bible is a fraud and that the Gospels, Psalms
> > and Torah
> > > > > > > are corrupt. That inconvenient Koranic detail was not mentioned.
>
> > > > > > > Volf ignores a 1400 year history of Islam and Christianity and
> > all other
> > > > > > > religions. The jihad doctrine found in the Koran is the
> > foundation for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > murder of 270 million Kafirs (non-Muslims, including
> > Christians). He also
> > > > > > > ignores the over 18,000 Islamic terror
> > > > > > > attacks<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V..
> > > > > > .>since
> > > > > > > September 11, 2001. Why refer to a 1400 year history of
> > continuous
> > > > > > > persecution if it gets in the way of your arguments? What are
> > ugly facts
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > the face of a beautiful lie?
>
> > > > > > > *Volf: Two faiths, worshipping the same God, can work toward the
> > common
> > > > > > > good under a single government.*
>
> > > > > > > Hello, the only government that Allah wants is the Sharia. The
> > place for
> > > > > > > Christianity and Judaism in the Sharia is as the *dhimmi*, a
> > semi-slave.
> > > > > > > History is very clear that when the Sharia is put into place,
> > > > > > Christianity
> > > > > > > dies. It takes centuries, but Christianity is annihilated.
> > Christianity
> > > > > > can
> > > > > > > survive Communism and Nazism, but it cannot survive the Sharia.
> > When
> > > > > > Islam
> > > > > > > invaded what is now Turkey and installed Sharia, it was 100%
> > Christian.
> > > > > > > Here is a graph of what Sharia law did to the Christian
> > population.
>
> > > > > > >  *Volf : Allah offers a constructive way forward by reversing
> > the "our
> > > > > > God
> > > > > > > vs. their God" premise that destroys bridges between neighbors
> > and
> > > > > > nations,
> > > > > > > magnifies fears, and creates strife.*
>
> > > > > > > Mohammed, the prophet of Allah, did not just destroy bridges, he
> > > > > > destroyed
> > > > > > > civilizations. Mohammed attacked each and every neighbor until
> > the day he
> > > > > > > died. That is the Sunna of Mohammed (perfect example of a sacred
> > life).
> > > > > > > After he died, his Companions (Abu Baker, Umar and Uthman)
> > followed his
> > > > > > > Sunna just as he demonstrated, and they killed Christians as
> > fast as they
> > > > > > > could and placed them under Sharia law as dhimmis. By the time
> > the
> > > > > > > Companion caliphs died, they had destroyed the classical
> > civilization of
> > > > > > > the Greeks and Romans that was the matrix of Christianity. The
> > classical
> > > > > > > church in the Middle East with its incredible variety of
> > Christianity was
> > > > > > > annihilated by Mohammed and his personal students of jihad. The
> > > > > > > Christianity of today is a stump of the Christianity of the year
> > 630 AD
> > > > > > > when jihad began. Whole forms of early Christianity were
> > annihilated by
> > > > > > > Islamic jihad.
>
> > > > > > > And the Koran spoke wonderfully of Mohammed's jihad. In the
> > Koran written
> > > > > > > in Medina, about
> > > > > > > 24%<
>
> >http://click.icptrack.com/icp/relay.php?r=8149463&msgid=885467&act=6V..
> > > > > > .>is
> > > > > > > devoted to "fighting in Allah's cause", jihad.
>
> > > > > > > *Volf said, "Faith is often misused for political ends, which
> > frequently
> > > > > > > leads to violence."*
>
> > > > > > > Mohammed preached the religion of Islam for 13 years and
> > garnered 150
> > > > > > > converts. After he turned to politics and jihad and when he died
> > every
> > > > > > Arab
> > > > > > > was a Muslim. It was politics and jihad which made him
> > successful.
>
> > > > > > > The moral demand on Muslims is to practice jihad, deceive Kafirs
> > and
> > > > > > impose
> > > > > > > Sharia law. Islamic morality is dualistic. Islamic ethics have
> > one set of
> > > > > > > rules for Muslims and a second set of rules for Kafirs. Ethics
> > based on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Golden Rule have only one set of rules.
>
> > > > > > > *Thick spirituality, Volf said, is faith combined with morality,
> > which
> > > > > > > treats all people as equal in God's sight.*
>
> > > > > > > Yet we have Allah who hates Kafirs and who does not have a
> > Golden Rule.
> > > > > > > Only the Golden Rule makes people equal in God's sight. Allah
> > denies the
> > > > > > > Golden Rule. Go ahead, plow through the Koran and find the
> > Golden Rule.
> > > > > > Do
> > > > > > > the same for the Sira and the Hadith. No, the way Mohammed
> > treated you
> > > > > > > depended upon who you are. A Muslim is treated well, and a Kafir
> > is
> > > > > > treated
> > > > > > > to murder, rape, enslavement and deceit.
>
> > > > > > > A religion of the Golden Rule can lead to peace. A religion of
> > jihad and
> > > > > > > political Sharia leads to war. Islam will not admit to any fault
> > or take
> > > > > > > any credit for 270,000,000 dead over the last 1400 years. Look
> > at Islamic
> > > > > > > Turkey—Turkish Muslims murdered a million Armenians in 20th
> > century, but
> > > > > > > will not admit to this annihilation and genocide.
>
> > > > > > > Lipscomb professor David Fleer, one of the conference
> > organizers, said
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > Volf's experiences in Yugoslavia and his scholarship made him
> > the perfect
> > > > > > > speaker to address how religion and reconciliation intersect.
> > "He set
> > > > > > forth
> > > > > > > the theological foundation for us," Fleer said.
>
> > > > > > > Exactly why is this man an expert? An expert is made only by
> > studying the
> > > > > > > Sira, Hadith, Koran and Sharia—not his zip code. There is one,
> > and only
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > criteria for being expert on Islam—knowledge about Allah and
> > Mohammed.
> > > > > > Volf
> > > > > > > only talks about Allah.
>
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>
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