Re: The Right to Refuse Service

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:18 AM, plainolamerican <plainolamerican@gmail.com> wrote:

the struggle for power between the majority and minorities is
endless ... like the struggle between the religious and the sane

peace & light

On Apr 26, 9:42 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do any of you recall the outcry that Rand Paul received when he stated
> several years ago that he believed the Fair Housing Act and the Civil
> Rights Act of 1964 were unconstitutional?
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> I agree with Paul,  but moreover,  I think in this day and age, these laws
> are antiquated.  There is no need to force a private business into offering
> services to anyone.   It's called, "The Free Market"  for a reason, and as
> the writer points out, these laws do in fact impede our freedom(s).
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> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:55 PM, plainolamerican
> <plainolameri...@gmail.com>wrote:
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> > minorities will never stop screaming racism regardless of new laws or
> > rulings on old laws
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> > On Apr 25, 12:40 pm, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
> > > "Discrimination is neither not OK nor something not to continue. Every
> > individual and business owner should have the right to refuse service. In a
> > free society, every individual and business owner would have the right to
> > refuse service. It is part and parcel of the inviolability of private
> > property, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of association, the freedom
> > of contract, free enterprise, and the free market."The Right to Refuse
> > ServicebyLaurence M. Vance, April 25, 2012
> > > Back in 1994, the restaurant chain Denny s settled a class-action
> > racial-discrimination lawsuit for $54.4 million. Although the restaurant is
> > known for always being open and serving breakfast, lunch, and dinner at any
> > time, day or night, black patrons alleged that they had been refused
> > service, forced to wait longer than white customers, charged more than
> > white customers, and asked to prepay for service.
> > > The agreement resulted fromseparate lawsuitsfiled in California and
> > Maryland that were then expanded to include claimants in 48 other states.
> > In California, a black girl alleged that she had been refused the
> > restaurant s customary free birthday meal. In Maryland, six black U.S.
> > Secret Service agents alleged that they had been forced to wait an hour for
> > service while white customers were served ahead of them.
> > > In a strange twist of fate, Denny s restaurant parent company,
> > Advantica, was chosen by Fortune magazine in 2001 as the Best Company for
> > Minorities.More recently, Hands On Originals, a T shirt company in
> > Lexington, Kentucky, was picketed by Lexington s Gay and Lesbian Services
> > Organization (GLSO) for refusing to produce T shirts for the city s gay
> > pride festival to be held on June 30. The design featured a number 5 on the
> > front, with Lexington Pride Festival and the names of the event s sponsors
> > appearing on the back.
> > > Although the firm bid on producing the T shirts, the owners declined to
> > fill the order after they had been selected. The owners, who were not
> > initially aware that they were bidding on a gay-themed T shirt, explained
> > to the GLSO that, as a Christian organization, producing the T shirts would
> > be against their conscience. The owners did locate another T shirt business
> > for GLSO that would honor their low bid.
> > > Nevertheless, the GLSOfileda public-accommodation discrimination
> > complaint with the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Human Rights Commission,
> > alleging,On or about March 8, 2012, members of the GLSO were told that our
> > Pride Festival t shirt printing quote would not be honored due to the fact
> > that the t shirt company is a Christian organization. We were told that our
> > t shirts would not be printed. We believe that we have been discriminated
> > against in violation of Local Ordinance 201-99, based on sexual
> > orientation.Last month, an organized demonstration with picketing by about
> > 60 homosexual activists in front of Hands On Originals encouraged the
> > public to boycott the business. The Lexington school district has already
> > stopped purchasing merchandise from the company.
> > > One of GLSO s officers who attended the demonstration, Aaron Baker,
> > stated, Ultimately the owners of Hands On Originals need to recognize that
> > discrimination is not OK and need to make a commitment not to continue
> > that. But he also said that Hands on Originals does a lot of business in
> > this town, and people should be aware of the situation, so they can make an
> > informed decision about whether they want to buy from them.
> > > Baker is wrong, but he is also right.
> > > Discrimination is neither not OK nor something not to continue. Every
> > individual and business owner should have the right to refuse service. In a
> > free society, every individual and business owner would have the right to
> > refuse service. It is part and parcel of the inviolability of private
> > property, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of association, the freedom
> > of contract, free enterprise, and the free market. In a free society, as
> > Future of Freedom Foundation presidentJacob Hornbergermaintains,A person
> > has the fundamental right to associate with anyone he chooses and on any
> > basis he chooses. He might be the biggest bigot in the world, choosing only
> > to associate with white supremacists, but that s what freedom is all about
> > -- the right to make whatever choices one wants in his life, so long as his
> > conduct is peaceful -- i.e., no murder, rape, theft, fraud, or other
> > violent assaults against others.In a free society, business owners, like
> > homeowners, would have the right to run their businesses as they choose,
> > including the right to refuse service. And that s not all. In a free
> > society, business owners would have the right to discriminate in their
> > place of business on the basis of race, creed, color, religion, age,
> > gender, height, weight, disability, attire, familial status, marital
> > status, socioeconomic status, political preference, religious piety,
> > national origin, appearance, odor, sexual orientation, or anything else,
> > whether logical or illogical, reasonable or unreasonable, rational or
> > irrational. It couldn t be any other way and really be a free society.
> > > As it is now, although it is unlawful to refuse to serve certain classes
> > of people, it is not unlawful to give senior citizen discounts
> > (discrimination based on age) or free meals to groups such as children,
> > people celebrating birthdays, and police officers even though doing so
> > discriminates against adults, people not celebrating birthdays, and all
> > occupations besides police officers.
> > > Clearly, there is much confusion about discrimination in our relatively
> > free (as opposed to absolutely free) society overseen by regulators,
> > bureaucrats, and judges -- authoritarians, statists, and busybodies who
> > seek to use the force of government to compel others to associate or do
> > business with people they don t want to. Currently, if the patron of a
> > business or organization is not a member of a federally protected class,
> > the legal right to refuse service generally depends on whether the refusal
> > was arbitrary or whether there was a specific interest in refusing a patron
> > service. That leaves everything up to the whim of government regulators,
> > bureaucrats, and judges.
> > > Lest there be any misunderstanding, I should say that a free society has
> > nothing in common with the Jim Crow era. Jim Crow regulations, which
> > prohibited white businessmen from serving black customers, were maintained
> > by government force. They were the antithesis of the voluntary association
> > found in a free society. And not only did they harm blacks, they denied the
> > fundamental right of whites to associate and conduct business with them as
> > they saw fit.
> > > The basis of GLSO s public-accommodation discrimination complaint is the
> > Civil Rights Act of 1964. Listed among the goals in the preamble of the
> > Civil Rights Act is, in addition to enforcing the constitutional right to
> > vote, preventing discrimination in federally assisted programs, and
> > authorizing the Attorney General to institute suits to protect
> > constitutional rights in public facilities and public education, the
> > government s intent to provide injunctive relief against discrimination in
> > public accommodations.
> > > The government is using the word public in two different senses. As
> > Title II, Injunctive Relief against Discrimination in Places of Public
> > Accommodation, section 201 states,(a) All persons shall be entitled to the
> > full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, and
> > privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public
> > accommodation, as defined in this section, without discrimination or
> > segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin.(b)
> > Each of the following establishments which serves the public is a place of
> > public accommodation within the meaning of this title if its operations
> > affect commerce, or if discrimination or segregation by it is supported by
> > State action:(1) any inn, hotel, motel, or other establishment which
> > provides lodging to transient guests, other than an establishment located
> > within a building which contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire
> > and which is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as
> > his residence;(2) any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda
> > fountain, or other facility principally engaged in selling food for
> > consumption on the premises, including, but not limited to, any such
> > facility located on the premises of any retail establishment; or any
> > gasoline station;(3) any motion picture house, theater, concert hall,
> > sports arena, stadium or other place of exhibition or entertainment; and(4)
> > any establishment (A)(i) which is physically located within the premises of
> > any establishment otherwise covered by this subsection, or (ii) within the
> > premises of which is physically located any such covered establishment, and
> > (B) which holds itself out as serving patrons of such covered
> > establishment.But there is a big
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