Re: Time for a Drink

Federal law only trumps state law when applied in a manner that the
states
and the local sheriffs allow.
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so AZ's officials are agreeing with the feds on not enforcing federal
immigration laws?

n Mar 21, 3:28 pm, Mark <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Federal law only trumps state law when applied in a manner that the states
> and the local sheriffs allow. Its called the 10th Amendment. Unless it is
> specifically granted in the constitution it is up to the states. Most
> present laws are not mentioned in the Constitution and are subject to
> nullification.
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> On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 12:57 PM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
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> > Its called the 10th amendment.... Sovereign States have the Sovereign
> > right to make their own decisions
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> > but federal law trumps state law
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> > On Mar 21, 1:42 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Its called the 10th amendment.... Sovereign States have the Sovereign
> > > right to make their own decisions... Wouldn't it be great if ALL
> > > decisions that affected the populations of the Several States were
> > > made this way... to reflect the ideas and ideals of those states and
> > > localities? I think it would.
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> > > On Mar 20, 11:54 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
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> > > > "Some religious people always focus on the negative. They don't drink,
> > dance, smoke, chew, or go with girls who do -- but then they want to spread
> > the misery even if it means using the state to tell others how they should
> > live. It reminds me of H.L. Mencken's famous definition of puritanism: "The
> > haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.""Time for a Drinkby
> > Laurence M. Vance, March 20, 2012
> > > > While eating in a restaurant in the Atlanta airport recently, I
> > noticed that the restaurant's bar was closed and -- to make it perfectly
> > clear -- all the chairs had been turned over and placed on the bar.
> > > > Now, although I don't frequent bars in airports or anywhere else, I
> > was nevertheless intrigued. "The bar doesn't open until 12:30 on Sundays,"
> > said my waiter. But, as I found out later, it isn't just this particular
> > airport bar that didn't open until Sunday afternoon. In Georgia, no alcohol
> > may be served in restaurants or bars until after 12:30 on Sundays.
> > > > In fact, until just recently, alcohol sales in retail stores on
> > Sundays were prohibited by the Georgia legislature. On April 28, 2011,
> > Nathan Deal, Georgia's governor, signed legislation allowing local
> > communities the option of voting on whether to continue the Sunday
> > alcohol-sales ban in their cities and counties or to eliminate it.
> > Georgia's previous governor, Sonny Perdue, had always pledged to veto any
> > measure ending the ban on Sunday sales, but he left office on January 10,
> > 2011, constitutionally ineligible to seek a third consecutive term.
> > > > On November 8, 2011 (the first election date available under state
> > law), about 120 of Georgia's almost 700 cities and counties held
> > areferendumon the matter of Sunday alcohol sales. In more than 100
> > communities that voted, the Sunday restriction was lifted, in many cases by
> > large margins. The effective date of the repeal varied from November to
> > February. Sunday sales in Georgia's capital and largest city, Atlanta,
> > began on January 1, 2012.
> > > > The cost of having a single-issue ballot kept many communities from
> > having such a referendum. However, on March 6, voters in some Georgia
> > communities had more than a Republican presidential nominee to vote on in
> > the Super Tuesday elections. In 16 cities and counties, there also appeared
> > on the ballot the Sunday alcohol-sales question. The measure passed
> > everywhere it was voted on except in the city ofJeffersonville, where it
> > failed by one vote.
> > > > But Georgia is not alone when it comes to states that restrict alcohol
> > sales on Sundays. Unlike Nevada and Louisiana, where beer, wine, and liquor
> > sales are legal 24 hours a day, seven days a week, most states (or cities
> > and counties that have been given a local option) restrict alcohol sales in
> > some way on Sundays. A distinction is usually made between alcohol consumed
> > on-premises and alcohol purchased for consumption off-premises. In Indiana,
> > Tennessee, Oklahoma, Minnesota, and Connecticut, the sale of alcohol is
> > prohibited for consumption off-premises on Sunday. Most counties in
> > Arkansas and Mississippi are the same way. In Colorado, the Sunday sales
> > restriction wasn't lifted until 2008. Hard liquor cannot be sold for
> > off-premise consumption on Sunday in Texas, Utah, North Carolina, or South
> > Carolina. In Nebraska, there can be no on- or off-premises sales of hard
> > liquor before noon on Sundays. No alcoholic beverages of any kind can be
> > sold on- or off-premises before 1:00 p.m. on Sunday in West Virginia. Other
> > states (and cities or counties) with Sunday restrictions generally have a
> > later time on Sunday morning for alcohol sales (on- or off-premises) than
> > during the other days of the week.
> > > > Why?
> > > > It can't possibly be because the states, counties, and municipalities
> > are exercising what is commonly referred to as their police powers to
> > protect the public's health, safety, and morals.
> > > > If there is something dangerous about drinking alcohol on Sunday
> > morning before noon, then it is equally dangerous to drink alcohol before
> > noon on any other day of the week. Yet most states with Sunday
> > alcohol-sales restrictions generally allow the on-premises sale of alcohol
> > the rest of the week sometime between the hours of 6:00 a.m. and 9:00 a.m.
> > But what is so magical about 6:00 a.m.? Is there really any difference
> > between letting someone be served a drink at 5:30 a.m. instead of 6:00
> > a.m.? Some states prohibit the sale of alcohol only between 2:00 a.m. and
> > 6:00 a.m. Do they not care about the health, safety, and morals of their
> > citizens the other 20 hours of the day?
> > > > States are doing a poor job if they are protecting their citizens from
> > the dangers of alcohol only during certain hours and on certain days.
> > Shouldn't all states at least follow the model of Kansas, Mississippi, and
> > Tennessee? Those states are "dry" by default; individual counties must vote
> > to become "wet." Thirty other states allow their counties to go dry only by
> > public referendum, but at least they give their counties that option.
> > Seventeen states preclude any of their counties from going dry.
> > > > Consistency was never the hallmark of government at any level. In
> > Wisconsin, one can be served alcohol until 2:00 a.m. on Sunday through
> > Thursday, but until 2:30 a.m. on Friday and Saturday, with no ending time
> > at all on New Year's Day. That seems counterintuitive, since the government
> > is extending alcohol sales during the times when people aremore likelyto
> > abuse alcohol. And why is it that casinos all along the Mississippi River
> > are permitted to be open 24/7 and give free alcohol to gambling patrons all
> > hours of the day and night? Many convenience stores also sell pornography
> > in addition to beer and wine. There are no time restrictions on the
> > purchase of pornography. And there are no laws that forbid the purchase of
> > pornography on Sundays.
> > > > There is really only one reason that state and local governments and
> > voters in counties and cities support restricting alcohol sales on Sundays:
> > they are puritanical busybodies clinging to Prohibition- or Colonial
> > America-era blue laws.
> > > > It was generally religious preferences that led Georgians to vote
> > against the November referendum on the matter of Sunday alcohol sales. In
> > the city of Snellville,James Freedlevoted against the referendum, saying,
> > "I don't think it's appropriate to drink on Sunday." In the city of Forest
> > Park, Mayor and Sunday School teacherCorine Deyton, who also said she voted
> > no, commented, "If you can't do without alcohol one day a week, there's
> > something bad wrong with you." In rural Elbert County, one of the few areas
> > where the referendum failed to pass, church pianistPatsy
> > Scarboroughpointedly said, "This nation has a trend of turning away from
> > good morals. Americans need to be in church on Sunday, not out buying
> > alcohol." "Thanks for voting no to sell alcohol on Sunday," read a sign on
> > an Elbert County local church after the referendum failed.
> > > > But it's not just alcohol sales on Sunday. In some states and counties
> > it is still illegal on Sunday to hunt, hold horse races, sell cars, or open
> > a store before noon.
> > > > Now, as a religious person myself whodoesattend church on Sunday
> > anddoesn'tpurchase alcohol on Sunday or any other day of the week, I am
> > sympathetic to those Georgians' views of church attendance and alcohol.
> > That does not mean, however, that I believe that people who, for whatever
> > reason, don't attend church on Sunday should be punished by not allowing
> > them to buy a six-pack of beer at 7-Eleven on Sunday morning before they go
> > fishing.
> > > > Some religious people always focus on the negative. They don't drink,
> > dance, smoke, chew, or go with girls who do -- but then they want to spread
> > the misery even if it means using the state to tell others how they should
> > live. It reminds me of H.L. Mencken's famous definition of puritanism: "The
> > haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy."
> > > > The problem with alcohol prohibitionists -- religious or otherwise --
> > is that they, for whatever reason, have never accepted or been introduced
> > to the philosophy of freedom. Restricting the sale of alcohol or any other
> > product on Sunday is really a restriction on commerce, property, and
> > freedom, things that Americans -- religious or otherwise -- say they hold
> > dear.
> > > > In a free society, businesses make their own decisions as to the days
> > and times when they will offer their products for sale, just as individual
> > persons make their own decisions as to the day and time when, and place of
> > business where, they will make purchases. In fact, a free society can't
> > have it any other way.
> > > > No alcohol was consumed on Sunday during the writing of this article.
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