Hey Greg,
Mark pretty much summed it up and I think accurately. Michael is correct in that government, (the First State was California followed by Connecticut) who got into the regulation of marriage, and it was literally to prevent miscegenation.
I don't think that is the case today, in the New Milennium. The purpose of government being involved in the contractual arrangement of marriage is two or three fold. FIrst, it is a revenue generator, (albeit a modest revenue generator). Second, because of the amount of divorces, and the burden that these contract place upon the judiciary, there has to be some modicum of regulation.
As stated on each and every time this subject pops up, I am not opposed to civil unions for Gays, and for those heterosexual couples who are looking for some type of acknowledgement of their union, who do not understand or believe in the tenets of marriage from a ecclesiastical standpoint.
If It were up to me, I would in fact remove government from any involvement in marriage, which should be between a man, a woman and their God, period. The problem today, is that a secularist and predominately militant Gay movement is attempting to push the redefinition of marriage down the proverbial throats of Americans, and this is to further their secularist agenda, as well as to normalize the Gay, homosexual agenda.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:59 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:
There are no hospital visitation "RIGHTS". There is only hospital
policy. That policy is normally in line with the patients exact stated
wishes.
Taxes (I assume Federal)...The Feds may make any rule they wish as may
the States. Marriage is a permitted activity. If a State allows Gay
marriage then the State tax forms can be filed jointly. If the Feds do
not allow Gay marriage then the inverse is true. These are totally
different systems.
Spousal benefits... again... State and Federal are two different
systems.
On Feb 8, 8:11 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Should a married gay couple in Massachusetts have hospital visitation
> rights as a spouse, be able to file taxes jointly, and get spousal
> benefits upon death?
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> On Feb 8, 8:30 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Proposition 8, nor any of the other state initiatives that I am familiar
> > with, are not attempting to treat "different classes of people,
> > differently". What the legislation similar to Prop 8 and others are
> > attempting to do, is to prohibit individuals from carving out more rights,
> > additional privileges, "Special Rights" if you will, from State
> > Constitutions and State Code, that other individuals.
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> > Currently, any man or woman can marry any other man or woman that they so
> > choose to marry. No law prohibits that; e.g.; any man can go and marry
> > any woman, or any woman can go and marry any man, as is the definition of
> > "Marriage". What the militant, secularist Gay agenda is attempting to do,
> > is to carve out additional rights and privileges, by allowing certain
> > individuals to redefine "marriage", thereby giving special rights and
> > privileges to a few people who claim that they want to "marry" within their
> > gender. That's not marriage, from a legal standpoint, and it is clearly
> > not marriage, from an ecclesiastical standpoint.
> > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:39 PM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
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> > > Government has no business in the marriage issue.
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> > > You'll get no argument from me. A dem gave us DOMA, and n now they
> > > all spout about how terrible it is, and do NOTHING about it.
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> > > And yes, there are rights attached to marriage, from taxes to
> > > hospitals to death.
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