Re: The Stupid and the Dishonest Join the Attacks on Ron Paul

Actually, there really wasn't any
disagreement.
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MR would disallow those convicted of violent
crimes the ability to vote.

na, no disagreement

On Jan 17, 10:57 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No name calling there PlainOl.  Actually, there really wasn't any
> disagreement.  I too agree that ALL former convicted felons who have served
> their time, and paid a price for their purported transgressions, should not
> be disenfranchised.
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> Romney's only point, was that he would disallow those convicted of violent
> crimes the ability to vote.
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> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:23 AM, plainolamerican <plainolameri...@gmail.com
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> >http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9SAPED02%40news.ap.or...
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> > On Jan 17, 8:42 am, Keith In Tampa <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I love it when Crackpots fight amongst themselves.......It makes for good
> > > entertainment.
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> > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
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> > > > *The Stupid and the Dishonest Join the Attacks on Ron Paul
> > > > *by Thomas J. DiLorenzo
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> > > > Yet another neocon Republican establishment political hack has
> > > > demonstrated ignorance, deceit, and bad manners in yet another attack
> > on
> > > > Ron Paul. This time it is one Jeffrey Lord, a "contributing editor" to
> > *The
> > > > American Spectator *magazine. Writing in a January 15 article on the
> > > > Philly.com Web site, Lord feigns outrage over the fact that five years
> > ago
> > > > Ron Paul told NBC's "Meet the Press" that the Civil War was
> > unnecessary to
> > > > end slavery. Lord is being deceitful here by taking what Ron Paul said
> > out
> > > > of context. I remember Ron Paul's appearance on that show, and the
> > point he
> > > > was making was that all the rest of the world – the British, Spaniards,
> > > > French, Dutch, Danes, Swedes, the Northern states in the U.S. – ended
> > > > slavery *peacefully* in the nineteenth century. His point was that we
> > > > should have done what the British did, and used tax dollars to
> > purchase the
> > > > freedom of the slaves and then ended it forever. That, Said Ron Paul,
> > would
> > > > have been preferable to a war that ended up killing over 650,000
> > Americans
> > > > (850,000 according the the very latest historical research) while
> > > > destroying a large part of the U.S. economy. Lord is obviously
> > ignorant of
> > > > all of this history.
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> > > > Lord cites my book, *The Real Lincoln*<
> >http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761526463?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&l...>,
> > > > to feign additional outrage over the fact that I supposedly called
> > Lincoln
> > > > a "Dictator-President." He apparently suffered a case of the vapors
> > when he
> > > > discovered that Ron Paul listed *The Real Lincoln* as "recommended
> > > > reading" at the end of his own book, *Revolution: A Manifesto*<
> >https://www.amazon.com/dp/0446537527/ref=as_li_tf_til?tag=lewrockwell...>.
> > > > I don't ever recall ever using those exact words about Lincoln, but I
> > do
> > > > know that generations of historians have routinely referred to "the
> > Lincoln
> > > > dicatatorhip," although usually calling it a benign dictatorship. They
> > have
> > > > done this because of Lincoln's illegal suspension of Habeas Corpus, the
> > > > mass imprisonment of tens of thousands of Northern political
> > dissenters,
> > > > the shutting down of hundreds of opposition newspapers, the
> > deportation of
> > > > opposition member of Congress Clement L. Vallandigham, the rigging of
> > > > elections, and worse. (Read *Freedom Under Lincoln*<
> >http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0006BMC1I?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&l...>by
> > Dean Sprague; and
> > > > *Constitutional Problems Under Lincoln*<
> >http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/117587924X?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&l...>by
> > James Randall). Lord is obviously ignorant of these historical facts as
> > > > well.
>
> > > > Jeffrey Lord is simply lying when he writes that "[Ron] Paul shares
> > with
> > > > DiLorenzo the belief that the war was not fought over issues of Union
> > . .
> > > > ." That in fact is exactly what I have argued in my writings.
> > Southerners
> > > > (and most Northern newspaper editors as well, by the way) believed
> > that the
> > > > union was voluntary, that the states that ratified the Constitution
> > were
> > > > sovereign, and that they therefore had a right to join *or not join*
> > the
> > > > Union. Lincoln believed that the union was a compulsory union from
> > which
> > > > there could never under any circumstances be any escape, and that he
> > > > consequently had a right to wage total war on the civilian population
> > of
> > > > the South to "save the union." I have argued that Lincoln *destroyed*
> > the
> > > > American union of the founders, which was in fact a voluntary union.
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> > > > I have also quoted Lincoln himself as saying that his invasion of the
> > > > Southern states was not to free the slaves but to "save the union" by
> > > > destroying the right of secession. Lord expresses additional outrage
> > that I
> > > > have repeated Lincoln's own views in my writing, instead of the comic
> > book
> > > > version of history that he prefers, which says that Lincoln launched an
> > > > invasion to supposedly free the slaves. Of course, the
> > > > Republican-controlled U.S. Congress also announced to the world at the
> > > > beginning of the Civil War that the purpose of the war was not to
> > interfere
> > > > with slavery but to "save the union." Jeffrey Lord is obviously
> > ignorant of
> > > > this aspect of American history as well.
>
> > > > What's even worse, says Jeffrey Lord, many contributors to
> > > > LewRockwell.com, such as myself, "are no fans" of some of the more
> > > > notorious members of the neocon cabal such as "William F. Buckley, Jr.,
> > > > Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Mark Levin"!! To this I plead guilty.
> > Why,
> > > > even "Rick Santorum also makes the list" of political figures who have
> > been
> > > > criticized by people like myself on LewRockwell.com. Off with our
> > heads!
>
> > > > Jeffrey Lord also lies when he writes that "The Constitution, DiLorenzo
> > > > maintains, is a 'subversion' orchestrated by Founding Father Alexander
> > > > Hamilton to overthrow what DiLorenzo calls America's first
> > constitution –
> > > > the Articles of Confederation." First of all, I am hardly the first to
> > note
> > > > that the Constitution overthrew the Articles of Confederation. Scholars
> > > > have been saying this for more than 200 years, but Jeffrey Lord is of
> > > > course ignorant of this fact as well.
>
> > > > Secondly, I have never argued that Hamilton "orchestrated" the
> > > > Constitution as some kind of "subversion." Hamilton was essentially the
> > > > original neocon, who showed up at the constitutional convention
> > advocating
> > > > a permanent president who would appoint all state governors, who would
> > in
> > > > turn have veto power over all state legislation. He did not get his
> > way;
> > > > the Constitution did not create a king, nor did it allow for the
> > creation
> > > > of an interventionist, mercantilist, corporate welfare empire of the
> > sort
> > > > Hamilton desired. (It wouldn't be until the Lincoln administration that
> > > > that was achieved). Hamilton did invent the idea of "implied powers"
> > of the
> > > > Constitution, and was the first to make the expansive interpretations
> > of
> > > > the Welfare and Commerce Clauses of the Constitution that have been
> > used to
> > > > essentially destroy the ability of the Constitution to limit the
> > growth of
> > > > government. I explain the Hamiltonian subversion of the Constitution
> > that
> > > > took place for decades after Hamilton's death in my book, *Hamilton's
> > > > Curse*<
> >http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307382850?ie=UTF8&tag=lewrockwell&l...>.
>
> > > > Perhaps the most ridiculous part of Jeffrey Lord's rant is that he
> > invokes
> > > > the left-wing hate group known as the Southern Poverty Law Center
> > (SPLC) as
> > > > one of his "authorities" in criticizing Ron Paul (and me). The SPLC
> > > > espouses a communistic political philosophy and is so radical that it
> > holds
> > > > the confessed terrorist and murderer William Ayers up as a role model
> > for
> > > > children on its Web site, along with a woman named "Red Emma" Goldman,
> > a
> > > > twentieth-century communist who advocated the violent overthrow of the
> > U.S.
> > > > government in order to adopt communism in America. (Ayers admitted
> > setting
> > > > off bombs at the Capitol Building in Washington and at police stations
> > in
> > > > the 1960s, and recently told the *New York Times* that he wishes he had
> > > > set off even more bombs).
>
> > > > The *modus oprandi* of the SPLC is to publicly label any and all
> > critics
> > > > of its left-wing extremism as "haters" or somehow "linked to" hate
> > groups.
> > > > When the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C. sponsored a
> > > > public lecture on immigration policy, for example, the SPLC accused
> > AEI of
> > > > "mainstreaming hate." The scholars at AEI are all really KKK guys in
> > nice
> > > > suits, you see. When the TEA Party movement was formed as a response to
> > > > Obama's mad rush to socialism the SPLC issued a special report on the
> > > > movement that had the subtitle, "The Year in Hate." These are the
> > kinds of
> > > > people who Jeffrey Lord of *The American Spectator* magazine chooses to
> > > > associate himself with to assist him in his ignorant smears of Ron
> > Paul and
> > > > me.
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> > > >  http://lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo225.html
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