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Tuesday, July 5, 2011

It's Official: Obama's Stinkulus Package Was the Most Expensive Pile of Crap in History

doctorbulldog | 5 July, 2011 at 11:54 am | Categories: politics | URL: http://wp.me/p1NPg-7ep

Yeah, just like everything the little commie Obama does, it's freakin' historic:

Obama's Economists: 'Stimulus' Has Cost $278,000 per Job
The stimulus is now causing the economy to shed jobs.
Jeffrey H. Anderson - The Weekly Standard

When the Obama administration releases a report on the Friday before a long weekend, it's clearly not trying to draw attention to the report's contents. Sure enough, the "Seventh Quarterly Report" on the economic impact of the "stimulus," released on Friday, July 1, provides further evidence that President Obama's economic "stimulus" did very little, if anything, to stimulate the economy, and a whole lot to stimulate the debt.

The report was written by the White House's Council of Economic Advisors, a group of three economists who were all handpicked by Obama, and it chronicles the alleged success of the "stimulus" in adding or saving jobs. The council reports that, using "mainstream estimates of economic multipliers for the effects of fiscal stimulus" (which it describes as a "natural way to estimate the effects of" the legislation), the "stimulus" has added or saved just under 2.4 million jobs — whether private or public — at a cost (to date) of $666 billion. That's a cost to taxpayers of $278,000 per job.

In other words, the government could simply have cut a $100,000 check to everyone whose employment was allegedly made possible by the "stimulus," and taxpayers would have come out $427 billion ahead.

Furthermore, the council reports that, as of two quarters ago, the "stimulus" had added or saved just under 2.7 million jobs — or 288,000 more than it has now. In other words, over the past six months, the economy would have added or saved more jobs without the "stimulus" than it has with it. In comparison to how things would otherwise have been, the "stimulus" has been working in reverse over the past six months, causing the economy to shed jobs.

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Re: There is No First Amendment Without a Second Amendment.

Thanks.....very well written and I appreciate the reorientation into reality.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Mark <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

Read this....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

For wiki it is surprisingly accurate.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Sharon Fuentes <oneforentropy@gmail.com> wrote:

Mark was it that or so that we could call up a militia? Do you know which of the Federalist papers dicuss this issue? It seems some 20+yrs ago in poli-sci we discussed this in context of a Federalist paper. But old age stress and a lot crap has diluted my memory.

Thanks

S

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:50 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

Remember.... the Second amendment is in place not so we can repel
invaders whether home or national border... it is there so we can
protect ourselves from our own government.

On Jul 3, 8:33 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
> <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/stungunsandmace/> There
> is No First Amendment Without a Second
> Amendment.<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/there-is-no-first-a...>
> *Steve <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/stungunsandmace/>* |
> July 3, 2011 at 4:27 am | Tags: Alan
> Caruba<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=alan-caruba>,
> Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and
> Explosives<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco...>,
> Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear
> Arms<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=citizens-committee-for-th...>,
> Michael Bloomberg<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=michael-bloomberg>,
> Obama administration<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=obama-administration>,
> Second Amendment
> Foundation<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=second-amendment-foundation>,
> Second Amendment to the United States
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> Categories: Constitution <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?cat=29050>,
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>
> <http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/gunflash.gif>
>
> Like AMEX, Don 't Leave Home Without It.
>
> *A very timely reminder of just how and where we came from. And the
> Consequences of ever giving up your second amendment right. Happy 4th Of
> July, It's up to us to have many more. ~Steve~*
>
> *Reposted From Tea Party Nation.*
>
> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3355873%3ABlogPos...
>
> Posted by Alan Caruba<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/profile/AlanCaruba>on
> July 2, 2011 at 5:00pm
>
> Send Message <http://l/> View Alan Caruba's
> blog<http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/list?user=wo5vy0y6lr5s>
>
> By Alan Caruba
>
> When we celebrate the Fourth of July<http://www.history.com/topics/july-4th>,
> let's keep in mind that the first
> Americans<http://www.history.com/topics/states>won their independence
> from England with the force of arms. It was, in fact,
> a British effort in 1775 to confiscate military arms they believed were
> stored in Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts that sparked the war.
>
> The Founding Fathers were so aware of the need for an armed citizenry that,
> after ensuring freedom of religion, speech, press and the right to
> peacefully assemble in the First Amendment, the Second guaranteed their
> right to bear arms.
>
> Wherever authoritarian regimes were established in the last century, they
> took away this right and then proceeded to kill those deemed enemies of the
> state.
>
> At this point in American history, the Obama
> administration<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/obama-administration>constitutes
> a threat to the Constitution in general and the Second
> Amendment<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Co...>in
> particular.
> *More than 80,000,000 Americans are gun owners.*
>
> Two of the organizations that have been fighting to protect these rights are
> the Second Amendment
> Foundation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_Foundation>(SAF)
> and the Citizens
> Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear
> Arms<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Committee_for_the_Right_to_Keep...>(CCRKBA),
> both led by Alan M. Gottlieb. Three quarters of the SAF budget is
> devoted to defending rights pertaining to the ownership of guns and to carry
> them for self-defense.
>
> In March, the Huffington Post had an article titled "Obama Looking for Ways
> Around Congress on Gun
> Policy"<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_83...>by
> Sam Stein. "Faced with a Congress hostile to even slight restrictions
> of
> Second Amendment rights, the Obama administration is exploring potential
> changes to gun laws that can be secured strictly through executive action,
> administration officials, say."
>
> *Since then we have learned of a U.S. Alcohol, Tobacco and
> Firearms<http://www.atf.gov/>program, Fast and Furious, that actually
> facilitated the sale and transfer
> of guns to Mexico. How demented is that?*
>
> In May in my home state of New Jersey the SAF won a decision against
> officials for the deprivation of civil rights under the color of law when
> they had ruled that an applicant for a concealed carry permit had not
> demonstrated a "justifiable need" for it. In point of fact, the applicant,
> Philip Muller, had been kidnapped by members of a motorcycle gang who
> threatened to kill him. They had, however, grabbed the wrong man.
>
> Despite support by local and state police, action on his application was
> delayed for six months. Morris County Superior Court Judge David Ironson
> issued a directive that a permit should be granted. The case is still
> on-going with other plaintiffs that include a part-time sheriff's deputy, an
> applicant who carries large amounts of cash in his private business, and a
> civilian employee of the FBI with legitimate concerns of an attack from a
> radical Islamic group.
>
> Currently nearly thirty such cases have either been brought or joined by SAF
> to stop abuses of this most fundamental right of American citizens ranging
> from bans on interstate handgun sales, New York Mayor Michael
> Bloomberg<http://www.biography.com/articles/Michael-Bloomberg-16466704>'s
> imposition of a $340 fee for a permit to keep a handgun in one's home, and a
> Chicago ban on gun ranges open to the public. These cases cost between
> $60,000 and $80,000 each!
>
> *The greatest single threat to gun ownership right now is a United Nations
> "Small Arms Treaty" falsely identified as an "international arms control
> treaty" allegedly to fight terrorism."*
>
> "In reality," says Gottlieb, it is "a massive, global gun control scheme.
> It's a sham. It's a fraud." If the U.S., under the Obama administration and
> with the consent of the Senate, were to sign on to this treaty, it would
> nullify the Second Amendment.
>
> Suffice to say that the Obama administration wants to have the power to
> increase federal fees on guns and ammunition, to ban guns that are imported,
> to extend the waiting periods for permits, to ban the use of guns on all
> government property, and even to make it illegal if you own a gun and smoke!
>
> Americans do not have to "justify" gun ownership. It is guaranteed by the
> Second Amendment. The reality is that enemies of this fundamental rights
> continue to wage an assault on it.
>
> For information about SAF visithttp://www.saf.org/and CCRKBA athttp://www.ccrkba.org/.
>
> © Alan Caruba, 2011
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Fax Fantasy

Do you recall the remake of the movie, The Fly, done back in the
eighties? The script followed the attempts of a scientist to transmit
life forms via a pod type fax machine. Just for giggles, let's
fantasize that this technology became widely available. What actions
and consequences might we expect were this to become reality?

Ø Al Gore would immediately claim credit for the invention.

Ø Homeland Security would mandate that no one could fax themselves
while wearing shoes

Ø The federal government would require the completion of 27 pages of
forms prior to each faxing.

Ø Congress would immediately vote themselves a pay raise.

Ø The DMV would petition the state for additional funding to offset
the loss of revenue due to reduced vehicle purchases.

Ø Al Sharpton would decry that faxing somehow is discriminatory and
demand that 80% of all production jobs be given to folks classified as
minorities.

Ø GM would announce a new technology that will reduce the Watts per
hour usage and their product would be readily available by 2024. They
would call this new pod, The BOLT!

Ø A senator in Montana would add a provision to the defense budget
that would allocate 1.4 billion dollars to build, staff and maintain a
pod-processing center. This would be sufficient to handle the 112
individuals who entered the state during the prior year.

Ø Comcast, Cox and Verizon would all claim proprietary rights to the
transmission process and ask congress to exclude any competition.

Ø Congress would vote themselves another pay raise.

Ø Every city, county and state would implement a new tax on faxing.

Ø The senator from the great state of Washington would decry the lack
of airplane sales and request a federal subsidy so that Boeing could
continue to be profitable while producing absolutely nothing.

Ø Congress would allocate another 27 billion dollars to the postal
service

Ø A new cabinet level department would be established to monitor and
regulate faxing. An initial budget of 2.8 trillion dollars would be
required.

Ø Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, Congress will pass a 2700
page document into law stating that 3 of every 10 receiving pads be
designated as handicap only.

Ø McDonalds will be found guilty in a civil trial after an individual
claimed to have burned themselves with a hot beverage while being
faxed.

Ø Now that vehicle travel is substantially reduced, DOT will begin a
massive effort to fix the highways

Ø Al Gore will produce a documentary showing that fax transmissions
increase the methane output of cattle and will eventually lead to the
melting of the sun

Ø Congress will respond by voting themselves a pay raise

Ø The democrats will claim their party has enabled this new technology
while blaming the past presidency for delaying implementation

Ø The law firm of Count, Damonay and Suesomore will file a class
action lawsuit against Exxon on behalf of all shareholders who lost
money due to insufficient notice of impending bankruptcy.

Ø Congressional Democrats will propose renaming Reagan National
airport the Obama pod-processing center

Ø Barney Frank will deliver a nine-hour speech on the house floor
demanding an 80% tax surcharge on all employees working in pod
production. This will offset ever-increasing unemployment benefits.

Ø Congress will hold six months of closed-door meetings to address the
new immigration procedures. At conclusion of committee, nothing will
be done.

Ø Following a rigorous two and a half hour day, the president will
announce a six-week vacation for his family.

Ø The federal government will announce that private ownership of a pod
is not protected by the constitution and will require a one-month wait
and background check.

Ø Homeland Security will announce a "No FAX' list.

Ø And, of course, congress will vote themselves another pay raise!

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Interesting story of the breaking of the Nazi codes at Bletchley Park during WW II

http://ct.zdnet.com/clicks?t=896678638-d462aed909ea497499d687edebabffdf-bf&brand=ZDNET&s=5

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Well worth reading if you ever considered cloud computing services for storage

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/7-cloud-services-compared-how-much-control-do-you-give-up/3518?tag=nl.e539

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Re: The Real Meaning of the Fourth of July

.....as to them shall seem most likely
to effect their safety and happiness.

This means that if they want Sharia in their land... if they want stoning and beheading they have the right to institute it. They have the right to have a dictator until they find it no longer useful. They have the right to rebel. It does not give anyone from outside the right to impose a different system.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 7:17 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:

I think thats the whole point of the treatise.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,
deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.

Not jobs power or white marble offices; not birth right, philosohpy or
ideology.

THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED.

The great experiment. The jazz.

On Jul 4, 1:05 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gee MJ,
>
> This little treatise completely ignores the explanation and conditions
> for all men to be equal ie:
>
> That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,
> deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That
> whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it
> is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute
> new government, laying its foundation on such principles and
> organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely
> to effect their safety and happiness.
>
> On Jul 4, 10:15 am, MJ <micha...@america.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "The Declaration of Independence upended that age-old notion of rights. All men -- not just Americans -- have been endowed by God and nature, not government, with fundamental and unalienable rights. Governments are called into existence by the people -- and exist at their pleasure -- for one purpose: to protect the exercise of these inherent rights."The Real Meaning of the Fourth of JulybyJacob G. Hornberger, July 4, 2008
> > Contrary to popular myth, the men who signed the Declaration of Independence were not great Americans. Instead, they were great Englishmen. In fact, they were as much English citizens as Americans today are American citizens. It s easy to forget that the revolutionaries in 1776 were people who took up arms against their own government.
> > So how is it that these men are considered patriots? Well, the truth is that their government didn t consider them patriots at all. Their government considered them to be bad guys -- traitors, all of whom deserved to be hanged for treason.
> > Most of us consider the signers of the Declaration of Independence to be patriots because of their courage in taking a stand against the wrongdoing and tyranny of their own government, even risking their lives in the process.
> > Yet not even the patriotism and courage of these English citizens constitutes the foremost significance of the Fourth of July, any more than the military victory over their government s forces at Yorktown does.
> > Instead, the real significance of the Fourth of July lies in the expression of what is undoubtedly the most revolutionary political declaration in history: that man s rights are inherent, God-given, and natural and, thus, do not come from government.
> > Throughout history, people have believed that their rights come from government. Such being the case, people haven t objected whenever government officials infringed upon their rights. Since rights were considered to be government-bestowed privileges, the thinking went, why shouldn t government officials have the power to regulate or suspend such privileges at will?
> > The Declaration of Independence upended that age-old notion of rights. All men -- not just Americans -- have been endowed by God and nature, not government, with fundamental and unalienable rights. Governments are called into existence by the people -- and exist at their pleasure -- for one purpose: to protect the exercise of these inherent rights.
> > What happens if a government that people have established becomes a destroyer, rather than a protector, of their rights? The Declaration provides the answer: It is the right of the people to alter or even abolish their government and establish new government whose purpose is the protection, not the destruction, of people s rights and freedoms.
> > The Constitution and the Bill of Rights must be construed in light of that revolutionary statement of rights in the Declaration of Independence. The American people used the Constitution to bring the federal government into existence but also, simultaneously, they used that document to limit the government s powers to those expressly enumerated in the Constitution. With the Constitution, people limited the powers of their own government in a formal, structured way, with the aim of protecting their rights and freedoms from being infringed upon by that same government.
> > Why did Americans deem it desirable and necessary to limit the powers of the federal government? Because they feared the possibility that their new government would become like their former government against which they had had to take up arms. While they recognized the necessity for government -- as a means to protect their rights -- they also recognized that the federal government was the greatest threat to their rights. By severely limiting the powers of the federal government to those enumerated within the Constitution, the Framers intended to encase the federal government within a straitjacket.
> > Even that was not sufficient for the American people, however. As a condition for approving the Constitution, they demanded passage of the Bill of Rights, which emphasized two deeply held beliefs: (1) that the federal government, not some foreign entity, constitutes the greatest threat to the rights and liberties of the American people; and (2) that the enumeration of specific rights and liberties, both substantive and procedural, would better ensure their protection from federal infringement.
> > On the Fourth of July we celebrate the patriotism and courage of those English revolutionaries who were willing to pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor in defense of the most revolutionary declaration of rights in history -- that man s rights come from God and nature, not from government.http://www.fff.org/comment/com0807b.asp- Hide quoted text -
>
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Re: There is No First Amendment Without a Second Amendment.

Read this....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

For wiki it is surprisingly accurate.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Sharon Fuentes <oneforentropy@gmail.com> wrote:

Mark was it that or so that we could call up a militia? Do you know which of the Federalist papers dicuss this issue? It seems some 20+yrs ago in poli-sci we discussed this in context of a Federalist paper. But old age stress and a lot crap has diluted my memory.

Thanks

S

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:50 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE <markmkahle@gmail.com> wrote:

Remember.... the Second amendment is in place not so we can repel
invaders whether home or national border... it is there so we can
protect ourselves from our own government.

On Jul 3, 8:33 pm, Travis <baconl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> **
> <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/stungunsandmace/> There
> is No First Amendment Without a Second
> Amendment.<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/07/03/there-is-no-first-a...>
> *Steve <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/author/stungunsandmace/>* |
> July 3, 2011 at 4:27 am | Tags: Alan
> Caruba<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=alan-caruba>,
> Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and
> Explosives<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=bureau-of-alcohol-tobacco...>,
> Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear
> Arms<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=citizens-committee-for-th...>,
> Michael Bloomberg<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=michael-bloomberg>,
> Obama administration<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=obama-administration>,
> Second Amendment
> Foundation<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=second-amendment-foundation>,
> Second Amendment to the United States
> Constitution<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=second-amendment-to-the-u...>,
> United States <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?tag=united-states> |
> Categories: Constitution <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?cat=29050>,
> crime <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?cat=34945349>, Idiot Law
> Makers <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?cat=57323845>, Second
> Amendment <http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?cat=102988>, Tea
> Party<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/?cat=34918731>| URL:http://wp.me/pKuKY-7VU
>
> <http://fellowshipofminds.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/gunflash.gif>
>
> Like AMEX, Don 't Leave Home Without It.
>
> *A very timely reminder of just how and where we came from. And the
> Consequences of ever giving up your second amendment right. Happy 4th Of
> July, It's up to us to have many more. ~Steve~*
>
> *Reposted From Tea Party Nation.*
>
> http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/show?id=3355873%3ABlogPos...
>
> Posted by Alan Caruba<http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/profile/AlanCaruba>on
> July 2, 2011 at 5:00pm
>
> Send Message <http://l/> View Alan Caruba's
> blog<http://www.teapartynation.com/profiles/blog/list?user=wo5vy0y6lr5s>
>
> By Alan Caruba
>
> When we celebrate the Fourth of July<http://www.history.com/topics/july-4th>,
> let's keep in mind that the first
> Americans<http://www.history.com/topics/states>won their independence
> from England with the force of arms. It was, in fact,
> a British effort in 1775 to confiscate military arms they believed were
> stored in Lexington and Concord, Massachusetts that sparked the war.
>
> The Founding Fathers were so aware of the need for an armed citizenry that,
> after ensuring freedom of religion, speech, press and the right to
> peacefully assemble in the First Amendment, the Second guaranteed their
> right to bear arms.
>
> Wherever authoritarian regimes were established in the last century, they
> took away this right and then proceeded to kill those deemed enemies of the
> state.
>
> At this point in American history, the Obama
> administration<http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/obama-administration>constitutes
> a threat to the Constitution in general and the Second
> Amendment<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Co...>in
> particular.
> *More than 80,000,000 Americans are gun owners.*
>
> Two of the organizations that have been fighting to protect these rights are
> the Second Amendment
> Foundation<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_Foundation>(SAF)
> and the Citizens
> Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear
> Arms<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_Committee_for_the_Right_to_Keep...>(CCRKBA),
> both led by Alan M. Gottlieb. Three quarters of the SAF budget is
> devoted to defending rights pertaining to the ownership of guns and to carry
> them for self-defense.
>
> In March, the Huffington Post had an article titled "Obama Looking for Ways
> Around Congress on Gun
> Policy"<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/15/obama-gun-laws-congress_n_83...>by
> Sam Stein. "Faced with a Congress hostile to even slight restrictions
> of
> Second Amendment rights, the Obama administration is exploring potential
> changes to gun laws that can be secured strictly through executive action,
> administration officials, say."
>
> *Since then we have learned of a U.S. Alcohol, Tobacco and
> Firearms<http://www.atf.gov/>program, Fast and Furious, that actually
> facilitated the sale and transfer
> of guns to Mexico. How demented is that?*
>
> In May in my home state of New Jersey the SAF won a decision against
> officials for the deprivation of civil rights under the color of law when
> they had ruled that an applicant for a concealed carry permit had not
> demonstrated a "justifiable need" for it. In point of fact, the applicant,
> Philip Muller, had been kidnapped by members of a motorcycle gang who
> threatened to kill him. They had, however, grabbed the wrong man.
>
> Despite support by local and state police, action on his application was
> delayed for six months. Morris County Superior Court Judge David Ironson
> issued a directive that a permit should be granted. The case is still
> on-going with other plaintiffs that include a part-time sheriff's deputy, an
> applicant who carries large amounts of cash in his private business, and a
> civilian employee of the FBI with legitimate concerns of an attack from a
> radical Islamic group.
>
> Currently nearly thirty such cases have either been brought or joined by SAF
> to stop abuses of this most fundamental right of American citizens ranging
> from bans on interstate handgun sales, New York Mayor Michael
> Bloomberg<http://www.biography.com/articles/Michael-Bloomberg-16466704>'s
> imposition of a $340 fee for a permit to keep a handgun in one's home, and a
> Chicago ban on gun ranges open to the public. These cases cost between
> $60,000 and $80,000 each!
>
> *The greatest single threat to gun ownership right now is a United Nations
> "Small Arms Treaty" falsely identified as an "international arms control
> treaty" allegedly to fight terrorism."*
>
> "In reality," says Gottlieb, it is "a massive, global gun control scheme.
> It's a sham. It's a fraud." If the U.S., under the Obama administration and
> with the consent of the Senate, were to sign on to this treaty, it would
> nullify the Second Amendment.
>
> Suffice to say that the Obama administration wants to have the power to
> increase federal fees on guns and ammunition, to ban guns that are imported,
> to extend the waiting periods for permits, to ban the use of guns on all
> government property, and even to make it illegal if you own a gun and smoke!
>
> Americans do not have to "justify" gun ownership. It is guaranteed by the
> Second Amendment. The reality is that enemies of this fundamental rights
> continue to wage an assault on it.
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Re: God

On Jul 5, 11:07 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dig it!
>
> Well, lets see, the 3 big ones (not that that means shit), Judaism,
> Chistianity and Islam ALLWORSHIP THE SAME GOD!.

Wrong! Only one of them is Omnipotent! The God of
Christianity is Jesus. Jesus is the psyche of His Father.
An Omniscient being. He is NOT Omnipotent. He, as all
the legions, has immortality....

Only one Almighty God Greg. The God of Israel. Not
Islam. Don't insult HaShem....

Don't you see the hierarchy at work. That HaShem
orchestrated. The origin of Islam, Judaism, HaShem
and Allah..

500 years AD for Islam and Allah. A new comer in
the game between Lucifer and HaShem...

The were both hatched in Genesis 16 Islam, and 17,
Judaism. That's in your face realty....

OOFA..
Don't be an Ass hole Greg...
I'm from the Boston area also....
>
> Why let that little tidbit get in the way of a good war?
>
> On Jul 5, 10:21 am, HaShem Rules <01910infin...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 10:59 pm, Sharon Fuentes <oneforentr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I am a liberal that likes in God we trust on the dollar bill. Everytime I
> > > pay for something. I think....in God I trust that this currency will stay
> > > strong and that it quits sinking against the Euro. In fact I really don't
> > > care where the word God appears....It doesn't bother all of us.
>
> > It's hypocrisy to take God out of the Pledge of Alligence. Out of
> > Military funerals....etc. And keep it on our money. "Money is the
> > root of all evil". That's what God, or was it Jesus?Problem is the
> > worg 'God" is a generic "God". What God do you see on the
> > money?
>
> > If it said; "In Almighty God We Trust", then you'd know who that
> > God is, and that His name is HaShem....
>
> > OOFA...
> > All Mighty/Omniscient Allah..Isaiah 14:12...
> > verses
> > Almighty/Omnipotent HaShem....Genesis 16....
>
> > Wil the real Creator God, please stand up....
>
> > > > Will the real Creator God please stand up....?
>
> > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:22 PM, HaShem Rules <01910infin...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > > The Liberal half asses of Ass wholes want the word 'God' taken off,
> > > > and out, of everything
> > > > it's being used for...
>
> > > > What about the 'God' they trust in, on their money? When does that God
> > > > come off?
>
> > > > That 'God', is a generic God. It should say; "In Almighty God We
> > > > Trust"...
> > > > There is only one of those. All others are, at most, Omniscient. None
> > > > Omnipotent.
>
> > > > All Mighty/Omniscient Allah..
> > > > verses
> > > > Almighty/Omnipotent HaShem....
>
> > > > Will the real Creator God please stand up....?
>
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Re: God

On Jul 5, 9:49 am, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Good for you Luis. But you gotta admit it ain't the right screaming
> to remove our NATIONAL MOTTO, from our currency, are bitching about a
> Creche at City Hall at Christmas time, or deliberately rewriting the
> Pledge of Allegiance, publically, all the time. The Declaration too,
> recently. How bout stopping that?

And all it takes is one them, to complain. They take all the
fun out life. They dictate. "You vill du, vut ve say"....
All Socialists....dictators.....
>
> Now, if you're claiming that those are the whackjob extremists on the
> left, Bravo!
>
> We on the right deal with this shit all the time. We hear all the
> time of the"religious right", but NEVER the religious right, even
> while REVERENDS Jackson and Sharpton are running for president! Huh?
> The only Catholic priest ever in congress? Democrat! I go to church
> every Sunday, and the joint is packed. With liberal democrats. In
> fact, 2 of the most liberal states in the union (RI and MA), are the 2
> most Catholic states in the country! Kennedy's anyone?
>
> Mormons? They're conservative assholes, like Mitt Romney. Friggin
> kooks. Unless you're the democrat Senate Majority Leader from
> Nevada. Thats different!

Wow, "shit" and "assholes". I didn't think I could use words like
that on this group. I use PC words like mother fuhka, or mutha
fahka...

I want to get "cultural"; "Niggers and Spics and Muslims OH MY!
This ain't America anymore ToTo!"
>
> Religious conservatives hate gays, yet it was Massachusetts DEMOCRATS
> who went hissy when our courts ruled in favor of gay marriage, not
> republicans, and democrats who gave us both DADT and DOMA!

OOFA...
I composed this message in my email app. It has a spell checker.
"worg God?" I hate when I do that....
>
> On Jul 4, 10:23 am, luis zuverza <luis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I agree with Sharon. I am a lefty and have no problem and even support
> > In god we trust. This is a manufactured issue to smear the left.
> > What u.s.a. powers that be print on their diluted currency is of little
> > matter
> > And shud not distract us from bigger issues like fed autonomy, a run away
> > Federal government, illegal wars, or the rogue superpower that we
> > the citizens have allowed.
> > On Jul 3, 2011 8:59 PM, "Sharon Fuentes" <oneforentr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I am a liberal that likes in God we trust on the dollar bill. Everytime I
> > > pay for something. I think....in God I trust that this currency will stay
> > > strong and that it quits sinking against the Euro. In fact I really don't
> > > care where the word God appears....It doesn't bother all of us.
>
> > > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:22 PM, HaShem Rules <01910infin...@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
>
> > >> The Liberal half asses of Ass wholes want the word 'God' taken off,
> > >> and out, of everything
> > >> it's being used for...
>
> > >> What about the 'God' they trust in, on their money? When does that God
> > >> come off?
>
> > >> That 'God', is a generic God. It should say; "In Almighty God We
> > >> Trust"...
> > >> There is only one of those. All others are, at most, Omniscient. None
> > >> Omnipotent.
>
> > >> All Mighty/Omniscient Allah..
> > >> verses
> > >> Almighty/Omnipotent HaShem....
>
> > >> Will the real Creator God please stand up....?
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Re: God

Dig it!

Well, lets see, the 3 big ones (not that that means shit), Judaism,
Chistianity and Islam ALLWORSHIP THE SAME GOD!.

Why let that little tidbit get in the way of a good war?

On Jul 5, 10:21 am, HaShem Rules <01910infin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 10:59 pm, Sharon Fuentes <oneforentr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am a liberal that likes in God we trust on the dollar bill. Everytime I
> > pay for something. I think....in God I trust that this currency will stay
> > strong and that it quits sinking against the Euro. In fact I really don't
> > care where the word God appears....It doesn't bother all of us.
>
> It's hypocrisy to take God out of the Pledge of Alligence. Out of
> Military funerals....etc. And keep it on our money. "Money is the
> root of all evil". That's what God, or was it Jesus?Problem is the
> worg 'God" is a generic "God". What God do you see on the
> money?
>
> If it said; "In Almighty God We Trust", then you'd know who that
> God is, and that His name is HaShem....
>
> OOFA...
> All Mighty/Omniscient Allah..Isaiah 14:12...
> verses
> Almighty/Omnipotent HaShem....Genesis 16....
>
> Wil the real Creator God, please stand up....
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Will the real Creator God please stand up....?
>
> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:22 PM, HaShem Rules <01910infin...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > The Liberal half asses of Ass wholes want the word 'God' taken off,
> > > and out, of everything
> > > it's being used for...
>
> > > What about the 'God' they trust in, on their money? When does that God
> > > come off?
>
> > > That 'God', is a generic God. It should say; "In Almighty God We
> > > Trust"...
> > > There is only one of those. All others are, at most, Omniscient. None
> > > Omnipotent.
>
> > > All Mighty/Omniscient Allah..
> > > verses
> > > Almighty/Omnipotent HaShem....
>
> > > Will the real Creator God please stand up....?
>
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I see the NYT is starting to push Romney for the Republican candidate already just like they did McCain in 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/07/04/are-republicans-ready-now-for-a-mormon-president?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=thab1

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/us/politics/05romney.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha24

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Re: JP See the games of Yajuj & Majuj and get away from becoming their tools

Present crises lead us towards old age

Steps towards Stone Age

Elimination of Load shedding is not possible till 2011 while demand of power will be increased up to one Lac 30 thousand Mega Watt till 2030. It was told by the officials of WAPDA (Water and Power Development Authority) to the standing committee on water and power.

During present times as reported shortfall has gone up to 6700 Mega Watt and there is no city, town or village big & small where people are not deprived of Power from 10 to 18 hours by the scheduled or unscheduled load-shedding. The shortfall not only annoyed the people but it has also stopped the wheel of our industry where millions of Labour & skilled workers are becoming unemployed and they are forced to pass their life below the poverty line. The result is obvious that the people are protesting sometime & at some places peaceful and sometime violate which is natural outcome that people have been tensed & annoyed by the circumstances.

Beside power crisis there are several other issues like gas, water, high prices, health, education and unemployment etc which have gone beyond control. There is also load shedding of gas in various cities. If no power there is no water because pumps are operated by the power, the day to day hike in prices even of the basic commodities have gone far away from the approach of the masses. There are reports that people are forced by hunger to suicide or sell children which are the awful and most painful to quote. In TV shows there are lot of debates and anchors point out the situation of the state officers as well as producing services of painful events. Each & every leader who is elected by the people shows himself as intellectual and kind hearted mention further plans that it would be done so or this & that but nothing about the solution of prevailing circumstances. According to him everything is okay and going towards right direction. What a Joke. Is it not funny or to pull one's leg. Of course it is so because realities are different and they are denying.

Red more on our website enewspaper. URL

http://enewspaper.com.pk/?p=211

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Re: God

On Jul 3, 10:59 pm, Sharon Fuentes <oneforentr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am a liberal that likes in God we trust on the dollar bill. Everytime I
> pay for something. I think....in God I trust that this currency will stay
> strong and that it quits sinking against the Euro. In fact I really don't
> care where the word God appears....It doesn't bother all of us.

It's hypocrisy to take God out of the Pledge of Alligence. Out of
Military funerals....etc. And keep it on our money. "Money is the
root of all evil". That's what God, or was it Jesus?Problem is the
worg 'God" is a generic "God". What God do you see on the
money?

If it said; "In Almighty God We Trust", then you'd know who that
God is, and that His name is HaShem....

OOFA...
All Mighty/Omniscient Allah..Isaiah 14:12...
verses
Almighty/Omnipotent HaShem....Genesis 16....

Wil the real Creator God, please stand up....
>
> > Will the real Creator God please stand up....?

>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:22 PM, HaShem Rules <01910infin...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > The Liberal half asses of Ass wholes want the word 'God' taken off,
> > and out, of everything
> > it's being used for...
>
> > What about the 'God' they trust in, on their money? When does that God
> > come off?
>
> > That 'God', is a generic God. It should say; "In Almighty God We
> > Trust"...
> > There is only one of those. All others are, at most, Omniscient. None
> > Omnipotent.
>
> > All Mighty/Omniscient Allah..
> > verses
> > Almighty/Omnipotent HaShem....
>
> > Will the real Creator God please stand up....?
>
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Re: JP See the games of Yajuj & Majuj and get away from becoming their tools

Housing Facilities to Government Employees

By: Shuja ullah Khan

Soon after coming into existence of Pakistan, the honest authorities of that period chalked out plan immediately to build secretariats and houses for the employees for a period of 10 years so that all functions of the newly built state could be started. During ten years new a permanent policy had to be chalked out which could not yet been made and the constructions are still into existence as were built. There are several reasons behind this lapse and negligence. First and most important reason is that the honest Ministers and officers were either removed or transferred from one place to other while most of them passed away.

The new team never bother to follow the old policy rather they started working with their own choices and for certain vested interests. To look after and maintain the secretariat and the houses there are two attached departments of the Ministry of Housing & Works, one is Estate Office which allot the houses to government employees and maintain their record the other department is PWD which is responsible for maintenance, repairing, white wash, sewerage system, supply of water and power etc. For this purpose in each government colony there is an enquiry office of the above purpose but now a day's these are meant and working under the instructions of the parties whose workers and representatives can be seen in these offices. If any allotee goes to lodge complaint for anything he is informed that there is no budget or if he asks for a worker to repair something he is informed suck worker, may be Mason or electrician is gone on complaint who never comes back. But one can witness easily that such workers are busy in the quarters with such residents who either have affiliation with a party or paying him from his own pocket. Though there are lot of high officers but none of them bother to check, even an overseer or Assistant Engineer who is posted at enquiry office do not bother to attend office or check the working. There is budget allocated every year but spent to please high officials or the leaders of that area.

Please read this artical on the follow URL which is our website newspaper. Thanks

http://enewspaper.com.pk/?p=206

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Re: Do you get "TrueBlood" out in the hinterlands?

My daughter has me into it, and I worked out the theme song on the
guitar, because its cool

On Jul 2, 7:53 pm, Bruce Majors <majors.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://bruptcom.mysites.com/get_file/true-blood-s-04-e-02-you-smell.mov

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July 4th is a Scam

July 4th is a Scam
by James Altucher
July 2nd, 2011

The last time I visited my congressman (when I was 12 years old), he was both drunk and senile and I couldn't understand a word he said. His administrative assistant had to translate everything he said. And then he got re-elected four more times before finally dying. Did he really represent my interests?

I'm the most apolitical person I know. But I do like to think of things that can improve the country. Let's forget July 4th for a second, which was a war fought mainly between the values of the East India Company and the values of colonial tea smugglers that cost the lives of the children of 35,000 mothers. Note we tried to invade Canada twice to get them to help us but they would have none of it. Now they are our biggest supplier of oil. Go Canada!

Most importantly, lets not view the Constitution as gospel. Countries, people, systems, technology evolves. As they do, its important to see what from the past is good and what can be discarded.

I'm talking about the Legislative Branch in our system of checks and balances. It costs us billions a year, its fully corrupt, and is taking perhaps hundreds of billions of dollars out of our economy through inefficient allocations.

Time to Replace the Legislative Branch with Mass Internet Voting on the Issues

But don't we need it? Don't we need to Check the President? Of course! So lets YOU AND I do it!

I'm not going to rant. I hate blogger rants. So here it is:

1)      The Founders, who were all male, white, landowners, didn't trust the servants. Several were on record saying the servants (and certainly not women or slaves) should not vote since their votes would just go the way of the landowner. (Noted HBO star, John Adams said, "…men who are wholly destitute of property, are also too little acquainted with public affairs to form a right judgment, and too dependent upon other men to have a will of their own".) So they wanted to set up a system where even if the masses were against an issue, the landowners could force it through. Hence, Congress, since it was almost certain that a landowner (at that time) would have the means, money, and wherewithal to be elected (it's still true).

2) Congress was needed because information was slow to travel. Everyone had to be gathered in Washington DC to communicate with each other (there were no phones, telegraph, or Internet then) to get the information about laws that needed to be passed and then to vote. This is obviously no longer necessary since we now have the Internet.

3)      It wasn't until 1919 that people were even allowed to vote for their Senators (Senators were selected by state legislatures) so half of the legislative branch was two levels removed from the masses until recently anyway, ,which again shows the original inclinations of the Founding Fathers.

So what should we do:

1)      Get rid of the whole thing. Shut down Capitol Hill and make it a museum. Get rid of Congress and replace it by a true democracy. In a democracy we each have a vote and get to vote on the issues important to us.

2)      Every single citizen should have the right to directly vote on laws via the internet. Only 19% of Congress admitted reading the healthcare bill last year. Which is probably why the courts keep overturning parts of it and its hard to implement. So Congress is probably even less informed then the masses. Get all the information online. We'll vote directly from our homes, thank you. No help necessary by our Senators.

3)      How would laws get introduced? Most major legislation is introduced by the President anyway in his State of the Union address and then is put together by whoever his stooges are in Congress. Now people can submit laws based on a Digg-like system and the laws that are voted to the top are the ones we'll vote on. Chances are the President's suggestions would still rise to the top but instead of being voted on by a basket of his friends, it would be voted on by "We the People". In most cases, we don't really need new laws. The first law passed in 2011 was the "Polar Bear Delisting Act" that took polar bears off the endangered species list? Do you really need to spend billions of infrastructure to get that law on the table and passed.

4)      The President and Supreme Court are still there to provide checks and balances on anything outrageous. But my guess is this would get millions of people more involved in the political system than are currently involved.

5)      The costs of lobbying would go up astronomically. You no longer can just buy dinner and a prostitute for your local congressman to corrupt him. Now you'd have to spend tens of billions on TV and newspaper advertising/manipulation to convince the masses of a law. Would probably save those industries from extinction.

6)      The House & Senate costs tens of billions to maintain and they can hardly be considered to represent us anymore in an information age where access to all information on laws and bills are at our fingertips anyway. The legislative branch should be made up of you and me, not the incumbents that get elected year after year automagically.

7)   No more earmarks. No more deals for "bridges to nowhere" in exchange for "highways to hell". This will save billions in inefficiently allocated capital.

How much fun would this be? We'd all get to really vote. We don't currently live in a democracy, by definition. We live in a republic where we chose others to represent us on important issues. Heck, we don't even directly elect the president (hence the Electoral College). We elect electors by state and then they elect the President. Lets get rid of the electoral college and the state-by-state system -- no more chad votes where one State commissioner and a court decide a national election.

Two reasons:

1)   Why can't we all just directly elect the President? Why does it have to be state by state? There's only 4 states that aren't blue states or red states. So most people feel their vote is meaningless anyway because of the current system. Let's do away with it.

2)     Again, the electoral college was set up just in case the people went a little crazy. The electors could take charge and put someone in power more to their liking. Note that your elector doesn't have to vote for the person you think he has to vote for. He can vote for anyone he wants (example: in 1972, a Nixon elector voted for the Libertarian candidate).

On election day we can simply log into our web browsers. Go to vote.gov and cast our vote. Then add it all up (not by "state", but by human) and see who wins? Easy!

Finally, lets get to July 4th and the reasons we fought for "Independence". I put it in quotes because the majority of people still couldn't vote (so couldn't be considered independent) in the first 20 or so elections. (e.g. women, African-Americans). And after our "Independence" we genocided another 10 million Native Americans so I'm not sure what values make us so great but whatever.

It's just history:

A)     We supposedly were upset about taxation without representation. But the Stamp Act, the Sugar Tax, and the Townshend Acts were all repealed before the war even started. So all the things you read about in grade school were just wrong.

B)      Two things were happening: the East India Company was going bankrupt because prices on tea were being kept artificially high. So the Tea Act reduced the duties so that we would actually get CHEAPER TEA. But guess what: smugglers were already selling 900,000 lbs of tea (versus East India's 560,000 lbs) so they were pissed off! Hence they riled people up and organized the Boston Tea Party, which led to the Intolerable Acts, which led to every able-bodied 18 year old in the country invading Canada to get the British out. Canada promptly told us to get the hell out and the rest of the war was fought near our homes.

C)      Well what about our "values"? England got rid of slavery in all of its colonies in 1833 and allocated money to directly buy the slaves from slaveowners in every colony. 620,000 people died in the Civil War 30 years later. A war that would've been totally avoided if we had no Revolutionary War. And the only reason Lincoln freed the slaves was because we ("the North") were losing that war and needed help. That war was also fought over economics: the South wanted to control their own tariffs on the enormous amount of cotton being shipped abroad. So they seceded so the wealthier North wouldn't get to play with that money. Again, Britain would've just freed the slaves 30 years earlier than they would've been if we were still a colony or, by then, a commonwealth. (I'm summarizing 50 history textbooks so I'm sure there's room to criticize me but I'm largely correct here).

D)     Canada is still a commonwealth. Queen Eizabeth is their queen. Does it matter at all? Of course not! Canada avoided Iraq also. Politics is not only useless, it kills people.

Before people argue with me, this was not intended as a rant. It's good to question the institutions we hold dear. That's real checks and balances in an evolving world. Things get better when technology and information exchange get better. The Constitution no longer reflects the new reality.

A)     These institutions are never as dear as we think. The killing of 10 million Indians shows us that.

B)     With the Internet, information flows more freely. We don't need to be in DC to get information. We don't need to have people represent us. Instead of reading about Bristol Palin for a few minutes we can read about the laws important to us and vote on them. TRUE DEMOCRACY. Checks and balances would still exist even more strongly and a corrupt system ruled by lobbyists would be dead. Important laws could be passed more quickly. And the public could get better informed.

C)      With no electoral college, solves the problems that most votes in a Presidential election now are meaningless if you live in a solidly blue or red state.

D)    July 4th itself needs to be better understood. (We actually voted for independence on July 2, for instance). It wasn't about being "free". Nor was it really about "taxation without representation". The main act of rebellion (the Boston tea party) was about smugglers versus the East India Company.

After meeting with my Congressman when I was 12 years old my dad and I took a walk around Capitol Hill. My dad said, "boy he was crazy. Could you understand a word he said?" And I said no. My dad voted for him another four times.

http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2011/07/july-4th-is-a-scam/

Re: God

Good for you Luis. But you gotta admit it ain't the right screaming
to remove our NATIONAL MOTTO, from our currency, are bitching about a
Creche at City Hall at Christmas time, or deliberately rewriting the
Pledge of Allegiance, publically, all the time. The Declaration too,
recently. How bout stopping that?

Now, if you're claiming that those are the whackjob extremists on the
left, Bravo!

We on the right deal with this shit all the time. We hear all the
time of the"religious right", but NEVER the religious right, even
while REVERENDS Jackson and Sharpton are running for president! Huh?
The only Catholic priest ever in congress? Democrat! I go to church
every Sunday, and the joint is packed. With liberal democrats. In
fact, 2 of the most liberal states in the union (RI and MA), are the 2
most Catholic states in the country! Kennedy's anyone?

Mormons? They're conservative assholes, like Mitt Romney. Friggin
kooks. Unless you're the democrat Senate Majority Leader from
Nevada. Thats different!

Religious conservatives hate gays, yet it was Massachusetts DEMOCRATS
who went hissy when our courts ruled in favor of gay marriage, not
republicans, and democrats who gave us both DADT and DOMA!

On Jul 4, 10:23 am, luis zuverza <luis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with Sharon. I am a lefty and have no problem and even support
> In god we trust. This is a manufactured issue to smear the left.
> What u.s.a. powers that be print on their diluted currency is of little
> matter
> And shud not distract us from bigger issues like fed autonomy, a run away
> Federal government, illegal wars, or the rogue superpower that we
> the citizens have allowed.
> On Jul 3, 2011 8:59 PM, "Sharon Fuentes" <oneforentr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I am a liberal that likes in God we trust on the dollar bill. Everytime I
> > pay for something. I think....in God I trust that this currency will stay
> > strong and that it quits sinking against the Euro. In fact I really don't
> > care where the word God appears....It doesn't bother all of us.
>
> > On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:22 PM, HaShem Rules <01910infin...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> >> The Liberal half asses of Ass wholes want the word 'God' taken off,
> >> and out, of everything
> >> it's being used for...
>
> >> What about the 'God' they trust in, on their money? When does that God
> >> come off?
>
> >> That 'God', is a generic God. It should say; "In Almighty God We
> >> Trust"...
> >> There is only one of those. All others are, at most, Omniscient. None
> >> Omnipotent.
>
> >> All Mighty/Omniscient Allah..
> >> verses
> >> Almighty/Omnipotent HaShem....
>
> >> Will the real Creator God please stand up....?
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