Is this all a coincidence, a conspiracy theory (as the term is used to hide the real plan?) or it is the beginning of the third phase (smallest phase) of Dajjal, where he is formalizing is system before exposing himself as a messiah, and then as God? Decide yourself...
Saturday, January 8, 2011
Re: GAY RIGHTS
DOMA is very much Constitutional.
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The courts say otherwise.
But tell you what. If DOMA is constitutional, then why isn't the
Massachusetts law unconstitutional?
On Jan 8, 11:55 am, Keith In Köln <keithinta...@gmail.com> wrote:
> DOMA is very much Constitutional, This is where folks try and redefine the
> term and concept of marriage, which is a ecclisastical function. Tom and
> most militant Gays who wish to force their lifestyle down Americans'
> proverbial throats, (Note how Tom defined and described the term "Gay"
> above, yet a few days ago was attempting to claim that the term, "Gay" had
> nothing at all to do with sexuality) want to redefine the term and concept
> of marriage, in order to force their secularist beliefs upon the American
> public.
>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:27 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Tell the president. I did
>
> > On Jan 7, 9:22 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Yes, Greg.
>
> > > I believe that DOMA is indeed unconstitutuional.
>
> > > On 1/7/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Well Tom, you just echoed the court on why DOMA is unconstitutional.
> > > > It IS.
>
> > > > On Jan 7, 8:22 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Markie Mark-
>
> > > >> Your statements are naive and you are clearly uneducated.
>
> > > >> At the time the Constitution was written in the late 18th Century,
> > "gay"
> > > >> simply meant festive, happy, or beautiful, and the term had nothing to
> > do
> > > >> with sexuality whatsoever. Since the term did not refer to
> > same-gendered
> > > >> "friendship", which was the term used for same gender relationships at
> > > >> that
> > > >> time, the term "gay" does not exist in the Constitution at all, as the
> > > >> term
> > > >> as we now use it did not exist. In fact, in the 1780's, Sex was rarely
> > > >> ever
> > > >> discussed or mentioned at all outside of close private encounters
> > between
> > > >> "friends" and couples behind closed doors. The Constitution does,
> > however,
> > > >> state in the 14th amendment that discrimination against any citizen is
> > > >> unlawful: " All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
> > > >> subject to the jurisdiction <glossary.html#JURIS> thereof, are
> > citizens of
> > > >> the United States and of the State wherein they reside.( No ) State
> > shall
> > > >> make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or
> > immunities
> > > >> of
> > > >> citizens of the United States; nor shall any State
> > > >> deprive<glossary.html#DEPRIVE>any person of life, liberty, or
> > > >> property, without due
> > > >> process <consttop_duep.html> of law; nor deny to any person within its
> > > >> jurisdiction <glossary.html#JURIS> the equal protection of the laws."
> > > >> Therefore, the current unequal second calss citizen status of gays in
> > the
> > > >> United States is unlawful, unconstitutional, and discriminatory.
>
> > > >> So there you have it, Markie. I hope that this lesson in etymology and
> > the
> > > >> Constitution enlightens you somewhat.
>
> > > >> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE
> > > >> <markmka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > > >> > Tommy,
>
> > > >> > Please list all rights as enumerated in the Constitution that Gays
> > > >> > (etc) do not have.
>
> > > >> > You constantly harp about "RIGHTS" .... You never list them. Just
> > what
> > > >> > are those "Rights" that you feel are absent in your life that others
> > > >> > have.
>
> > > >> > Please DO NOT list "Privileges" or "Licenses" that can only be
> > granted
> > > >> > on a State level.
>
> > > >> > ONLY "Rights" are meant to be universal... The different
> > "privileges"
> > > >> > and "licenses" that are left to the "Several States" are not now
> > nor
> > > >> > were they ever meant to be, "Rights".
>
> > > >> > Each State is in itself "Sovereign" with local rules being that
> > which
> > > >> > makes a State attractive to one and repulsive to another. (I would
> > > >> > NEVER live in Texas)
>
> > > >> > Traffic laws, Domestic violence laws, noise laws, land use laws,
> > > >> > marriage/divorce laws, and even the death penalty laws ALL vary from
> > > >> > State to State because the "Several States" have the "Right" to make
> > > >> > it so. They must bow to to will of the people in that State as long
> > as
> > > >> > it does not interfere with one of the Federally Guaranteed and
> > > >> > Constitutionally enumerated "Rights".
>
> > > >> > Just which of your Constitutionally Guaranteed and Enumerated
> > "Rights"
> > > >> > are you lacking ??
>
> > > >> > I'll wait for the list and your personal explanation for each. Then
> > we
> > > >> > can discuss it.
>
> > > >> > I am anxiously awaiting your well thought-out and accurate
> > (remember,
> > > >> > Constitutionally Enumerated "Right") list to begin an earnest
> > > >> > discussion.
>
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Utah's $1.5 Billion Cyber-Security Center Under Way
Utah's $1.5 Billion Cyber-Security Center Under Way
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705363940/Utahs-15-billion-cyber-security-center-under-way.html
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705363940/Utahs-15-billion-cyber-security-center-under-way.html
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- Étienne de la Boétie
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This is my life. I make the rules.
"It is incredible how as soon as a people becomes subject, it promptly falls into such complete forgetfulness of its freedom that it can hardly be roused to the point of regaining it, obeying so easily and so willingly that one is led to say, on beholding such a situation, that this people has not so much lost its liberty as won its enslavement."
- Étienne de la Boétie
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So Congress Read The Constitution: Well, Isn’t That Special
So Congress Read The Constitution: Well, Isn't That Special
Marti Oakley (c)copyright 2011 All Rights Reserved
______________________________________________
"While this reading of America's most historical and profoundly important document was read, congress men and women chatted with one another and I believe a few might have napped."
_____________________________________________
I tried watching the swearing in of the new House for the 112th Congress. I couldn't stand it. Standing on the steps outside the House, was one of the greatest collections of career liars,thieves and thugs ever publicly assembled, sprinkled with a few new-comers who probably believe they are actually going to affect a change in the District of Criminals.
By the end of January, these newbies will have been thoroughly indoctrinated and will have had the law laid down to them about how things really work in the District. The newbies will resurface along about February with their talking points memo's in hand and will dutifully be spouting the party line and will have totally dismissed any notions they may have had about "changing" the way the District does business.
Next I tried to watch the changing of the Speaker of the House. In these moments I am always amazed at the ability of the players to stand in front of not only the House members, but the American public thanks to all the camera's present, and to deliver vacant and pointless speeches, the words of which sound like they should mean something….but really don't.
Nancy Pelosi had the gall to speak about defending the Constitution. This from a woman who has single-handedly violated the provisions of that document on so many occasions it is staggering. Now she thinks the Constitution should be defended. Apparently Ms. Pelosi suffers from some form of congressional Alzheimer's or maybe she just has selective memory.
John Boehner took the gavel as he assumed his new position as speaker and talked about "openness, transparency and honesty". Words I believe were taken from Obama's now infamous remarks during his campaign. Yeah…..I'll be looking for John to deliver on that one.
The grand coup' in all of this, the zinger meant to incite the public, to make the American people believe was a new day with new leadership that was really going to listen to the American people and a leadership that held the Constitution in high regard, promising to uphold it at all times …….was the reading of the Constitution on the floor of the House. While this reading of America's most historical and profoundly important document was read, congress men and women chatted with one another and I believe a few might have napped.
Not one congressmen, not the outgoing speaker or the incoming speaker, said one word about repealing any of the egregious assaults on Constitutional rights and protections that were contained in numerous pieces of legislation that they themselves, in many instances, voted to pass
Having watched these stage shows put on by both the House and Senate for more years than I care to admit, I was none-the-less taken back by the unmitigated gall, the phony posturing, the vacant speeches and remarks that were capped with the reading of the Constitution. Call me cynical, but I get the uneasy feeling this was some kind of insider joke. Maybe this is Congress's idea of fun. I don't know.
Here's what I do know: We have allowed ourselves repeatedly to be conned by people we elect to office. We believe the speeches and the declarations, but once they are in office, they forget who they work for. Or maybe they never had any intentions of working for us to begin with.
The truth of the matter is that no matter what their intentions, corporations, lobbyists and other forces that we are just now learning about pull the strings. The fact is, we are subsidizing a political body that has ceased to be anything other than the facilitators for corporate takeover of all parts of our lives while subjecting us to agreements with foreign governments, international bodies and foreign organizations, populated by people who have no interest in seeing this country thrive and survive.
My question is this: Why do we continue to pay them?
After all, if you look at the money trail attached to each and every bill you see that they all garner millions in funding from the corporations who run the government; a donation no doubt meant to influence their votes.
I did not hear the out going speaker or the new speaker make any mention of ending this influence buying by corporations, and it was never mentioned either before or after the reading of the Constitution.
Speeches and vacant promises aside, there will be no change in the District of Criminals. The only thing that has changed is "who holds the gavel".
Marti Oakley (c)copyright 2011 All Rights Reserved
______________________________________________
"While this reading of America's most historical and profoundly important document was read, congress men and women chatted with one another and I believe a few might have napped."
_____________________________________________
I tried watching the swearing in of the new House for the 112th Congress. I couldn't stand it. Standing on the steps outside the House, was one of the greatest collections of career liars,thieves and thugs ever publicly assembled, sprinkled with a few new-comers who probably believe they are actually going to affect a change in the District of Criminals.
By the end of January, these newbies will have been thoroughly indoctrinated and will have had the law laid down to them about how things really work in the District. The newbies will resurface along about February with their talking points memo's in hand and will dutifully be spouting the party line and will have totally dismissed any notions they may have had about "changing" the way the District does business.
Next I tried to watch the changing of the Speaker of the House. In these moments I am always amazed at the ability of the players to stand in front of not only the House members, but the American public thanks to all the camera's present, and to deliver vacant and pointless speeches, the words of which sound like they should mean something….but really don't.
Nancy Pelosi had the gall to speak about defending the Constitution. This from a woman who has single-handedly violated the provisions of that document on so many occasions it is staggering. Now she thinks the Constitution should be defended. Apparently Ms. Pelosi suffers from some form of congressional Alzheimer's or maybe she just has selective memory.
John Boehner took the gavel as he assumed his new position as speaker and talked about "openness, transparency and honesty". Words I believe were taken from Obama's now infamous remarks during his campaign. Yeah…..I'll be looking for John to deliver on that one.
The grand coup' in all of this, the zinger meant to incite the public, to make the American people believe was a new day with new leadership that was really going to listen to the American people and a leadership that held the Constitution in high regard, promising to uphold it at all times …….was the reading of the Constitution on the floor of the House. While this reading of America's most historical and profoundly important document was read, congress men and women chatted with one another and I believe a few might have napped.
Not one congressmen, not the outgoing speaker or the incoming speaker, said one word about repealing any of the egregious assaults on Constitutional rights and protections that were contained in numerous pieces of legislation that they themselves, in many instances, voted to pass
Having watched these stage shows put on by both the House and Senate for more years than I care to admit, I was none-the-less taken back by the unmitigated gall, the phony posturing, the vacant speeches and remarks that were capped with the reading of the Constitution. Call me cynical, but I get the uneasy feeling this was some kind of insider joke. Maybe this is Congress's idea of fun. I don't know.
Here's what I do know: We have allowed ourselves repeatedly to be conned by people we elect to office. We believe the speeches and the declarations, but once they are in office, they forget who they work for. Or maybe they never had any intentions of working for us to begin with.
The truth of the matter is that no matter what their intentions, corporations, lobbyists and other forces that we are just now learning about pull the strings. The fact is, we are subsidizing a political body that has ceased to be anything other than the facilitators for corporate takeover of all parts of our lives while subjecting us to agreements with foreign governments, international bodies and foreign organizations, populated by people who have no interest in seeing this country thrive and survive.
My question is this: Why do we continue to pay them?
After all, if you look at the money trail attached to each and every bill you see that they all garner millions in funding from the corporations who run the government; a donation no doubt meant to influence their votes.
I did not hear the out going speaker or the new speaker make any mention of ending this influence buying by corporations, and it was never mentioned either before or after the reading of the Constitution.
Speeches and vacant promises aside, there will be no change in the District of Criminals. The only thing that has changed is "who holds the gavel".
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"It is incredible how as soon as a people becomes subject, it promptly falls into such complete forgetfulness of its freedom that it can hardly be roused to the point of regaining it, obeying so easily and so willingly that one is led to say, on beholding such a situation, that this people has not so much lost its liberty as won its enslavement."
- Étienne de la Boétie
Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants. Learn the basics. Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers so you can get Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY. The best course available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.
I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government
Read the US Constitution
This is my life. I make the rules.
"It is incredible how as soon as a people becomes subject, it promptly falls into such complete forgetfulness of its freedom that it can hardly be roused to the point of regaining it, obeying so easily and so willingly that one is led to say, on beholding such a situation, that this people has not so much lost its liberty as won its enslavement."
- Étienne de la Boétie
Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants. Learn the basics. Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers so you can get Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY. The best course available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.
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Read the US Constitution
Religion of peace' launching 'ferocious' attacks
It was only six days after the 9/11 attacks that President Bush described Islam as a religion of peace, specifically saying, "Islam is peace," but the Religion of Peace website reports that for 2010, there were 1987 jihad attacks in 46 nations resulting in 9,175 deaths and 17,436 injured, according to a report from Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.
So analysts are expressing alarm that individual attacks on Christian churches are being replicated rapidly and appear to be reflecting a new wave of Islamists' war against any stability in the Middle East.
Recent al-Qaida attacks on Christians stretching from North Africa to the Middle East and Central Asia reveal a new terrorist initiative that not only attempts to eliminate remnants of existing non-Islamist religions but hits hard at "soft target" opportunities, such as praying Christians in Egypt, leaving security experts off-guard.
Analysts say the orchestrated attacks against Christians – from Egypt, Iraq and Nigeria to Russia's mostly Muslim North Caucasus of the Ingushetia region bordering Chechnya – initially were thought to be random.
However, the killing spree now is being viewed as a coordinated pattern of attacks representing a new and higher level of violence.
The Vatican had been expressing alarm for some time, with Pope Benedict XVI describing as "ferocious" the terrorist acts that were launched in October when some 58 Iraqis were killed and 78 wounded in an attack on the Syrian Catholic Cathedral of Baghdad.
The October attacks were an act of "unheard-of ferocity against defenseless people joined in prayer," said senior Vatican official Archbishop Carlo Marina Vigano at a recent general assembly meeting of Interpol in Doha, Qatar. Interpol, or the International Criminal Police Organization, helps facilitate police cooperation internationally.
Read more: 'Religion of peace' launching 'ferocious' attacks http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=248541#ixzz1ASzE6HWq
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So analysts are expressing alarm that individual attacks on Christian churches are being replicated rapidly and appear to be reflecting a new wave of Islamists' war against any stability in the Middle East.
Recent al-Qaida attacks on Christians stretching from North Africa to the Middle East and Central Asia reveal a new terrorist initiative that not only attempts to eliminate remnants of existing non-Islamist religions but hits hard at "soft target" opportunities, such as praying Christians in Egypt, leaving security experts off-guard.
Analysts say the orchestrated attacks against Christians – from Egypt, Iraq and Nigeria to Russia's mostly Muslim North Caucasus of the Ingushetia region bordering Chechnya – initially were thought to be random.
However, the killing spree now is being viewed as a coordinated pattern of attacks representing a new and higher level of violence.
The Vatican had been expressing alarm for some time, with Pope Benedict XVI describing as "ferocious" the terrorist acts that were launched in October when some 58 Iraqis were killed and 78 wounded in an attack on the Syrian Catholic Cathedral of Baghdad.
The October attacks were an act of "unheard-of ferocity against defenseless people joined in prayer," said senior Vatican official Archbishop Carlo Marina Vigano at a recent general assembly meeting of Interpol in Doha, Qatar. Interpol, or the International Criminal Police Organization, helps facilitate police cooperation internationally.
Read more: 'Religion of peace' launching 'ferocious' attacks http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=248541#ixzz1ASzE6HWq
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Let it Snow, but Clean it Up
One of the signature moments of the Bush administration came when the federal government failed to immediately react to the carnage caused by Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. As you'll remember, President Bush seemed lethargic about the death and destruction, and the media buried him because of his lackluster posture.
But we now know that the president could not have seized control of the situation because he was not asked in by then-Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco. Bush could have appeared more engaged in his public pronouncements, to be sure, but legally, he could not exert federal authority unless state authorities officially asked him to do so.
Now we have the great blizzard screw-up of 2010 in New York. The day after Christmas, a storm dropped about 20 inches of snow on the nation's largest city. That's spring break for places like Moscow, but in NYC, chaos almost immediately broke out.
Based on solid reporting by The New York Post and other media, it now appears that members of the city's sanitation union may have sabotaged snow removal because of anger about budget cuts and layoffs. More than 10 percent of sanitation workers called in sick the night they were most needed. Two adults died, and a baby was born in a vestibule and later died because emergency workers could not get through the snow.
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Obama Renews Commitment to Complete Destruction of the Middle Class - Meet the New Economic Death Squad
Obama Renews Commitment to Complete Destruction of the Middle Class - Meet the New Economic Death Squad
http://ampedstatus.com/obama-renews-commitment-to-complete-destruction-of-the-middle-class-meet-the-new-economic-death-squad
http://ampedstatus.com/obama-renews-commitment-to-complete-destruction-of-the-middle-class-meet-the-new-economic-death-squad
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- Étienne de la Boétie
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I Refuse To Comply With The Unconstitutional Demands Of The Federal Government
Read the US Constitution
This is my life. I make the rules.
"It is incredible how as soon as a people becomes subject, it promptly falls into such complete forgetfulness of its freedom that it can hardly be roused to the point of regaining it, obeying so easily and so willingly that one is led to say, on beholding such a situation, that this people has not so much lost its liberty as won its enslavement."
- Étienne de la Boétie
Our courts will never be fair and just again until we force the courts to follow their own rules. Do not allow yourself to be ruled by tyrants. Learn the basics. Learn how to control corrupt judges and crooked lawyers so you can get Justice! Learn to litigate: Buy and Study JURISDICTIONARY. The best course available for Pro Se and Pro Per litigants.
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Political Persecution At Its Worst In Small Town USA
Political Persecution At Its Worst In Small Town USA
By J.B. Williams
January 8, 2011
NewsWithViews.com
No laws were broken, there is no victim, there are no witnesses and there isn’t even any complainant… in short, there is no crime - yet two citizens have spent much of the last year being arrested, brutalized by law enforcement, by prison inmates and by the press, run through a corrupt criminal justice system operating on pure political vengeance and jailed. For them, the story isn’t over yet…
The tale of these two men can be summed up with a number of valid punch lines – political prisoners – soft tyranny and undeclared martial law come to mind. If you think it can’t happen here in the USA, or that it can’t happen to you – then you don’t know the story of Walter Fitzpatrick III and Darren Huff.
Fitzpatrick is a retired career Navy Lt. Commander who correctly believes that Barack Hussein Obama is the wrong man for the job of Commander-in-Chief. His opinion of Obama is shared by millions of Americans, though few are ready to charge Obama with acts of treason, as Fitzpatrick did in his small East Tennessee town almost two years ago now.
That effort resulted in uncovering years of crime and corruption within the Monroe County justice system, which became the new focus of Fitzpatrick’s ill-fated initiative to return at least his small town to ethical government, as least within the broken justice system.
Huff is a Georgia preacher who traveled to Tennessee in support of Fitzpatrick after learning of Fitzpatrick’s case on the Internet. As Fitzpatrick attempted to affect a legal citizen’s arrest on Gary Pettway, a career jury foreman in Monroe County, (note the legal problem with that term, career juror), a few supporters were in attendance, armed with nothing but video cameras to chronicle the event.
Fitzpatrick and Huff were both charged with crimes for attempting a citizen’s arrest of corrupt officials. Since then, both Fitzpatrick and Huff have been dragged through a corrupt criminal justice system and both remain under political persecution today.
Yet, when finally standing before a Monroe County Judge, charges for everything except “interrupting a meeting” were dropped, as no evidence against the men exists. They intended to interrupt the meeting that day, as that meeting was illegally convened. The only weapon present was a video camera.
There was no crime – there was no riot or attempt to incite riot – there were no victims – there is no evidence against these men – there was no threat of violence. Yet these two men remain stuck in a corrupt criminal justice nightmare and the real criminals continue to operate in Monroe County, unchallenged.
Fitzpatrick just finished serving his 60 day sentence for interrupting a meeting, in which he was trying to affect a citizen’s arrest of officials in that meeting. Huff appeared in Federal Court on January 4th, where the judge refused prosecutors’ request to revoke Huff’s bond and warned prosecutors not to waste the court’s time on frivolous pursuits.
Huff will go to trial in federal court on April 12th, facing charges that are based upon events that never actually happened in Monroe County and laws which do not apply. Huff did not storm the Monroe County courthouse with an AK-47. He was pulled over entering Monroe County, due to his Oath Keepers decal, and when asked by state police, made police aware that he did have an AK-47 in the tool box of his pickup - The proper and legal method of transporting a privately-owned rifle.
Charges against Huff are falsely based upon the Commerce Clause. However, Huff was not transporting weapons for sale or trade. He was transporting his personal weapon. Police let him go, with the AK-47 stored properly in the locked tool box of his truck. When Huff arrived at the court house, he was armed with only a video camera.
The small group interrupted a meeting, as they attempted to affect a citizen’s arrest of officials in that meeting. Tennessee has strong citizen arrest laws and Fitzpatrick was playing by the book.
The only show of force came from Monroe County Sheriff Bivens and deputies, who physically assaulted Fitzpatrick as they took him into custody.
The ongoing political persecution of both Fitzpatrick and Huff continues largely due to intentional misreporting by local news agencies. If you think it can’t happen to you, think again.
These men were convicted by the local press long before they ever entered a court house. To hear local reporters tell it, these two men make Charlie Manson look like the Pope, and Monroe County look like Ruby Ridge. Nothing could be further from the truth. Monroe County is more like Deliverance…but not due to Fitzpatrick or Huff.
According to reports from local legal defense offices, nearly 70% of the local community lives under direct court supervision and threat of terror, charged with a litany of minor offenses and local law enforcement is personally profiting from moonshine and meth lab operations, among other illegal activities.
But it is Fitzpatrick and Huff who remain entangled in the Tennessee criminal justice system, all as a direct result of pushing political interests that are highly unpopular with the current administration and its so-called Department of Justice.
It’s called soft tyranny, and political persecution. It has happened to them and it can happen to you. But who’s watching and what will anyone do about it?
© 2011 JB Williams - All Rights Reserved
By J.B. Williams
January 8, 2011
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No laws were broken, there is no victim, there are no witnesses and there isn’t even any complainant… in short, there is no crime - yet two citizens have spent much of the last year being arrested, brutalized by law enforcement, by prison inmates and by the press, run through a corrupt criminal justice system operating on pure political vengeance and jailed. For them, the story isn’t over yet…
The tale of these two men can be summed up with a number of valid punch lines – political prisoners – soft tyranny and undeclared martial law come to mind. If you think it can’t happen here in the USA, or that it can’t happen to you – then you don’t know the story of Walter Fitzpatrick III and Darren Huff.
Fitzpatrick is a retired career Navy Lt. Commander who correctly believes that Barack Hussein Obama is the wrong man for the job of Commander-in-Chief. His opinion of Obama is shared by millions of Americans, though few are ready to charge Obama with acts of treason, as Fitzpatrick did in his small East Tennessee town almost two years ago now.
That effort resulted in uncovering years of crime and corruption within the Monroe County justice system, which became the new focus of Fitzpatrick’s ill-fated initiative to return at least his small town to ethical government, as least within the broken justice system.
Huff is a Georgia preacher who traveled to Tennessee in support of Fitzpatrick after learning of Fitzpatrick’s case on the Internet. As Fitzpatrick attempted to affect a legal citizen’s arrest on Gary Pettway, a career jury foreman in Monroe County, (note the legal problem with that term, career juror), a few supporters were in attendance, armed with nothing but video cameras to chronicle the event.
Fitzpatrick and Huff were both charged with crimes for attempting a citizen’s arrest of corrupt officials. Since then, both Fitzpatrick and Huff have been dragged through a corrupt criminal justice system and both remain under political persecution today.
Yet, when finally standing before a Monroe County Judge, charges for everything except “interrupting a meeting” were dropped, as no evidence against the men exists. They intended to interrupt the meeting that day, as that meeting was illegally convened. The only weapon present was a video camera.
There was no crime – there was no riot or attempt to incite riot – there were no victims – there is no evidence against these men – there was no threat of violence. Yet these two men remain stuck in a corrupt criminal justice nightmare and the real criminals continue to operate in Monroe County, unchallenged.
Fitzpatrick just finished serving his 60 day sentence for interrupting a meeting, in which he was trying to affect a citizen’s arrest of officials in that meeting. Huff appeared in Federal Court on January 4th, where the judge refused prosecutors’ request to revoke Huff’s bond and warned prosecutors not to waste the court’s time on frivolous pursuits.
Huff will go to trial in federal court on April 12th, facing charges that are based upon events that never actually happened in Monroe County and laws which do not apply. Huff did not storm the Monroe County courthouse with an AK-47. He was pulled over entering Monroe County, due to his Oath Keepers decal, and when asked by state police, made police aware that he did have an AK-47 in the tool box of his pickup - The proper and legal method of transporting a privately-owned rifle.
Charges against Huff are falsely based upon the Commerce Clause. However, Huff was not transporting weapons for sale or trade. He was transporting his personal weapon. Police let him go, with the AK-47 stored properly in the locked tool box of his truck. When Huff arrived at the court house, he was armed with only a video camera.
The small group interrupted a meeting, as they attempted to affect a citizen’s arrest of officials in that meeting. Tennessee has strong citizen arrest laws and Fitzpatrick was playing by the book.
The only show of force came from Monroe County Sheriff Bivens and deputies, who physically assaulted Fitzpatrick as they took him into custody.
The ongoing political persecution of both Fitzpatrick and Huff continues largely due to intentional misreporting by local news agencies. If you think it can’t happen to you, think again.
These men were convicted by the local press long before they ever entered a court house. To hear local reporters tell it, these two men make Charlie Manson look like the Pope, and Monroe County look like Ruby Ridge. Nothing could be further from the truth. Monroe County is more like Deliverance…but not due to Fitzpatrick or Huff.
According to reports from local legal defense offices, nearly 70% of the local community lives under direct court supervision and threat of terror, charged with a litany of minor offenses and local law enforcement is personally profiting from moonshine and meth lab operations, among other illegal activities.
But it is Fitzpatrick and Huff who remain entangled in the Tennessee criminal justice system, all as a direct result of pushing political interests that are highly unpopular with the current administration and its so-called Department of Justice.
It’s called soft tyranny, and political persecution. It has happened to them and it can happen to you. But who’s watching and what will anyone do about it?
© 2011 JB Williams - All Rights Reserved
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Re: GAY RIGHTS
DOMA is very much Constitutional, This is where folks try and redefine the term and concept of marriage, which is a ecclisastical function. Tom and most militant Gays who wish to force their lifestyle down Americans' proverbial throats, (Note how Tom defined and described the term "Gay" above, yet a few days ago was attempting to claim that the term, "Gay" had nothing at all to do with sexuality) want to redefine the term and concept of marriage, in order to force their secularist beliefs upon the American public.
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:27 AM, GregfromBoston <greg.vincent@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tell the president. I did
> Yes, Greg.
>
> I believe that DOMA is indeed unconstitutuional.
>> On 1/7/11, GregfromBoston <greg.vinc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Well Tom, you just echoed the court on why DOMA is unconstitutional.
> > It IS.
>
> > On Jan 7, 8:22 pm, Tommy News <tommysn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Markie Mark-
>
> >> Your statements are naive and you are clearly uneducated.
>
> >> At the time the Constitution was written in the late 18th Century, "gay"
> >> simply meant festive, happy, or beautiful, and the term had nothing to do
> >> with sexuality whatsoever. Since the term did not refer to same-gendered
> >> "friendship", which was the term used for same gender relationships at
> >> that
> >> time, the term "gay" does not exist in the Constitution at all, as the
> >> term
> >> as we now use it did not exist. In fact, in the 1780's, Sex was rarely
> >> ever
> >> discussed or mentioned at all outside of close private encounters between
> >> "friends" and couples behind closed doors. The Constitution does, however,
> >> state in the 14th amendment that discrimination against any citizen is
> >> unlawful: " All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and
> >> subject to the jurisdiction <glossary.html#JURIS> thereof, are citizens of
> >> the United States and of the State wherein they reside.( No ) State shall
> >> make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities
> >> of
> >> citizens of the United States; nor shall any State
> >> deprive<glossary.html#DEPRIVE>any person of life, liberty, or
> >> property, without due
> >> process <consttop_duep.html> of law; nor deny to any person within its
> >> jurisdiction <glossary.html#JURIS> the equal protection of the laws."
> >> Therefore, the current unequal second calss citizen status of gays in the
> >> United States is unlawful, unconstitutional, and discriminatory.
>
> >> So there you have it, Markie. I hope that this lesson in etymology and the
> >> Constitution enlightens you somewhat.
>
> >> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE
> >> <markmka...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >> > Tommy,
>
> >> > Please list all rights as enumerated in the Constitution that Gays
> >> > (etc) do not have.
>
> >> > You constantly harp about "RIGHTS" .... You never list them. Just what
> >> > are those "Rights" that you feel are absent in your life that others
> >> > have.
>
> >> > Please DO NOT list "Privileges" or "Licenses" that can only be granted
> >> > on a State level.
>
> >> > ONLY "Rights" are meant to be universal... The different "privileges"
> >> > and "licenses" that are left to the "Several States" are not now nor
> >> > were they ever meant to be, "Rights".
>
> >> > Each State is in itself "Sovereign" with local rules being that which
> >> > makes a State attractive to one and repulsive to another. (I would
> >> > NEVER live in Texas)
>
> >> > Traffic laws, Domestic violence laws, noise laws, land use laws,
> >> > marriage/divorce laws, and even the death penalty laws ALL vary from
> >> > State to State because the "Several States" have the "Right" to make
> >> > it so. They must bow to to will of the people in that State as long as
> >> > it does not interfere with one of the Federally Guaranteed and
> >> > Constitutionally enumerated "Rights".
>
> >> > Just which of your Constitutionally Guaranteed and Enumerated "Rights"
> >> > are you lacking ??
>
> >> > I'll wait for the list and your personal explanation for each. Then we
> >> > can discuss it.
>
> >> > I am anxiously awaiting your well thought-out and accurate (remember,
> >> > Constitutionally Enumerated "Right") list to begin an earnest
> >> > discussion.
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Fwd: [I-S] CBS: Obama Eyeing Internet ID for Americans
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From: Scott J
From: Scott J
This baldly Orwellian idea is one way to make "fishy" utterances known
to the Feds, I guess. Okay, another test for the new GOP majority in
the House, then. Let's see if they stomp this with alacrity, or find
some sort of weasely compromise. They're off to a good start but this
sort of thing will keep on coming, and their fortitude will be sorely
tested.
(But I'm a little surprised that Obama wants to talk about "trusted
identity." Ahem, you mean like a birth certificate, hm?)
And: Given Gary Locke's ties to China, I'm not sure I'm more
comfortable with Commerce leading this, insofar as it is possible for
anyone with a shred of individualism in them to be comfortable with
the government doing such a thing.
In recent years, governmental overreaches of this sort tend to be
kicked to the curb once or twice, and then quietly slipped into law in
the next crisis. The similarly-aimed "Know Your Customer "
regulations which bind financial institutions to report transactions
to the Federal Government were originally promoted in the Clinton
years as an anti-drug-dealing initiative, and soundly rejected at
least twice that I recall. They ended up being approved in the wake
of 9/11 instead, tacked onto other "anti-terror" legislation. Your
bank rats on you now; it must.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20027837-501465.html
Obama Eyeing Internet ID for Americans
Posted by Declan McCullagh
STANFORD, Calif. - President Obama is planning to hand the U.S.
Commerce Department authority over a forthcoming cybersecurity effort
to create an Internet ID for Americans, a White House official said
here today.
It's "the absolute perfect spot in the U.S. government" to centralize
efforts toward creating an "identity ecosystem" for the Internet,
White House Cybersecurity Coordinator Howard Schmidt said.
That news, first reported by CNET, effectively pushes the department
to the forefront of the issue, beating out other potential candidates
including the National Security Agency and the Department of Homeland
Security. The move also is likely to please privacy and civil
liberties groups that have raised concerns in the past over the dual
roles of police and intelligence agencies.
The announcement came at an event today at the Stanford Institute for
Economic Policy Research, where U.S. Commerce Secretary Gary Locke and
Schmidt spoke.
The Obama administration is currently drafting what it's calling the
National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace, which Locke
said will be released by the president in the next few months. (An
early version was publicly released last summer.)
"We are not talking about a national ID card," Locke said at the
Stanford event. "We are not talking about a government-controlled
system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and
privacy and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize
a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital
identities."
The Commerce Department will be setting up a national program office
to work on this project, Locke said.
Details about the "trusted identity" project are unusually scarce.
Last year's announcement referenced a possible forthcoming smart card
or digital certificate that would prove that online users are who they
say they are. These digital IDs would be offered to consumers by
online vendors for financial transactions.
Schmidt stressed today that anonymity and pseudonymity will remain
possible on the Internet. "I don't have to get a credential if I don't
want to," he said. There's no chance that "a centralized database will
emerge," and "we need the private sector to lead the implementation of
this," he said.
Inter-agency rivalries to claim authority over cybersecurity have
exited ever since many responsibilities were centralized in the
Department of Homeland Security as part of its creation nine years
ago. Three years ago, proposals were were circulating in Washington to
transfer authority to the secretive NSA, which is part of the U.S.
Defense Department.
In March 2009, Rod Beckstrom, director of Homeland Security's National
Cybersecurity Center, resigned through a letter that gave a rare
public glimpse into the competition for budgetary dollars and
cybersecurity authority. Beckstrom said at the time that the NSA
"effectively controls DHS cyber efforts through detailees, technology
insertions," and has proposed moving some functions to the agency's
Fort Meade, Md., headquarters.
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Re: {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit
How I would save the country: Amendment XXVIII - Restoration of the Republic Amendment
by Vince Pac on Sunday, October 10, 2010 at 3:33pm
Amendment XXVIII - Restoration of the Republic Amendment
Section 1
The validity of the public debt of the United States, including government debts incurred for issuance, purchase, sale or resale, or repackaging, or reforming, or guaranteeing, or implicitly guaranteeing of real estate loans and post-secondary-level student loans and derivatives thereof including debt arising from the Government's interference with otherwise insolvent banks and organizations affected by such obligations , shall be questioned.All such directly incurred debt shall be disclaimed and all guarantees of such debt held by other parties shall be repudiated.
All such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void if owed by the Federal Government. The financial obligations of previously classified "Government Sponsored Enterprises" shall be assumed , by share, to the political parties of the campaigns of candidates employees of the GSEs donated, also by share, the obligations shall be born to all Non-Profit Organizations that the GSEs' foundations funded. Upon the disestablishment of a NPO, the successor NPO shall assume the previous NPOs obligation share.These debts were incurred in bad faith and constitute a Social-Contract-breaking crime under this Constitution and thus it is illegal for the Government of the People of the United States to honor such destructive disingenuous obligations.
Section 2.
The Article III definition of Treason shall be expanded to also include Conspiracies to render the Government of the United States insolvent by the abusive assumption or issuance of knowingly unpayable debt.
The Article I Section 6 Treason exception to the protection against arrest shall be extended to include this definition expansion.
Section 3.
Until the Federal Government of the United States pays off all debt or has a balanced budget for more than 10 years (whatever comes last), the city of Washington in the Federal District shall be named "Pelosi" afterwhich the name "Washington" can be restored.
Section 4.
Article I Section 8 shall be amended from
"The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"
Shall now read
"Restricted by the following enumeration, the Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"
Article I Section 8 shall be amended from
"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;"
shall now read
"To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and to encourage ,ease and constructively facilitate in the most limited sense, Commerce among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;"
Section 5
Article of Amendment XVI is hereby repealed
Article of Amendment XVII is hereby repealed. The restoration of the original rules will be by Class when that Class election normally occurs.
Section 6
The "Progressive Era" Amendments (excluding Amendment XIX) shall be regarded as a direct attack upon the Principles of the American Revolution and Self-Governance.
All schools shall teach their students that such ideas are anathema to the Republic of the United States of America.
Treason shall be expanded to included anyone who teaches a student otherwise
Section 7
The Federal Reserve System of the United States shall be abolished within one year of adoption of this Article of Amendment.All Federal Reserve Notes shall be redeemed by that amount of gold which shall be established by Congress and shall not be altered subsequent to the initial valuation.
Federal Reserve Notes shall be invalid for the tendering of any debt public or private two years after the adoption of this Article of Amendment
Any bank notes in the future shall be issued purely by private banks for non public purposes. The Congress of the United States has no authority to delegate matters of currency to any institution which shall do so by the issuance of notes or electronic equivilent of notes.
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Correa, Richard A Sr SGT RET <richard.correasr@us.army.mil> wrote:
Unless you are counting social security and medicare/medicaid I think that number is erroneous. As the CBO projects that social security, medicare/medicaid and interest on the national debt will consume every dollar raised by the federal government sometime in the 2020s or 2030s (don't remember specifically when but we can look it up) it is clear that the other entitlement programs take up a major portion of the budget. BTW, they are now 'projecting' that care for our returning veterans will cost 1+ Trillion dollars sometime in the next couple of decades. Not sure how rhey come to that but it is something to be concerned about, especially if they are using this as a reason to apply Obama-care to veterans.
----- Original Message -----
From: jeanie backus coates <taxpayersforjustice@gmail.com>
Date: Friday, January 7, 2011 23:50
Subject: Re: {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit
To: tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com
> Actually Fritz, I do not know where I originally found the number
> but it was
> some research I was doing....then in a recent conversation with an
> electedofficial from DC, she restated the same.
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Fritz < wrote:
>
> > *Jeanie: I think the analogy to personal finance is apt here. The
> > government must borrow for the same reason that we borrow (home mortgages
> > and credit cards): because we /they want things beyond our means. We want
> > homes and cars, the government wants wars, repair of natural disasters,
> > welfare state programs the public now expects. These are not bluff; they
> > are reality.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *Can you reduce your expenses by 50% in response to reduce income? I
> > think not. The government is no different. Just a wave of the hand that
> > dismisses most government expenditures as unconstitutional is the ostrich
> > approach and will not produce anything useful.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *It is time to stop being a protest movement folks, and to start
> > developing policy alternatives that will work in the environment of 2012,
> > even while we work for the environment of 1787.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *BTW Jeanie: The 64-67% number is interesting and useful. Where does it
> > come from?*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *Fritz*
> >> > tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *jeanie backus coates
> >
> >
> > * *
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:25 PM
> >
> > *To:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the answer, Fritz. I think we should call their bluff. Why
> > can't they cut the government by 50% when at least that much of what they
> > are spending is unconstitutional. 64 to 67% of our national debt is due to
> > entitlement programs and that is most definitely unconstitutional. I am not
> > talking about Social Security because that is or was supposed to be a
> > retirement plan that individuals paid into to guarantee them a way to
> > survive after retirement. It is a social program and we the People should
> > never have bought into it but we did so until we can get those who have
> > spent their lives paying into it and are now in or nearing retirement, we
> > must figure out a way to pay for it because it is the right thing to do.
> >
> > However, the welfare program is legal theft on behalf of the slothful by
> > our government and is a crime against the People that should end
> > immediately.
> > I guarantee you let them challenge the TPP to find the cuts and what do you
> > wanna bet, we can find them and with little notice from the taxpayers. Yes,
> > those that are living off of us will feel it but no one else. We should
> > challenge them to give us the chance to do it. I do have confidence in our
> > math skills and common sense....can't say that for elected officials so far.
> >
> > I like Brian's idea...that's a definite consideration.
> > Thanks Pat.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Fritz < wrote:
> >
> > *But 'pay as you go' is a nice slogan that doesn't address the problem. *
> >
> > *Fritz*
> >> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 3:31 PM
> >
> >
> > * *
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Majors
> >
> >
> > *To:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit
> >
> >
> >
> > I think it is the other way around
> >
> >
> >
> > borrowing causes government to expand
> >
> >
> >
> > pay as you go
> >
> >
> >
> > spend only what you have
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Fritz < wrote:
> >
> > *Because they must to remain solvent when during bad economic times when
> > revenues are reduced by less economic activity. It's been estimated that an
> > economy in recession can only provide revenues of about 14% of GDP, compared
> > to the ~30% now being expended. So, if borrowing is not allowed, government
> > would have to shrink by about 50% during a recession- which it cannot do.
> > Wars also cause expenses in excess of revenues and require borrowing.*
> >
> > *Fritz*
> >> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:13 AM
> >
> >
> > * *
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Majors
> > *To:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit
> >
> >
> >
> > why do I want the federal government to be able to borrow money?
> > Jeanie Coates> >
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Fritz t> wrote:
> >
> > *I think there are two reasons, Bruce. First, a repudiation of the
> > national debt would seriously jeopardize our financial standing in the world
> > and make it impossible to borrow money. That would put the US in the same
> > boat as Greece, Italy, Ireland, etc. Second, the national debt is only a
> > symptom of the problem we have. The problem is SPENDING. So rather than
> > spending time on financing schemes that would take the government off the
> > hook for past sins, we must concentrate on the real problem and decide how
> > to reduce federal spending. First reports suggest that Republicans of the
> > 112th Congress are poised to do just that. They will need all the support
> > they can get.*
> >
> > * *
> >
> > *Fritz*
> >
> >
> >
> > * *
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > tea-party-patriots@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bruce Majors
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:01 AM
> > *To:* DefeatLibs
> > *Subject:* {Tea Party Patriots} the debt limit
> >
> >
> > *Why don't tea partiers begin discussing repudiating and renegotiating
> > the national debt? Why should we continue to guarantee or pay our drunken
> > layabout thieving cousin's credit card bills? Why shouldn't we just
> > repudiate federal debt so no one will lend to the FedGov and many will sue
> > it and force it to try to raise taxes -- or privatize and sell off minerals,
> > lands, and buildings?*
> >
> > --
> > This group is created for discussing national issues to stop the current
> > administration from transforming this country into something not intended by
> > the founders. Any discussions that are not relevant to that topic will be
> > deleted.
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They Don't Like Black People -- Jay Rockefeller edition
Most journalists you see on NBC NPR etc live in 3 or 4 adjacent zip codes inside DC--DC is 55% blackThese zip codes look like thisHow can they have any credibility when they smear people as racist?On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Carl Spitzer <cwsiv@lote:>
Black people are just plantation drones to the globalists to help keep
the communist party in power.
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